User talk:Repton School

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I'm guessing you are surprised to find that your recent addition to the Foremark page has been hidden.(I resisted deleting it) This is because we don't who you are - we only know who you say you are. As you know these are not always the same thing. The web site that you cut and pasted the text from belongs to Foremarke School. They have a copyright message on it. I'm not sure why they do that - but presumably they intend it to have some relevance. If you arrange for that page to say "Creative Commons - attribution only" then you are free to copy it... although it is important not to plagiarise so attribution should happen. The other possibility is to re-use the facts and put them into your own words hopefully integrating them with other sources. Sorry if thats bureaucratic, but we do need ensure academic rigour :-) Victuallers (talk) 15:02, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

P.S. I think you were looking for Repton Preparatory School which was read 167 times so far this month? Victuallers (talk) 15:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi there - many thanks for getting in touch. This account has been set up to represent Repton and Foremarke Hall Schools, which both come under the same body of governance. Consequently, we own the copyright on the Foremarke Hall website (rather than it being plagiarised.) I appreciate you only know who we say we are - how do we go about proving this, to enable the edits (and corrections) of the pieces I edited this morning to be displayed?

Also, one of the most important reasons for the edits this morning was to ensure that the status of 'Foremarke Hall' was correct - that is the actual name of the School (not Repton Preparatory School), and is how the Hall itself has been best known in the past 100-or-so years. Consequently it is important that the Wikipedia article accurately reflects this, and the 'History of Foremarke Hall' from the www.foremarke.org.uk is the most accurate and relevant piece of writing on this subject.

I would be grateful for any help you could provide in ensuring that this is the case - if nothing else, it is important that 'Foremarke Hall', the School and business, can be identified accurately using Wikipedia.

Many thanks, Repton School (talk) 15:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Repton. The easiest way is if you to add a (creative commons license - attrib only) to your website and remove the copyright tag (not a good idea if you want people to talk about your school). This not only proves you are who you say you are (which I don't doubt but we have to be sure as next time it may be a wayward pupil who says he is the headmaster). I see that you say the school is named "Foremark Hall". I understand you may have decided this but can you see that from our point of view "Foremark Hall" is a good thing to associate with the building that you are in - and not a school that came a bit later. That building deserves (and had? an article. What I think you are saying is that you want to rename the article about you to be "Foremark Hall".... I can do this.

Well actually we will have to change the name of the article on your school to be "Foremark Hall (school)" as the building article has that name already. (and no we wouldnt rename that - Can you imagine that when the film "Mona Lisa" came out that we would allow a description of the film to replace the article on the painting? (rhetoric))

I'm willing to give you a bit of leaway, but if you want to reference your web site then please do reference it. I cannot control other editors. How long will you need to put a creartive commons license on your website? Could you please add your changes to the school article and not the Foremark Hall article whilst we wait. Hope you understand the logic. Victuallers (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Victuallers,

I have now inserted the following in the page from which I drew the text (http://foremarke.org.uk/history-of-foremarke ) - I trust this is sufficient? The text on this page is available for modification or reuse, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts, on the website www.wikipedia.com

As for the separate articles, while I can understand your argument, it is my firm belief that 'Foremarke Hall' (the additional 'e' on Foremarke is important) is best known as a school, and that all the information should be compiled under one article. Other articles (such as for Ranby House - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranby_House_School - which has a very similar history to Foremarke Hall) on similar subjects, with similarly important/impressive buildings hardly mention the buildings at all, as the school is the more important of the two aspects (to the public, not just to the pupils/parents/teachers of that school). I am not suggesting that this should be the case for the Foremarke Hall article, only that it is very important that searchers for 'Foremarke Hall' are left with no doubt that it is a high-achieving preparatory school, rather than just an old building.

Many thanks for your help,

Dale Bilson Repton School (talk) 14:46, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Dale, So you are who you say you are! The text is OK but should really be a Creative Commons license but thats a finesse. (The Repton ICT dept should be able to advise if they teach A level IT there). What I could suggest is that we rename the RepPrep article to be "Foremarke Hall, Repton Preparatory School". This means that if anyone types in Foremark Hall then this would come up. The other possibility is to have a disambiguation page (try typing "John Smith") but it is unusual to do this where there is only two uses. What you could also do is to add say a paragraph in the Hall acticle and write "" above it so people know where to look for more.

I'm impressed that you are avoiding peacock terms and Conflict of Interest as this can be a challenge for some Schools (They write "Willingbro' High, universally acknowledged as the finest ... etc"). You will need to add some reference eventually into your text. (If you search for the phrase then you might see how others have done that. Oh and final warning - do be prepared for your text be to be improved/ changed. Its a chaotic process but amaxingly it creates a very good encyclopedia. Hope that helps. I may "action" this proposal if I have timne later. 11:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)