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New England Patriots template
Why you erase all time the change # of 69 Kyle Hix and 26 Bret Lockett? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.92.224.218 (talk) 23:35, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

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...in this.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  21:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Yankees
Since I regularly keep an eye on the Yankees template, I took a look at the ESPN roster. There's a few problems with them: They still list it as the 2011 Yankees, they still have Scott Proctor on the roster, they list Reegie Corona as being on the 60 day DL. Probably best that we stick with MLB.com's version for now, simply because in this instance, ESPN isn't too reliable. My two cents. Hope it helps! Kjscotte34 (talk) 19:04, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Yankees Template
We can probably trust ESPN next year my wife even says so she cuts highlights there but we still have to adhere to the MLB.com team website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.148.11.85 (talk) 06:00, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Luke Patterson
For starters he was never 74, I have no idea where that came from and there is no source available for him having 74 and my request to Pats1 for a source went ignored. Second, last time there was this issue I understood the objection because 68 was taken, now it's not. I remember spending at least 30 minutes one day trying to locate something giving him 74 and couldn't, EVERYTHING came up with 68, he wasn't even 74 in college, so if nobody wants to accept 68 even though that is his number it should be "--" on the template--Rockchalk717 (talk) 19:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I found the source myself awhile ago. It was on the Chiefs' site. Their postseason media guide PDF said that he was #74 and Maneri was #68. The PR team just never updated the website. He probably still is #74. RevanFan (talk) 22:17, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I don't know why Pats1 didn't provide one on request.--Rockchalk717 (talk) 03:22, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

New York Giants
The source for Parker's jersey # is the team official twitter account: https://twitter.com/#!/Giants/status/190538417598238720 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.32.92.108 (talk) 03:07, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Dexter McCluster
Some keywords to show he's hasn't for sure moved to wide receiver: "for now he’s a wide receiver" "The Kansas City Chiefs had Dexter McCluster working out exclusively with the wide receivers in Monday OTA practice", Quote from McCluster himself "You know what, today I did some receiver and tomorrow I don’t know," which sounds to me like even he doesn't know if he's moving to receiving. He might workout at runningback maybe as receiver the point is nothing is set. I've gotten reverted several times for the exact thing you doing.-- Rockchalk 717 00:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Spencer Larsen
All the news articles about his signing refer to him as a FB/LB. Last year while he didn't get extensive play at LB he had five tackles. NFL.com has him as a Linebacker as well. Given that he has started as a LB for Denver LB should be included for him.--Conor Fallon (talk) 01:45, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Roster Numbers on PAtriots
Actually, I just found that out, I noticed on the Pats website they list people as 29 and 29b. Sorry bout that my man. Fresh Prince Carlton (talk) 02:10, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Douglas' #
Can you please tell me were you read that at and also if you know what McCants' new number will be.  Osi  tadinma  21:22, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I use that website all the time, but it has McCants at #71, which is Ojomo's number and he didn't switch, since the four guys who did, the team has already announced.  Osi  tadinma  21:34, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

June 1 cuts
It's about cap space, but they are still cut now. He's not a Cowboy anymore.► Chris Nelson Holla! 01:32, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Josh Bellamy
Hey man, just letting you know that I asked a Chiefs player (friend of mine) and he confirmed that Bellamy is back at receiver. This meshes with his jersey number (11), his twitter, the Chiefs' roster, etc. So combine the verifiable sources with what I was told if you can trust me, hopefully that's sufficient. Thanks!► Chris Nelson Holla! 18:08, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, his jersey number can't be #11 anymore. They gave it to Alex Smith. RevanFan (talk) 21:11, 15 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Ha okay. Regardless, he's still a receiver.► Chris Nelson Holla! 01:19, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Bills FB's
Coach Marrone has stated multiple times Gaskins, Smith will b RB's and that the only FB on the roster is Frank Summers. They've been flexing a lot of TE's into the HB/FB position during camp

Cameron Sheffield
yeah my bad, I thought he was released, as opposed to waived/injured. Edday1051 (talk) 03:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Exempt/Left Squad code
do you know the code for Exempt/Left Squad on the reserve list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mavbmf22 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:NFLplayer
Hi RevanFan. I just saw that you undid my edit to Template:NFLplayer, but I'm not sure why. What was it about the change that you didn't like? — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 17:24, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We've been doing it with the red links for years, and I don't see why it needs to be changed. If a player on the template warrants an article at some point, it makes it very easy to just follow the red link and get to the proper article for the player. It saves time. I just think we don't really need to remove the red links. RevanFan (talk) 17:34, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem is that there are quite a few red links that shouldn't become articles because they haven't passed WP:ATHLETE, and it's causing some drama. The thing that prompted me to make the edit was this thread at WP:AN. In this case, a new editor was trying to turn a lot of those red links into blue links, but it looks like a lot of their articles are going to be deleted for failing the notability guidelines. Ideally we would have the red links only for notable players, but that's not possible, of course. Perhaps we should discuss this at WT:AMF? — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 17:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If there were a way to black out the links during the preseason and add the red links back in the regular season, it would be ideal. A player on a 53-man roster meets the requirements for a Wikipedia article, and practice squad players are borderline. RevanFan (talk) 19:57, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That should be possible - let me know what dates the preseason lasts for, and I'll see if I can put some code together in the sandbox. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 20:03, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The first game is September 5, so September 4 would be a good date. RevanFan (talk) 20:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, so it finishes on September 4. When does it start? I'll need a starting date as well. (Also, you don't have to leave me reply notices, as I'm watching this page.) — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 06:20, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If you want the dates for each year, they vary, but a good estimate would be red link start date for September 1, end date for March 1, I guess. That way the red links cover the regular season and playoffs, and the links are blacked out for the offseason and preseason. RevanFan (talk) 08:27, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Denard Robinson
Denard has been playing running back in practice and preseason 95% of the time. He hasn't been lining up out wide because he needs to work on his hands and ball security. I think he should be listed under running back, followed by "RB/WR" and eventually "KR". ~ Richmond 96   T  •  C   04:06, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying, but what about quarterback? He is listed on the team depth chart as a quarterback as well. I know it is not official, but it usually is somewhat accurate. RevanFan (talk) 04:09, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that one is a bit confusing to me as well. I'm surprised they listed him under QB on the depth chart. I think he is basically the emergency QB, and would never go into a game in a normal situation except for wildcat. Personally I would not tag him as a QB. ~ Richmond 96   T  •  C   04:14, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If he's just the emergency quarterback, then I understand what you're saying. We don't tag Dez Bryant as a quarterback for Dallas. He's our emergency quarterback. RevanFan (talk) 04:24, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * From everything I have seen in practice and preseason, it should be the same situation. The only difference is that Denard plays wildcat, which of course doesn't make you a QB. ~ Richmond 96   T  •  C   04:28, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * P. S. I have to ask if you are a Dallas fan, how did you come about the username RevanFan? :) ~ Richmond 96   T  •  C   04:31, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The video game Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. The character Darth Revan. RevanFan (talk) 04:44, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

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Three people does not make a consensus especially considering one of the people you listed hasn't made an edit in over a year. My concerns about this, you could just be making a claim that this conversation happened even though it didn't actually happen (not saying you are). You claim there was consensus, even though its just 3 editors and more people are getting involved with Roster templates now so that doesn't qualify as a consensus, then you say you can't show me the consensus so one can only assume it never actually happened and I think most other editors (that are actually familiar with Wikipedia policies anyway) would agree there is so much that is not right about this. If a player's height, weight, position, birthday, etc. must match everything that is listed then it makes ZERO sense to not match experience, especially considering there are NFL rules defining it. Now I will say, I am ok with opening up the discussion on the project page since there is unfortunately no evidence for you to provide of this discussion, so I might as well assume (as well as other editors) it didn't even happen.-- Rockchalk 717 17:31, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I have no evidence because I forgot where the conversation took place. I know that it happened, but I understand if you won't believe me. And yes, three is not normally a lot, but at the time no one else was really editing the rosters. Anyway, I've made my case. We've done it that way for years, it fits well enough and is less confusing, so I feel it should stay. RevanFan (talk) 22:45, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Valid point, the average NFL fan doesn't know the NFL's definition of a rookie. Hell, I didn't even know what the NFL defined as a rookie until probably 6 or 7 years ago. After seeing it your way, I definitely understand you why you guys agreed on it. This is the exact reason why Wikipedia requires a consensus for disagreements. Sometimes it just takes seeing it from a different view point to reach one.-- Rockchalk 717 15:20, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Dez Bryant's UFA status
Can you clarify Bryant's UFA roster status? All the sources (here too) I've seen say the Cowboys applied the franchise tag of $12.82 million to keep him from becoming a UFA. Maybe he truly isn't on the "active roster" but he shouldn't be listed as a UFA that can freely talk and sign with another team, correct? ~ Dissident93  (talk) 04:13, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Tommie Campbell
A while ago, I added Tommie Campbell to the Jags' roster because he was still on the team's website despite my (our) belief that he was a UFA. That edit was reverted by you so I left it alone. Well, today the team released their preseason depth chart and Campbell was listed. He is also still listed on the team roster and there is an article on the team website dated August 6, 2015 that states "Cornerback Tommie Campbell had an interception off Henne late in practice.". Just wanted to let you know my reasoning behind adding him back to the roster. Thanks, ~ Richmond 96   T  •  C   23:46, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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Cowboys roster
Why did u remove all those players from the Cowboys roster that were on IR? 2605:6000:54C2:1F00:F45B:2D82:CF61:BFC8 (talk) 19:14, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Pending free agents
Hey, what source do u use for pending free agents (UFA, RFA and ERFA)? I found some for the Giants but it has conflicting info. Thnks. 2605:6000:54C2:1F00:7D6A:E7F9:37B8:75E8 (talk) 23:00, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Richard Ash
I didn't find an article or anything on Ash's re-signing, and I was hesitant to update his page, but I noticed he was listed on the Cowboy's roster page and I checked his contract on Spotrac.com and it said he is signed through 2018, plus he was an ERFA, so I usually assume they are re-signed by that team unless otherwise noted. I don't always trust the team roster pages, I mean they still have Justin Durant listed and he's a confirmed free agent, so I always look for contract and player info. I appreciate the concern about this, I keep track of all free agency signings, releases and every other transaction, so I'm glad someone else does to. I'll definitely keep an eye out to see if I hear anything about him and make sure he is in fact on the team. Thanks.Jrooster49 (talk) 20:45, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Atlanta Falcons
When we have an official (and usually definitive) source which has details you think don't make sense, you can't just pick and choose which pieces you like. You either accept the source as reliable, or you disregard it entirely. In that case, you have to have a different source. But above all, you cannot simply say "this doesn't make sense, so I'll make my own choices about what Wikipedia reports.". We aren't a primary source, we are a tertiary source. We report what others report and reference them. We don't attempt to make sense of contradictions, other than to report them. And we don't predict what teams will do, WP:CRYSTALBALL. Regards, Tarl N.  ( discuss ) 20:01, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand all that. I will freely admit I wasn't correct, and I was far too quick to act without doing enough research. I will continue to do research to find who is really going to wear what, but I won't make the edit until I have proof. RevanFan (talk) 22:39, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Tarl N.  ( discuss ) 04:13, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Editing rosters without editing the navboxes
I see you have recently edited Template:New York Yankees roster, and I thank you. However, I would like to point out that it would be appreciated if in the future you edit the navbox as well, since many article only contain the navbox. Boardg (talk) 03:46, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Andrew Dowell
Regarding this, I can't find anything saying he was waived with an injury settlement, only that he cleared waivers and was placed on IR. Do you have a source?  Eagles   24/7  (C)  02:00, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

McClain
Not too surprising, many reporters don't understand the intricacies of contracts. He was signed to a one-year contract in June 2016, but because his suspension started before the season, his contract year never actually started.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:28, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The Blackmon thing is true as well, as is R. Jay Soward and Tanard Jackson, but in the past we used to stop listing indefinitely-suspended players after a year or so.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. I don't know if we should stop including them? Really though, I don't have an issue with it either way. RevanFan (talk) 18:43, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * For Soward and Jackson, it's a little more difficult to prove they're still on their respective teams. Since one of the pillars of Wikipedia is verifiability, and there aren't reports out there that they were released or technically still under contract in the years since they were suspended, I don't really think we can include them on the roster templates.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  18:50, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Moving Minshew
I see you moved the article on Gardner Minshew to Gardner Minshew for various reasons. Shouldn't those reasons also apply to D. J. Chark? Chark's full name is DJ Chark Jr. and he uses Chark Jr. on his jersey same as Minshew uses Minshew II. DragonFury (talk) 08:13, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Done and done. DragonFury (talk) 08:22, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Gardner Minshew
The article title should be Gardner Minshew and not Gardner Minshew II, per WP:COMMONNAME and no reason to disambiguate it per WP:NATDIS. Don't just assume that because a person wants to be called something else, that we should automatic move their Wiki article. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 17:53, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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