User talk:RevelationDirect/Archive 2010

= 2010 =

Mt. Cuba Center
Mt. Cuba Center's legal name is Mt. Cuba Center how can I revert the article back to it's proper place? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fvsad (talk • contribs) 19:12, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Delaware Museum of Natural History
I felt like I could help you build out the list of museums a bit. Any chance you can get a picture of it? Help fleshing out the article would be great too of course. I'm not sure what the local papers which might have interesting tidbits would be. Thanks dm (talk) 18:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * done :) dm (talk) 01:36, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Feedback on "overcategorization"
Could you take a look at some of the other states up to Massachusetts (which I'm still working on) to give some feedback on possible overcategorization. I really tried to keep your comments in mind while cleaning them up. Also, if you could photograph any of the Delaware museum exteriors, that would be great. Thanks. dm (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your review and comments, they are much appreciated. I thought through your example and agree with your reasoning, so I fixed that.  To some degree, I expect to clean those types of situations up when I go through the "museums in the United States" cats.    Please take a look at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Museums, there are a number of interesting edge cases I'm looking for some input on, especially things like the Umbrella Cover Museum dm (talk) 17:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Broken Coords
Hi. I fixed several instances of on List of Guano Islands Act claims. E.g. from to. Would you mind if I made the same changes to User:RevelationDirect/Sandbox, to get it out of Category:Coord template needing repair?

By the way, I didn't check all the coords, so there may be others with the same sort of error. A coord with 82 seconds or 63 minutes has an obvious problem since their ranges are 0<=n<60. However, if a coord was given as 10°50′, it won't get flagged even if it should be 10.5° (=10°30′). Since the page has a, you can call up a map and go through the markers to see if any don't point to an island.

—WWoods (talk) 18:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Signs
You seem to be adding Category:Famous signs to articles that are not about signs. You also are adding see also information that is not appropriate. Consider Fremont Street Experience. What do Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas sign and Wendover Will have to do with the Fremont Street Experience? Vegaswikian (talk) 05:37, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the cleanup. I don't know if others need cleanup since I only did the ones on my watch list.  Time will hopefully clean any others up. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

JLC and LAWCHA
I saw your edits on Template:AFL-CIO. Neither of these are affiliates of the AFL-CIO. JLC is utterly independent, and works as much with Change To Win and independent unions as the AFL-CIO. It's the same for LAWCHA. Although both organizations have publicly stated that they intend to work with the AFL-CIO, they have also said they intend to work with CTW. - Tim1965 (talk)

John Desmond Bernal
You added JD Bernal to the category 'Stalin Peace Prize Recipients'.

There is no such prize it is called the 'Lenin Peace Prize'.

In fact 'Stalin Peace Prize' redirects to 'Lenin Peace Prize'.

I am unsure how to rename the category and redirect all those in the category to the correct page and would appreciate any help.

--Gramscis cousinTalkStalk 17:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Completion of Yellow Deli/Twelve Tribes Merger
Are you able to do this? Weaponbb7 (talk) 20:43, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Reply
I assumed you knew how to do that, will read through the Deli article see what needs keepin  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weaponbb7 (talk • contribs) 02:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Got all the useful information out of it maybe two sentences total, go ahead do the merge and redirect all request for "yellow deli" to the Twelve tribes page Weaponbb7 (talk) 04:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Category:Woolworth
Hi, could you please stop adding Category:Woolworth to articles about Woolworths Limited. Woolworths Limited is not related to the F. W. Woolworth Company in any way. --Richmeistertalk 06:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, Category:Woolworths Limited is much better. Cheers --Richmeistertalk 05:21, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, bonus question
Thanks for noticing my photo of the Grand Opera House (or is it the Grand Masonic Hall and Theater?). I've left a bonus question at Talk:Wilmington,_Delaware Any help appreciated. Smallbones (talk) 01:29, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've left a dozen or so Wilmington pix on the NRHP list - you might know how to better use them than I do. I'm (again) getting disgusted with the NRHP list organizationa and wil probably try to tackle it in a couple of weeks (after getting spring foto phever out of my system).  thanks in advance for any help.  Smallbones (talk) 04:47, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Paul R. Jones Collection of African American Art
An article that you have been involved in editing, Paul R. Jones Collection of African American Art, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Dystopos (talk) 17:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Affiliated unions of the Canadian Labour Congress
As the person who first made this page I disagree with the changes you have made to it. Removing large amounts of the unions because they are provincially based shows a vast lack of understanding of unions in Canada. Yes the shipyard workers of BC are a union based out of BC but they are still members of the Canadian Labour Congress. Not only national/international unions affiliate with the CLC. Also, a union that is affiliated with another union, for example the fish allied workers and the CAW, are still independent so they are independent members of the CLC not just members through the CAW. If you look at the links section of the CLC website you will see who they view as the membership. Finally, the Retirees' are also members of the CLC equal to any other union not just a "program of the federation." I hope you will change back the page to the original form seeing your changes are wrong but if not I will have the painstaking changes. whoneedspants (talk) 06:52, 8 March 2010.
 * Copied conversation to Talk:Affiliated unions of the Canadian Labour Congress Please follow it there. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Feedback request
at Talk:National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Wilmington,_Delaware

Thanks

Smallbones (talk) 20:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Overcategorization
When you added the category Ivy League to Cornell Big Red, you were overcategorizing. Cornell Big Red was already in the category Cornell University, which in turn is in the category Ivy League. Thus, by adding the Ivy League category directly to Cornell Big Red, you essentially double-categorized it. Please review WP:OC to refresh your understanding of overcategorization. Best,&mdash;Notyourbroom ( talk ) 04:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, on second glance, I may be applying Wikimedia Commons policy here. Let me see if English Wikipedia has a similar policy. &mdash;Notyourbroom ( talk ) 04:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes: see here. "Pages are not placed directly into every possible category, only into the most specific one in any branch. This means that if a page belongs to a subcategory of C (or a subcategory of a subcategory of C, and so on) then it is not normally placed directly into C." Sorry for the talk page clutter. &mdash;Notyourbroom ( talk ) 04:41, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

RE: National Iranian Oil Company
Hi RevelationDirect,

Your infobox is "BP centric". For this article, I would have opted for the "oil industry" template instead, where all major oil companies (including NIOC and BP) are listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.236.229 (talk) 08:46, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Vessels of BP
Hi, RevelationDirect. I have some concerns if it is correct to categorize Deepawater Horizon and Iolair as vessels of BP and to include these vessels in the BP template. Actually, BP has never owned these drilling rigs and in case of Iolair, it does not work for BP at the moment. I propose to remove these vessels from the BP template and categories. Beagel (talk) 16:21, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

BP Sponsorships
I note you've added Paul Morris Motorsport to the BP Sponsorships category, presumably because of Castrol branding on Greg Murphy's V8 Supercar. Castrol have sponsored many Australian racing teams, Holden Dealer Team, Holden Racing Team, Tony Longhurst Racing, Perkins Engineering, Stone Brothers Racing briefly, although they've been more strongly assocaited with Texaco via Caltex, the Geoghegan family racing team, I think Frank Matich, JPS Team BMW, I think Volvo Dealer Racingm Charlie O'Brien's NASCAR team, Alan Horsley's factory Mazda production car 12 Hour team that dominated the old Bathurst 12 Hour, Victor Bray etc. That's just Australia. You could add Team Lotus, I'm sure a whole bunch of other motor racing teams.

But why? Why is it a valid category to collect a bunch of motor racing teams that source some of their funding from a British owned petrochemical multinational? Is it really that notable or is it trivia or fancruft or WP:Overcategorization? --Falcadore (talk) 03:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * A corporate cat can be useful for readers interested in understanding what sporting and social activities a company supports. That being said, it looks like I got carried away with Paul Morris Motorsport because Castrol/BP only supports the one car not the overall topic and a number of other company sponsors are mentioned.


 * I removed the cat from that article.


 * Thanks for your feedback; I'm always happy to review any of my edits.RevelationDirect (talk) 10:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

1988 Goodyear NASCAR 500
Again, grouping sponsorships inappropriately into categories and template. How does a one-off sponsorship of an Australian NSACAR race, 22 years ago provide additional insight into Goodyear as a company? Beyond the title of the article, there is no mention of Goodyear in the contents. Don't add articles together in templates and categories, simply because you can. Think about why these articles should be connected together. If these reason is purely cosmetic, then don't do it. If the reason is because, in the instance of Goodyear, because it expands our understanding of Goodyear then good. Please I would ask you consider more carefully what your are doing and not contribute further into turning Wikipedia into one vast trivia resource. --Falcadore (talk) 02:13, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Falcadore,
 * As a tire company, Goodyear is very prominent in motorsports both as a sponsor and a supplier, something I expanded in the actual Goodyear article. Last time, when I incorrectly added a Cat to an article because it had a large number of sponsors and the company at issue was not primary, I promptly corrected my change.


 * But this case is different. Based, yes, on the title and the first of two sentences in the article, I'm assuming that Goodyear was the title sponsor.  The article is only two sentences long so there's not much to go on:


 * The Goodyear NASCAR 500 race was run at the Calder Park Thunderdome, Australia in 1988. Neil Bonnett won the race.


 * Based on your edit comment, "one insignificant race held on another continent is not sufficiently notab", it sounds like you question whether the article itself shouldn't be deleted as trivia. That's a valid point if it can't be expanded beyond a stub.  (Your edit comment also suggests that non-Australian companies should not be referenced in articles about Australia which may be less practical with so many global companies nowadays.)


 * For comparison, the Sprint Cup Series is in the Sprint Nextel category. Why would this article be treated differently?  Thanks,RevelationDirect (talk) 03:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Reformed Church in America not Dutch?
What's the justification for this category change? Sorry I only got around to noticing it due to someone else's diffusion. Is the Reformed Church in America a completely separate entity from the Dutch Reformed Church? We categorize the former under the latter. Daniel Case (talk) 15:44, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The Reformed Church in America (RCA) broke from the Dutch Reformed Church in 1819. The separation was not like the American Episcopal church under the Anglican Communion but a true split as an stand-alone church.  Therefore, the church in Kingston is now an RCA church but used to be a Dutch Reformed prior to 1819.  (The mother Dutch Reformed Church no longer exists so, really, there are no current Dutch Reformed churches anywhere.)


 * I put the RCA cat under the Dutch Refomred one because of the historical connection and because many RCA churches are still referred to coloquially as "Dutch Reformed". Based on your question though, this is just causing confusion so I updated the cats.RevelationDirect (talk) 03:30, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Historical societies
Hi, thank you for contacted me about understanding my categorization rationales. I was trying to organize the historical societies by state and link such categories within each state, so that people interested in a state's history or looking for local history organizations can more easily find them. While currently there may only be one article for a state, such as Delaware, I am sure there are other historical societies in such states and other articles that may be created in the future. Not all historical societies may be notable enough to warrant an article, but lists may be created for each state. I could easily see an article created like "List of historical societies in Delaware", like List of museums in Delaware.

In general, I believe category names should be consistent across a category, and thus "Historical societies in" ... allows for someone to easily find articles for a state of their choice. Also, I have linked the categories to organizations in each state and the history of that state, which can help someone looking for such an organization. I do not think the categories should be renamed, because if future articles are created for such categories, that would force another renaming. This way things are more consistent.

There are many historical societies in the United States, and I've looked at many websites for them. Some operate museums, but many just collect historic documents, photos, archives or artifacts, and some offer genealogical research. There is also a definite distinction between a museum and the historical society which runs the museum. The public may know the museum, but not the actual historical society name that runs it, or may be looking for information about a town and not be aware of a museum. Some historical societies also operate several museums or historic house museums. Each museum should be categorized separately, and the society as well, which should be linked to its community of focus.

I believe that historical society museums should be a subset of historical societies, not the other way around. I have linked them in that way. Jllm06 (talk) 18:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Philadelphia Aquarium‎ & Adventure Aquarium
Why should these aquariums point to each other in the See also section? One closed in 1962 and the other did not open until 1992. One is in PA and one is on NJ (granted, "just across the river" from each other) But they are about 3 miles and 30 years apart if my measurements and math are correct. If they have something in common warranting an entry in the See Also section, SHouldn't this be reflected in the text somehow (and cited)? Donlammers (talk) 23:47, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Donlammers,
 * These are the two aquariums (I don't like "aquaria") that both serve greater Philly so I thought readers of one would be likely to be interested in the other. I suppose I could create a city-based category like was done with Category:Aquaria in Paris but I didn't want to create a two-article cat with no room for growth, like was done with Category:Aquaria in Paris.  If you feel strongly about it--I don't--feel free to remove the links. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:14, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess the Brandywine Zoo could technically bring a city metro cat to 3 articles based on location but it's not drawing people from King of Prussia and Cherry hill. They're lucky if people drive across Wilmington and I say that as a member.RevelationDirect (talk) 00:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:John Deere
Category:John Deere, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:12, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Edward Thaddeus Barleycorn Barber is up for speedy deletion
You can help save it! Bab-a-lot (talk) 18:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The notability flag should probably be removed; the issue with the article is providing sources to back up the content. I'm having trouble finding sources online though. There is a recently published book (ISBN 1156987083) with a chapter on him but it's not in the 2 library systems I have access to. The challenge with Equatorial African articles is that there is almost no domestic publishing industry and the academic press that covers the country is usually not on the best seller list. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I feel that some of the info may have been added by myself from what I read on Google Books. Unfortunately, I didn't cite it when I entered it. And, now, going back trying to plug in key words in Google books I can't find the texts. For one, Google books as changed since I last used it. Also, I don't think that I found the text using key words directly relative to the Barbers, Barleycorns or Fernandinos. I think I may have come across the information searching for information about the Bubi people, using the various spellings of the ethnic group's name. I haven't had a chance to go back and plug in the ethnic group name variations, yet. It's also likely that I may have searched for information about Samuel Johnson, the British man his forefather Francis Barber was enslaved/indentured to. Information about this man might be available by contacting the University of Edinburgh in England where his studied.


 * Also, it's not that there aren't books available. It's that they are rare and poorly documented. Also, many of the texts have been destroyed by the current dictatorship EG. I wouldn't be surprised if they have even been trying to erase what's been available on the internet about EG colonial history as the post-colonial government has been on a quest to rewrite what really happened.  I'm going to keep looking. I know the info is there for citing. He and his relatives are indeed notable. Bab-a-lot (talk) 21:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)