User talk:Rggwiki

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I've added the "prod" template to the article [], suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Robin_Hood. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. DGG 05:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

how to improve it so it will stay
Dear Rggwiki-- The above text is standard, not personal. Had I not done it someone else would have in another few hours. If you put at the head of the page a tag saying people sometimes don't jump at you. Sorry, tho., and I've just added the tag. There have been a number of camps proposed lately, and none have survived deletion unless there can be some way to show that the camp is either notable among camps, or has something that will make it notable otherwise. As you mention, this is sometimes not easy. Since the camp has been going awhile, there is a possibility that some well known people may have been campers there once, or that the founder or later director may have been notable for other things. Descriptions of the camp program and the like do not suffice, unless there is something really different from other camp programs. You will notice that many of the camp articles in Wikipedia do have something of the sort. Often the affiliation with an important religious of civic group helps. By the way, what sport is newcomb? It's not in WP.DGG 05:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

this place
This place is weird, and there are several layers to it--the original people who started it, and then people who have been around a few months or more, like myself, who have gotten experience in the odd parts, and all the good new people like yourself. There's already tradition behind things--not all of it good, and you can learn a lot about interpersonal dynamics, & functional and dysfunctional features of organizations.

After the beginning in 01, a number of people uploaded lists of every railroad station and town in the United Kingdom, and every town in the US, and every subway station in a number of cities, and every numbered US and state highway, and so on. Then a great many people started adding their high school, and each individual chapter of their fraternity, and their teachers, and every album or individual song they owned or group they had heard, and the individual characters (and even the weapons) in every major and minor series or game, including the ones not yet released,  and this continues. This content gave the WP a reputation of being relatively trivial, and many people stayed away. As was pointed out, disk space keeps getting cheaper, and network transmission times faster, and there is no technical reason why every one of the several hundred million people in English-speaking countries (there are separate ones for other languages--they overlap) could not have an article written about them (and this has been seriously proposed). (there are separate ones for other languages--they overlap)

Since then there has been an attempt of many of the people here to prevent any more of the same, and a discussion about the possibility of getting rid of a lot of what there is. Thee are two camps,"inclusionists" and "exclusionists," though many people like myself vary by subject. There are long debates here to read about notability criteria for people, for books, for university professors, for high schools, for bands, etc., and every new one that is at all doubtful gets watched immediately and has to be fought over, with the decisions not necessarily consistent. I choose to be involved in some of the debates to protect my own favorite topics, and after you have been here a few months longer there is no reason why you shouldn't be. There is no prejudice whatsoever on account of age, and many of the most respected people here are high school students.

So I will not delete the article, but it will come up for discussion, and it will have to be defended. Do try to find out some former campers--the counselors there should know a few. Many camps--including my own--have some sort of former camper association & try to keep track. Yous has been around long enough that there should be. Do try in the meanwhile to condense the details, because they are more likely to harm than help.

And: the game you've been telling me about is undoubtedly described in some sort of book of games for children that phys ed teachers use--if you can find 1 or 2 printed or web sources (ask a few likely teachers), do an article on it.

What you've added about Giovanni Ceva is also a good thing to do--take one of the short stubs and expand it. But try to use more than 1 source, & list them all. There's quite a lot online. A word or two about WP style: short paragraphs of two or three sentences are preferred. Avoid the use of the word "you" not: "You can see" but "It can be seen." It should look like other articles here--a little impersonal.

I hope you don't mind my writing this out in full, but I think I may want to say this again sometime. --best wishes here--David G. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DGG (talk • contribs) 02:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

File:1521006-R1-034-15A.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:1521006-R1-034-15A.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted.  F ASTILYsock  (T ALK ) 07:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)