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Welcome to the 2024 WikiCup!
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Your GA nomination of Flaco (owl)
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Books & Bytes – Issue 60
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WikiCup 2024 February newsletter
The 2024 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with 135 participants. This is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2017.

Our current leader is newcomer, who has one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher) and 10 GAs and 12 DYKs mostly on New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures. Here are some more noteworthy scorers:


 * , with one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on Doom (2016 video game), one GA on Boundary Fire (2017), and 11 reviews;
 * , with one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on OneShot and one DYK;
 * , with five GAs and five DYKs on television and radio stations;
 * and, both with one FA and one DYK each.

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DYK for Flaco (owl)
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Proposed deletion of Flaco (owl)


The article Flaco (owl) has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Several issues with this article including that while significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article. Story on Flaco the owl is nothing more than a local, non-notabile news story with excessively detail. What the Flaco article demonstrates (and many other articles on New York City as well as other major metropolitan areas is Urban bias. The Pew Research Center report 'One-in-five U.S. newsroom employees live in New York, Los Angeles or D.C.' showcases 12 percent of all U.S. newsroom employees—reporters, editors, photographers, live in New York City while only 7 percent of the U.S. working-age population lives in New York City. The subject should be moved to a subheading in the Central Park Zoo article."

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 * It may be notable because of urban bias, but it's notable. If you're looking at that massive list of sources (not to mention the many published just in the last few weeks that aren't in the article yet) and conclude that it's not notable, I would urge you to recalibrate your understanding of WP:N. What is notable may be notable because of many various biases in the world, but they're notable nonetheless. If you see that it has significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject and still want to nominate it for deletion to make a point, that falls under WP:POINT. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 19:24, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * So give that you acknowledge its notability due to urban bias, just exactly what is your reason for creating it and with all its the trival details? Why are you not okay with moving the subject to the Central Park Zoo? It seems to me by doing so you are ignoring a problem as well as being part of the problem. Myotus (talk) 20:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Let's back up for a sec. The way I see it, there are three types/levels of systemic bias to think about. At the first level (which is only the "first" level insofar as it's a useful starting point) is the rules we create and apply to determine who/what should be included in Wikipedia. Let's put aside the distinction between "has its own article" and "is part of another article" for the time being. The basic concept boils down to "significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject". What that means and how it's applied varies a bit based on certain considerations but that's the gist. Another way to frame that is "the way we combine WP:V, WP:NPOV, the self-identification as an 'encyclopedia', and the possibility of everyone being allowed to edit". It's pretty fundamental to Wikipedia, but certainly a valid discussion to have, if for no other reason than to draw attention to the vast stretch of reality that exists outside of what we've decided to call "encyclopedic" and how that varies in the gray areas.
 * Moving on, though, the second level of systemic bias is everything external to Wikipedia: how we lack written "coverage" for most of written history; how everything before the printing press, before the computer, before the internet is less and less accessible; how we exclude oral history; how parts of the world with the resources to build vast publishing infrastructure will have more "coverage" about them than everywhere else such that leaders, artists, and writers in one country can have articles while leaders, artists, and writers of the same relative renown in another country cannot; or how publishing is primarily a for-profit enterprise that seeks to maximize eyeballs and appeals to the lowest common denominator, making things like sports and entertainment more visible than pottery and scientists.
 * The third level of systemic bias has to do with what selection of "notable" subjects we actually cover -- those that manage to get that external coverage and manage to get by our rules. This has a lot to do with who writes [English] Wikipedia. If we don't have volunteers who can read Finnish, our coverage of Finnish subjects will be poor; if most of our users are men, we wind up with excellent coverage of football and military topics but poor coverage of dance, poetry, and other "topics typically relevant to the lives women" (here I'm referring to some research which has framed the gender gap in these terms -- I'm not just arbitrarily sorting into "boy stuff" and "girl stuff"). Our gender gap is well studied and well documented at this point (with lots of great projects like Women in Red and Art+Feminism working to address it), but there are countless other content gaps that exist that we could cover but don't. This is IMO the primary way we should be "fixing the problem".
 * Coming back to the point: I read your criticism of the existence of the Flaco article as sitting primarily in level #2. #2 is not something we can help here on Wikipedia. Several people have floated or speculated about projects to publish material based on Wikipedia content gaps, but I haven't seen any materialize and they would all be external to Wikipedia anyway. The Wikimedia Foundation tried to fund organizations producing material on underrepresented people/subjects recently (the Knowledge Equity Fund) and met with a surprising amount of community pushback for being too out of scope. Our volunteers can and should try to write material that fills content gaps outside of Wikipedia for the sake of Wikipedia if they want to, but it's not something we can address internally. Our goal is to summarize what is out there. The national and international press has decided that this New York City subject is worth writing about. They have done so and made it notable. Not locally notable -- notable notable. If you want to find some little local restaurant sourced just to NYT, Eater, and Gothamist, there's a conversation to be had about audience, but Flaco just isn't a good example to make that point.
 * As for your accusation that I'm "part of the problem", I'm not going to apologize for writing about a subject that's both clearly notable and of personal interest to me. I don't seek out articles because they're popular. Most of the time when I take on a project it's because I go to Wikipedia to learn about something and don't find what I'm looking for (or find it in a poor state). Sometimes I seek out a subject based on a representation gap (in the pre-pandemic days when we ran lots of events with partners, our activities at WikiNYC were overwhelmingly oriented towards addressing content gaps and participation biases), but sometimes it's just what I think is interesting in the moment. In this case, it was an owl. One that attracted hordes of people, received a constant stream of widespread press attention, and apparently inspired a bunch of art and a forthcoming documentary. All pretty unusual for a zoo owl, no? But it's not important because it happened in NYC? &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 00:54, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for catching this. I thought it said "biography", not "bibliography". Mistakes happen, I guess! ‍ Relativity  21:33, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not an uncommon mistake, for what it's worth. :) &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 21:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2024 March newsletter
The first round of the 2024 WikiCup ended at 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February. Everyone with at least 30 points moved on to Round 2, the highest number of points required to advance to the second round since 2014. Due to a six-way tie for the 64th-place spot, 67 contestants have qualified for Round 2.

The following scorers in Round 1 all scored more than 300 points:


 * , who has 916 points mostly from one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher), 15 GAs, and 16 DYKs on a variety of topics including New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures, in addition to seven reviews
 * , who has 790 points from two FAs on Felix M. Warburg House and Doom (2016 video game), two GAs, one DYK, and 11 reviews
 * , who has 580 points from one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, two DYKs, and five reviews
 * , who has 420 points mostly from nine GAs and seven DYKs on television and radio stations
 * , who has 351 points from one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and three DYKs
 * , who has 345 points from one FA on OneShot, one DYK and two reviews

In this newsletter, the judges would like to pay a special tribute to, who unfortunately passed away this February. At the time of his death, he was the second-highest-scoring competitor. Outside the WikiCup, he had eight other featured articles, five A-class articles, eight other good articles, and two Four Awards. Vami also wrote an essay on completionism, a philosophy in which he deeply believed. If you can, please join us in honoring his memory by improving one of the articles on his to-do list.

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Books & Bytes – Issue 61
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Issue 61, January – February 2024 
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 * Proposal 14, initiated by, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
 * Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by and, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
 * Proposal 16e, initiated by, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
 * Proposal 17, initiated by, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
 * Proposal 18, initiated by, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
 * Proposal 24, initiated by, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
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