User talk:RichV/Archive

CMO link
If you think it is necessary, please add it in the "Notes" column. The links in the main chart are intended to be links to source charts.&mdash;Kww(talk) 21:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Crack the Shutters
Hi RichV. I've been noticing you for the past few days, doing one hell of a job on SP articles, expecially on the dutch wiki. I noticed you added a load of information on CTS, though you did not prove a reference(s). Please do, or anyone will revert your edits. The article needs a lot of work. And that is good info you provided. Suede67 (talk) 19:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Rocket
Hi. You wrote that Rocket is slated to be the next dutch single, after Planets' success in the tipparade. And you cited it as "universal NED letter". What does that mean? How to verify that? I found no mention of it on Universal's website. Do you have a better ref? I've hidden your text with a comment for now, until there's more info, hope that is okay with you. Suede67 (talk) 09:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant the Dutch newsletter, I got in my mailbox. I don't know how i can use that as reference. I also looked at the website of Universal but no luck. Btw, Planets failed to reach the Top 40, it's out the tipparade. :( RichV (talk) 21:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * By newsletter you mean an email? If yes, I really have no idea how to cite this! Perhaps you could ask another user, who you might have come across who does great editing? I have some interviews of the band members in mp3 format. I am sure I can use this info to cite on wiki, but dont know how. It's complicated. Btw, if the newsletter is a magazine, we CAN cite it. It's possible. We can mention the page no, issue no etc. And yes, Planets out of the Tipparade, its a shame! I was really hoping it'd reach the Top 40, it was climbling slowly and stedily for weeks, it' sad. Suede67 (talk) 21:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * By email, the official Universal alternative newsletter. I knew it was possible with magazine, I've seen it a lot at Wikipedia. I was hoping that the Pinkpop performance of SP was fueling the sales and airplay of Planets, but the sales of Shutters were increasing. I slow climb of three places in a week isn't really a good sign and I knew last week that it wasn't going to make it. It's strange, sometimes the radiostations love SP, and sometimes not. Just take a look at the chart positions at the Dutch SP page. Really strange. RichV (talk) 22:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I did notice that too, CTS reappeared on the Single Top 100 chart, whereas Planets was only on the Tipparade. I hear you totally. Again, i'm not sure we can cite an email, but when you say it was from Universal Music themselves, I would guess we can, as its official and everyone who subscribes it got it. Just add the date/time in the ref, i'd say. Not sure if its allowed, but lets put it in there, ok? I'm removing the comment I made to your edit and doing a copy edit to match the tome of the sentence with the rest of the article. Please edit the ref with as much info about the email as you can. Suede67 (talk) 22:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I have to go now, Rich, I'll see you later! Suede67 (talk) 22:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Rocket next Dutch single
I found a link! here. I used this to cite the information. You were right! Will you please keep track of this, and let me know when a tracklisting is announced? Any Cd release, any news, charting? I dont know dutch, and i use a translator to know whats written on dutch pages. And its not even accurate. Thanks. Suede67 (talk) 22:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Great that you've found a link, I'm going to intergrate it in the Dutch article too. I will keep you notified about any further information. PS: Yay, my internet is working again! RichV (talk) 13:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice!! Hopefully it will chart this time! And if you get any onfo on where exactly the secret gig is to be held, let me know. As this info has to be included in the tour article. And i just finished making a timeline, you could add this as well on the dutch page Snow Patrol. Suede67 (talk) 13:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to revamp the SP wiki so when I'm done with that, I will add the time line as well. I'm going to search more information on the secret gig tonight. I hope we can work together on increasing and improve the SP articles. RichV (talk) 13:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure!!! I sometimes get tired of being the "last ever lone gunman" ;) See ya! Suede67 (talk) 13:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

!!!!!!
Awesome!!! It's brilliant!!! If you can spare time in the future, will you take a bit of care of the English SP article as well? I'm busy myself with the singles, see i edited much to Signal Fire today & yesterday. Suede67 (talk) 18:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Translation needed!
Please read these 2 pages : this and this. Both in dutch. Is there any reference to the location of the gig? I only understood that its a secret gig, as a part of BNN's "That's Live". If we find the location, perhaps we can find a better reference as there might have been a gig review. Suede67 (talk) 13:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've read them and there's not a clue of the location of the secret gig. RichV (talk) 15:18, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Damn. Any news about the single release? Any date? Suede67 (talk) 15:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The only information I could find, is that the promo-cd was released on april 27, 2009 with the radio mix on it. It's hard to find Dutch releasedates. RichV (talk) 15:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: I was looking on the Dutch iTunes page and I don't know if you got iTunes, but there are some odd downloads. Like Signal Fire (Hit Pac) - EP with "Signal Fire", "Open Your Eyes" and "Chasing Cars". There's also a Open Your Eyes / I Am an Astronaut EP.
 * Pormo cd i see. Anyway, i have seen the hit-pac before. i'll try find more info on that. and open your eyes/i am an astronaut was the normal cd single (i think). i'll probably get around researching all this when i reach the "open your eyes" article. Suede67 (talk) 17:43, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Secret gig location

 * Yes, I did see it earlier! Thanks though, I have added this here, under the side-shows. I didnt add the broadcast details, as i feel it'll be too much uneeded detail. Suede67 (talk) 22:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Battlefield (album)
I reverted your recent edit to Battlefield (album) because T-Pain produced the song "Watch You Go" which appears on the album, (Lil-unique1 (talk) 21:55, 31 July 2009 (UTC))

SP Discography
I did major revamps to the Snow Patrol discography article. What do you think. Anything you feel should be taken care of, any problems, or anything left that should be added. I will try to get it featured, after taking care of all this. Need your help! Suede67 (talk) 02:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to take a look at it as soon as I can. But for now: great job!RichV (talk) 18:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Suede67 (talk) 19:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A few notes.
 * Not all countries that you've listed in the singles table are mentioned in the album table.
 * In fact, Shut Your Eyes was the number one in the Flemish chart. Belgium does not have a national chart; it's seperated by the Flemish and the Walloon chart.
 * I think that the singles table has a table error. Look at the last vertical line on the right side, it seems like it's dubbled.
 * On the Dutch discography of Linkin Park, I added the television and movie appereances. So it could be an idea to add a paragraph with the songs and the tv or movie, like Chasing Cars, Open Your Eyes, MTGOF and Planets in Grey's Anatomy.
 * Also a possiblity, like on the Dutch discography (I'm sorry for the references to that page, I'm just darn proud of it!), a descrition of the singles success on the charts sorted by the albums.
 * A table with all the b-sides sorted by the single.
 * Single certifications.
 * A discogs link?
 * Feel free to completely ignore my points, but they're just minor stuff. I hope it survives the review to get it featured. :) I really want to intergrate these points, but I really want to go to bed now because I just had my first day at work and I'm exhausted. Good luck with it and again: great job man.
 * Can't have b-sides because of this: WikiProject Discographies/style That's why I removed the "String Tribute" listing. I'll make sure about all rest points you made, expecially the Belgium one. I had forgotten about the 2 charts! Thanks for the reminder!

Btw, a lot of lines look doubled to me, i checked the table code, and it seemed fine, will you look for yourself, please? And I'll add TV appearances, beacuse the "not included" pag doesnt list that, but I do have my doubts, I havent seen any English disco pages mention this.

Only Chasing Cars has been certified uptil now, I'll add it somewhere, good point! And I dont know what a Discogs link is really. I dont quite understand what you mean, why not add it yourself?! And you're obviously to make any changes you want. I'd appreciate it! Thanks. Suede67 (talk) 18:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll add some things, I'm sorry I didn't did it yesterday but you know the reason ;). See this. Very handy and with a list of all the contributors of a song or an album. If you have the doubts about the TV appearences, just add it and we'll see if the people don't like the section. It's easy to remove it. ^^ RichV (talk) 21:58, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh no there's no hurry! Obviously you get tired, take your time. I'll add the discogs link in the ext links section. And I'll research TV appearances. Suede67 (talk) 22:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * [www.imdb.com Link to TV-appearences.] You made a mix of the Dutch Singles Top 100 and the Dutch Top 40, so I made it a Top 40 only because that's the biggest chart. RichV (talk) 22:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: The single references behind the song titles are more organised if they are per country at the top, where the links to the chart of the countries are. It used to be this way, but you've changed it so I decided to talk to you first about this. What do you think? RichV (talk) 22:33, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for correcting the Dutch charting, i didnt realize that was all wrong! I'll look into the IMDb site. About the single refs, I deliberately chaged position, because mostly there are refs linking 2-3 different sources and it would expand the little space at the top, try shifting refs yourself, i dont think it'd look very nice, this was the best I could do. Suede67 (talk) 22:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You couldn't know :). I see your point about the singles.
 * Glad you do. If you get any idea about moving the refs somewhere else, do it! It doesnt really look pretty how it exists right now anyway :) Suede67 (talk) 22:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you think about it now?RichV (talk) 23:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice try, but there's some problems, there's no refs for Ireland, and the refs section is a bit screwed up. I do have my doubt though, should we have a generic link like Snow Patrol discography saying we should manually check for charting details when we can have the actual link. Will this be an issue in the FLC? If not, I'll let it be. Suede67 (talk) 23:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

It's just an idea, I have no problems with you reverting it. A noticed earlier links with the previous version where people had to manually search. I "fixed" the Ireland ref. RichV (talk) 23:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just aware of one, the German certification for Chasing Cars, anyway, I'll let it be, it's certainly okay. Thanks Suede67 (talk) 23:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Themes to choose from
See here. I have anther idea in which said problem might be solved, i'll try that now. Suede67 (talk) 23:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

And about TV appearances, I ased this to another user (who's more experienced than me), see discussion. He makes sense to me too, i havent seen discographies mention them, but the band page, yes. We can have them there, ok? Pixies, a FA also has them, so it must be allowed, logically. Suede67 (talk) 15:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * (From my talk page): Music videos are created by the band and released alongside singles or albums for TV play, and are even released in their own right on occassion. A one-off TV performance is shown once and then forgotten by everyone except YouTube. A discography entry should really only include items that are (or previously were) available for purchase, or at least were shown in a frequent rotation by an applicable TV station; and to be brutally honest, including a 5-minute performance from Good Morning America is really too trivial to warrant a mention. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, then don't include it. RichV (talk) 15:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Suede67 (talk) 16:45, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Rocket single date?
I visited Dutch iTunes today, see this: If There's a Rocket Tie Me to It. Seems this is new, there's no date though, and this is the first time i saw "Satellited" on iTunes. Do you recall seeing it before? Suede67 (talk) 08:54, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the first time I see "Rocket" on the Dutch iTunes, and I don't recall "Sattelites" seeing it before. You mean in a digital version? RichV (talk) 19:05, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you ever seen this? Limited Edition Numbered - 7" Single. RichV (talk) 19:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have, but its not dutch, its UK, see the catalog no - 2700251 and see its the same here - link. Another thing, a user reverted my color changes to the template see this. Mind talking to him/her, I'm too drained to do it myself. Please, i'd appreciate it. Suede67 (talk) 02:15, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Template colors
I did ask you to talk to the edit removing the colors, I finally decided to talk myself, but you are free to join in the discussion: User talk:Y2kcrazyjoker4. Suede67 (talk) 05:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Shut your eyes
Yes, it did has a weird chronology, To add to that, Hands Open was the first US single! But I have a request. Lets work on EO later, if you noticed i expanded AHMS' reception section yesterday, i'm thinking of finishing that first and then move on the EO the album and EO singles. I am quite finished with AHMS singles/Signal Fire, so I think its best to move on, and make any minor changes to them that might be needed. What say, ready for a collaboration? If you cant spare time to write yourself, leave links/sources on my talk, I will integrate them in the article. Btw, Shut your eyes was NOT released in the UK, just Germany, and Netherlands. And Germany had 3 versions, and all had b-sides recorded on a Columbiahalle gig, which is a music venue in Berlin, I think.

I have another freaky idea, how about trying to get AHMS singles GAs? Can we manage that? Suede67 (talk) 15:04, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Does an album article really needs such a big paragraph with reception quotes? Because now you're just copying the things off the original reviewers. Finish AHMS and Signal Fire so we can move on. I think I'll have the time to help you on Eyes Open, but it won't be a lot because my holiday is ending. I'm removing the notice of SYE being the only failing single of SP in the UK. The singles look pretty complete, so we can go for a GA. RichV (talk) 20:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Its a quote, thats not copying entirely? I'll remove it if you sat so. Suede67 (talk) 21:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know you're just quoting, but you have to watch out that it won't contain big sections of the source. RichV (talk) 21:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see, this one The Hangover (film) has it, so I felt it was okay to quote. I'm going to sleep, see you later. Suede67 (talk) 21:23, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily!
I do like U2, and I've been helping an editor do minor tweaks to the NLOTH article. I do want to make AHMS a decent enough article (maybe not featured/good), but good enough like the recent singles articles are. Only then I would touch Eyes Open. But you can start, if you like, I'd pitch in doing minor stuff. Or you can help finish the AHMS article, if both of us do it, it'll finish sooner right? And lets not try making it good/featured right away, i feel, the nomination and all would consume time, which we can use in strictly improving other articles. I did mention nominations before, but I've been thinking and I've changed my mind. But I did put the disco article for a peer review and will try to get it featured. Lists are easier. Suede67 (talk) 09:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Tell me what to do on Eyes Open. RichV (talk) 23:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hahaha ok. I think first find info on the recording process. Suede67 (talk) 06:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I really want to extend the Dutch article about it, but I don't have a clue where to find extra information. The album is in the iTunes album top so people need the info. But take your time :). RichV (talk) 15:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. Still top in iTunes, that's something!!! I'll try to find info and send links to you, you expand the Dutch Eyes Open first, hopefully by then I'll finish the English AHMS, then EO, okay? I'm off finding EO sources. Suede67 (talk) 15:36, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool! RichV (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Need opinion
You know SP made 2 demos and 1 EP as Shrug. Mustn't these be mentioned in the discography section? The Yogurt vs Yogurt Debate can come before Starfighter Pilot (1997) and the demos can have a section of their own. Even the FL Metallica discography has a separate Demos section. Suede67 (talk) 09:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * SP doesn't have that much EPs and demos so I don't think you should add it to the disc. The only way that the Metallica page is getting away with that is that the list of EPs and demos have their own page and are linked to that. RichV (talk) 15:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, good point. Still the Yogurt EP can be added I feel, as its not a demo. I'm adding that now. You can revert later if you please. I'm off finding any articles that might mention demos in the Disco article, if I do find I'll add SP demos as well, ok? Suede67 (talk) 15:49, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just did! Uncle Tupelo discography and Tool discography. I'm adding hehe. Suede67 (talk) 16:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Then add it! 18:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes I intend to, but I had a little idea. I emailed Mike Morrison (email on his site) asking details on the Ep and demos, like release date (if any, expecially for the EP), and FORMAT (i'm guessing cassette). Just want it to symettrical to the rest of the page, and general knowledge for us! He's yet to respond back, I hope he does. If he doesnt, I'll add it just like that, though I intend to wait for a few days. The FL nom has a bit of time, the PR hasnt ended yet, so i think we can spare this time waiting. Btw, mind doing a little favor? I had email Jeepster earlier, requesting details on the music video directors of early videos, They didnt respond back. Can you try as well? Email can be found on the wbiste, sorry I dont recall if offhand. Suede67 (talk) 19:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice! I'll try it for you. 19:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks man! I think they're deliberately ignoring me. Dont know why. Just be painfully nice! :) You know, Jeepster DROPPED Sp, they didnt part on good terms (so it seems). Suede67 (talk) 19:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I mailed Universal before on some release dates and Warner for the same reason and I never got responses so I've got used to it. 20:33, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I see, maybe its because of the hordes of mail they get? Should we try emailing SP directly? I found these emails: info@snowpatrol.com eskimos@snowpatrol.com (Eskimos is Tom, he maintains SP.com and shows up on the forums sometimes) Then there is Jacqui, who is a moderator on the forums, very knowledgable, we might ask her, as our third option? I'll try emailing Tom myself. Suede67 (talk) 20:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The least they can do is sending a mail to keep us updated in stead of flipping us off. I guess info@SP will get the best result. Tom is just a co-worker. 15:20, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay then! Suede67 (talk) 15:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

it is screwed
the refs on the singles you put, dont really direct to the correct pages, i'm sorry i'm reverting your edit. I'll try to put them in the top, i have a lil idea, lets see if it works. Suede67 (talk) 20:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok. Np. RichV (talk) 22:42, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I just finished sorting them out, and I ended up using most of the sources you had added :) Looks nice isnt it? And its all impeccable sourced, no one can point out a mistake. I'm starting the albums charting now. Suede67 (talk) 22:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

quite finished
the albums/singles are finished, i also small sized album/dcd/ep details, i think it looks good like that. Opinions? The TV appearances remain. And do you recall any song I might have missed in other appearances. and what do you think about Template:Snow_Patrol? Suede67 (talk) 01:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice job. The small sized details look better now. I just know the album songs, I don't know other b-sides and songs. I'm not that deeply involved with Snow Patrol :). I placed the ref's in a seperate row in the video section. And I have a question: you've seperated the normal EP's and the iTunes EP's; I think they belong in one paragraph and the a mention in the notes row that they're iTunes only. What's your opinion about that? And about the template, if I would choose that colour at the Dutch Wikipedia, I've gotten myself in a big fight about the color of it. The colour is ok, but isn't there an other colour that fits SP more? RichV (talk) 14:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Commets:


 * "I don't know other b-sides and songs" - Again, you forgot about the link I earlier have you. Guidelines say we cannot put b-sides in a discography article
 * "I placed the ref's in a seperate row in the video section." - That was better, I'll just shift it to the end, I think it will look better like that.
 * "you've seperated the normal EP's and the iTunes EP's; I think they belong in one paragraph and the a mention in the notes row that they're iTunes only." - The reason I did that is because they're not AS notable as the physical EPs, plus, the band has released FOUR eps exclusively on iTunes, so I feel they deserve a special mention. But you are right, we should mention they're iTunes exclusive. What do you think?
 * The template color: Somrone reverted my colr edit! Says the font is black so its not possible to know which page we're viewing. I'm in the process of choosing a new font color. Anyway, you say about a color that represents SP more, I'm not sure, I thought about AHMS, black and white? Eyes Open, grey and white? a bit of blue? I dont think that would look that well. FS i though fit, yellow and black. I now have another idea, Songs for Polarbears. Green and white. What do you think? Suede67 (talk) 22:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * With "I don't know other b-sides and songs", I meant other appearences.
 * I was in doubt of where to place the ref's, before or after the "video"-row. I guess your idea fits better.
 * I'm still with the merging of the EP-section. They both are EP's and because it's an iTunes-only release, doesn't mean it's special.
 * You can try to place four templates with SfP, FS, EO and AHMS-colors on the talk page of the template so it's easier to choose. Nice idea? RichV (talk) 22:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, we should merge them, but must metion in the notes section they're iTunes only, Ok with that? I will add TV appearances later, I had put a To-do list on the talk page!


 * "You can try to place four templates with SfP, FS, EO and AHMS-colors on the talk page of the template so it's easier to choose. Nice idea?" Excellent! I'll try to do that ASAP. I'll try if I can chosse something for WIAOWSHTCU. Suede67 (talk) 22:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Related links
I'll be posting any links I find here, lets keep a section separate for this, shall we? Suede67 (talk) 16:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Most are SP.com links, we should try find external third party links, but this is a start. Not all links are exclusively for the recording process, but I think they'll eventually be used. Suede67 (talk) 17:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * recording info
 * gary discusses new songs
 * gary discusses future plans after FS Tour ends
 * more recording info, the very start
 * and some more!
 * fans asked to suggest album title
 * recording almost ending
 * and almost!
 * quite a few recording related links
 * could use
 * kate bush connection
 * could add a line or two about "set the fire..."
 * ^another related link
 * nathan interview relating EO, discusses recording
 * more about when EO was being completed
 * just at the start of EO's recording
 * interview at release, discusses songs etc, maybe a new section on the songs?
 * perform on VH2 the new single YAIH, confirmed on the link ^above
 * Xfm music response sessions
 * news for ^ on SP.com
 * competition to win personalized disc at EO reaching 1 mil. sales


 * Okay thanks. RichV (talk) 19:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've done some working on it. Just compare Eyes Open (current) with Eyes Open (concept). Gonna search tomorrow for some more backgrond information (links). RichV (talk) 00:19, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Found some links, hopefully more later! Suede67 (talk) 02:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Appreciation section
Haha, its looking great! Its a big section! I dont understand what it means but i feel its large enough. So what do you want to write now, now that recording is finished? Btw, in the tracklisting, you can split the japanese bonus tracks. Suede67 (talk) 08:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yeah, it still needs a lot of work. I am planning to split the bonus tracks, don't you worry! The albums nl:Hybrid Theory and nl:Minutes to Midnight are two of my biggest album articles which I'm proud of and I want to get Eyes Open just like those. You'll see that it still needs some work. I have to think what I want to add more, I'll get to you on that. RichV (talk) 15:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Btw: You can use google to translate lol.
 * Haha yes I can. I should use it when writing the English version. And Hybrid Theo. and M2M articles look superb! Great job. But there's one problem, I've read somewhere we shouldnt put charting hstory (i mean week 1 - pos 4, week 2 - pos 3 etc) its in the violation of guidelines. Not sure if it applies in the Dutch wiki, but be careful. And dont forget referencing! Suede67 (talk) 15:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks man. We don't have a guideline about charting history so it's not a big point there. Yeah, I know I have to ref more on those pages, but the Dutch wiki isn't very stern in that. 18:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Good for you! Just thinking it may be a problem in the FA nom, which I'm sure you intend to some day. Suede67 (talk) 19:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If I get the time. It's really tough to get a FA, the article Linkin Park got it with the minimum number of votes and Minutes to Midnight wasn't good enough. 15:20, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Makes me shy away from nominating anything! Suede67 (talk) 15:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Check the concept page now. I've added personnel and some tables. Three hours of work! 18:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Great job! Its coming together very nicely! If you're done with the recording section, a bit of promotion and release next. The reception section would be easy. Suede67 (talk) 18:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've tried to make a time table of the single chronology, but I'm having serious trouble with it. Would you take a look at it? I have left out the timeline tags. Copy it from my edited talk page so that the code's more orgaised.


 * I have no idea what you were trying to do, but I corrected it to get this. Dont know what you will ahave to do to make it work on the Dutch wiki.


 * See the first table on the right. I want it to look like this:
 * NL: [You're All I Have][Chasing Cars][Open Your Eyes][Shut Your Eyes][Shut Your Eyes]
 * US: [You're All I Have][Chasing Cars][Hands Open]
 * Sorted by date. 22:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry! I give up! Its going totally over my head, i'm totally blank here. Why not make a simple table instead? Maybe ask some other editor, more experienced you might know? Suede67 (talk) 23:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * WOWWW! is all i can say, it looks really good, and the pics you added look superb! The location's pic, can we have that on the english wiki too? It'd be great to have it on the english EO article. And btw, now that yu're done with EO and TLS, shall we nominate the discography article for featured list? Suede67 (talk) 07:38, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Review
Anyway, the "concept" page you're talking about. Here's what I suggest.


 * 'Achtergrondinformatie' means 'background info' right? I didnt translate whats in the HUGE section you wrote (goodddd job), but I guess recording info, as most links i gave you were that. I say split it up. "Recording & production", or anything, based on the content you have written.
 * achtergrondinformatie' does mean bginfo. I'm still replacing some sentences so it has some cohesion.
 * I see some sales figures and certification along the end of the section, they can go in the reception section. Along with critic reviews.
 * Yeah, I was planning to have a reception section, split in a commercial and critical section.
 * Since the section about songs used in pop culture is quite small, these can go in the promotion section, as the songs used only promoted the album/SnowPatrol I feel.
 * I am going to look for some more pop culture information. It's too small.
 * The b-side section (I know you worked hard in putting it up), but I think it goes just too long. I would suggest removing the live ones and remixes and keep only new original songs that were bsides. Like "i am an astronaut", "play me like your..." etc.
 * It WAS a lot of work, so I'm going to consider your input. :)
 * Also in the release section (whe you write) you can have a bit about the cover art (see the english page for EO, i had put up a bit some time before). Like this page has it: NLOTH
 * That's a good idea.
 * oh, and in promotion, stuff about the EO Tour can be there. That'd make it a quite massive article! We can then have a pic from the tour(?)
 * Nice idea. I can only add pictures from Commons, the Dutch wiki is more crappy on copyright.

Any good? Suede67 (talk) 23:35, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for your review.  15:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad! Suede67 (talk) 16:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: Somehow I forgot it before, but EO needs an awards section! See the awards page. Pick EO and EO singles and you have a nice awards section. Suede67 (talk) 04:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Great idea! I finished the popular culture paragraph, and I'm darn proud of it. Only release, promotion, the tour and the awards to go, though I don't have any information about the release or promotion. I wasn't into SP when the album launched so I really have no knowledge on it. 14:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad you like the idea. Well I too wasnt around then, but I will try to find sources for release and promotion dont worry, I'm sure we can have something. You continue working on the EO Tour and awards sections. I looked at the concept page: Its looking very good I must say! One thing though, the artwork section is small, so you can merge it into the "release" section. I quite like the NLOTH page, its very neat, and I am going to use it as a reference to styles when I do the album pages myself. See this: link. The cover art is a subsection in "release" since our covert art section isnt that big, we can merge right? And below is the promotion section. Hopefully I will find some sources to expand it, but the EO tour can be a subsection in the promotion section. Makes sense, as bands take tours to promote the album. What do you think? Suede67 (talk) 22:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was planning to put the tour info in the promotion section. NLOTH (love "Crazy") looks really good. I like your idea. 22:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Edit: ✅ with touring and awards!. 00:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks good! You forgot the bold the "Grammy Awards". Suede67 (talk) 00:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for mentioning it. Do you got any info on the single chronology in other countries? 14:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it, in fact I havent found the time yet to find info about the release and promo too, have been busy all the day. You may feel i'm always online, but i'm working! I'll do it tonight. Suede67 (talk) 14:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I was asking it because maybe you already knew it. Take your time, you're quite busy with other things to. We don't have a deadline dude! 14:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha yes we don't I guess I just have too much on my hands to do everything. I might "know" it, btw, need to think a bit. I'll make a new section soon. Suede67 (talk) 14:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. 14:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, check it! Suede67 (talk) 15:29, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * More Comments & Ideas: In the EO article under tour section, make a note about the tour reporter feature, as its the only tour until now SP employed this. And there are plenty of TV appearance on SP's site, all these can be incorporate in the promo section. See this link from this, select next months, of course we can have external sources, based on which programs they appeared, search for that and snow patrol, must get something, I hope. Suede67 (talk) 03:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Singles chronology
UK - YAIH, CC, StF, OYE US - CC, HO, maybe OYE (not sure) AUS - YAIH, OYE NED - YAIH, SYE IRE - YAIH, CC, HO (Frelance remix), OYE GER - YAIH, CC, SYE, OYE BEL - SYE (only that, seems so)

Most of these I took from respective Universal music sites, if in case you need sources. Just try to keep it short and precise, a table maybe. Very confusing!!! Suede67 (talk) 15:28, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Upload
I'm considering to upload EO. I've worked pretty long on it and really want to publish it. I don't know how much spare time I'll have in the next weeks so I really want to wrap it up. 16:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah sure! Go or it Suede67 (talk) 17:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Music videos!
Jeepster helped, then I emailed the directors themselves, they helped too!!! Incredible, I never expected it, and they seemed quite eager and happy too. Snow Patrol discography. Woohoo! Suede67 (talk) 15:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Congrats mate! Didn't expect that. 16:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, great for every fan I guess, not many knew those tidbits. Suede67 (talk) 16:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Edit: I've checked the page and made some edits.
 * Good ones. The symbols could get weird I admit. This is better.


 * Notes in numbers are better than signs.
 * Absolutely.


 * US Chasing Cars uses a shortened part before the climax
 * UK Chasing Cars has a bass drum in the part before the climax
 * Agree? 16:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe, I should hear them again. If you know for sure, please edit it yourself! I checked the track length only until now. The Arni & Kinski one (UK) is the same length as the album version, but the Nick Brandt one (US) is 3:43, but the radio edit is 4:10. I was trying to find details if the edit is actually called something. Suede67 (talk) 16:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm 100% sure. :) I always look for the differences if there's a radio edit. 16:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! Is there an actualy name for the edit as well? Btw I found another, with is about 4:10, now this is confusing link. Can you listen to all of these and edit the results? Suede67 (talk) 16:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's just a remix and an edit, like I wrote on the page. There's not really an official name for it. Np about the watching, I'm glad to help. ;) 16:56, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Suede67 (talk) 17:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the UK version, isn't it? It has added bass drums. 21:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I listened to the video (UK) and the album version. I hear the bass drum in the album version as well, its just more noticeable in the video's mix. I am not sure we can claim its a different version. It may just be a case of the bad quality youtube video. Because the lengths are same. The US version is different. It entirely clips off the music in between verses and the singing starts abruptly. I hear the bass drum again. My Results:

1. The bass drum is present in all versions (UK, US, Album). 2. The UK version uses the album version of the song. 3. The US version is shorter as music between verses is clipped off.

Please listen again. Do you think you hear the same I do? Lets reach a CONSENSUS before we make a final edit on the disco page :) Suede67 (talk) 02:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, you're wrong :P. The bass drum may appear in all versions, but it has been remixed louder in the videos. Plus, in the bridge, before the climax, he sings Let's waste time, chasing cars, around our heads in stead of Let's waste time, chasing cars, around our heads. We don't need, anything, or anyone. It's shortened. 22:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we're confusing. Before the climax, he actually sings: Let's waste time, chasing cars, around our heads. I NEED YOUR Grace...... and not anything or anyone. And yes, I now know you're right when you say its been edited, in the video, the grace lyrics isnt there! It IS an edit! But I hear the full rest of the song, in the UK video. Right? Please just listen to the album ver. and UK video again, I think we can rest this. Suede67 (talk) 05:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit confused. So you agree with my opinion that the UK video uses the album version with the following differences:


 * I don't quite know


 * How to say how I feel


 * Those three words are said too much


 * They're not enough


 * strong bass drum If I lay here


 * strong bass drum If I just lay here


 * strong bass drum Would you lie with me and just forget the world?


 * strong bass drum Forget what we're told before we get too old


 * strong bass drum Show me a garden that's bursting into life


 * added rhythm guitar Let's waste time chasing cars around our heads


 * I need your grace to remind me, to find my own


 * If I lay here


 * etc.
 * Agree? 14:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * You nailed it! Exactly. Only the grace line is omitted. and the bass drum seems more prominent. Suede67 (talk) 15:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. We have reached a consensus! 15:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, we have! You can edit the note as you like. Maybe can mention the more prominent bass drum(?). Now is the US video. Does it have the bass drum more prominent as well? Suede67 (talk) 16:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the US version has the more prominent bass drum. However, I do think to say that it's remixed or it uses the radio edit is mentionable, but to go in details on the discography doesn't seem really neccesary. It's notable on the CC page. Btw, I'm now finishing the LS article. 17:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes absolutely, you're right, but a bit mention is necessary (?) I think. I've seen other discographies mention if an alternate version is used for the video. Put the LS article soon!!! Yay! Suede67 (talk) 17:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If other featured discographies have such things as well, then it would be ok, don't you think? I've finished the song and uploaded it. 18:24, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but not explaining, that can be done in the main CC article. Maybe just mention it uses an edit I guess. TLS looks great! But the english link you put is invalid, because the english site is just "the lightning strike" and not "the lightning strike (song)" that page doesnt exist. you can fix that. Suede67 (talk) 18:30, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess just the mention will be ok. The CC article can go deeper on it. A bot removed the en link, and i've replaced it now with the right link. 20:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Talking about videos...
I made edits to the sandbox, and have you seen this video? Hilarious! Suede67 (talk) 13:53, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, pretty old but really funny xD. 14:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh you have seen it? I just came across it today. Suede67 (talk) 14:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess he was tired of the old type Linkin Park songs. Lucky him, they went a new direction. 15:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Suede67 (talk) 16:30, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Radio / Beyonce Song
Yes but charting on a national chart does not confirm a single's release, it only confirms that the song recieved a lot of airplay. you need more than one source and one that can state explicitly that the song was released as a SINGLE. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 21:42, 2 September 2009 (UTC))

The new album section on Snow Patrol
yeah i figured i should start it. I saw your additions as well, you got the spelling wrong on Listen... Tanks! You said Thanks! haha! Maybe you're feeling thankful that it will finally release? Suede67 (talk) 10:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have a clue how it's going to sound so i'm interested but not really hyped! Thanks for the notice, I'll correct it. I've also started on the SP disco but we'll see when it finishes. 15:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Me neither, but I'm positive, i like the new sound of final straw/eyes open, and i liked the positivity of ahms, i'm ready. my guess is it'll have a hip-hop flavor to it, tom's a dj i mean. Sp disco yeah! Suede67 (talk) 16:05, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Listen... Tanks!
i had been ignoring it for so long, i finally added it to my watchlist, and added stuff i could find. I also heard that the album will be released in late 2009, but could not find any ref for it. do you recall anthing relating to this? btw, if you're interested, making an article on it on the dutch wiki would hardly take 10 minutes! Suede67 (talk) 20:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * you're my only source that it was going to drop late 2009. i haven't really payed a lot of attention to this project so i'm again of no use. i'm too tired to make an article now. it's going to be sometime this week because i'm buried with other work. but it's high on my priority list. 21:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, no problem, i'll ask sam, she generally knows better about this. I was buried with work for the past 20 something days, am free this week! Expect lots of edits from me. Btw, make it whenever you want obviously, mine was just a suggestion. See ya. Btw, should we nominate the discography article now? I made lots of minor fixes earlier today. I feel its quite ready now. Suede67 (talk) 21:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Edit - I have second thoughts. I came across these ongoing FLCs link1, and link2. I went through them and there still are things that need to be fixed on the SP article. mainly concerning refs. It'd be great if you can do some of it, but I do plan to work on it tomorrow. 'nite... Suede67 (talk) 22:25, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * When I read the previous post, I wanted to say go for it. When I have time, I'll try to help. We are going to make this a featured article! 16:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * yes sure, its no biggie, I am going to fix stuff. And yes, it WILL be a FL! Suede67 (talk) 17:44, 8 September 2009 (UTC) EDIT: I added to the "to do" list. Just to make it easier what tasks remain. I will be checking more current FLCs later for ideas. Suede67 (talk) 19:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, a to do list will help me a lot. I think i have some spare time later today so i can help you with the disco.  10:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Snow Patrol
I added 2 sentences in it today, found something unexpectedly! Suede67 (talk) 13:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hilarious! Didn't expect that from the guys. 15:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * He he yes, I was surprised myself, but I did know that atleast Gary was a Dundee fan, because the cover of "Little Hide" is a pic of a Dundee match Gary's friend (I think took) Suede67 (talk) 16:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Btw, I tried and (I think) managed to move every SP related image to commons (the free ones of course): link and link just so they're safe, and ready to use whenever necessary. What do you think? And if you fond any image i may have forgotten about, just notify me! Oh, and the new pics are ones a friend of mine (who was active on wiki before, not now sadly) got from a friend of hers. Like them? Suede67 (talk) 23:40, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! You are making my life so much easy because i have the possibility to post more pictures on the Dutch wiki. like I said before, they're crappy on that. I'll keep an eye open. 14:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! Btw, how can i use the pic of Ireland you posted on the Eyes Open article? Or can you add it on the english EO? Suede67 (talk) 15:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Limited edition box of love!
lovely name for the post isnt it? I laughed. What do you think of this release?!!! I think its great, just too expensive!

Btw i started the article, and posted JSY, it has reliable sources, and now, a release date, so thought might as well...

PS - Dont discard my messages above! See ya! Suede67 (talk) 11:34, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's indeed expensive, have to look if i'm going to purchase it. Too bad though they didn't use the album version of Platets, i like that one better. I'm going to take a look at JSY, and have you started Up to Now? Expect my replies this sunday, so don't feel discarded xD. 14:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I too like the album version more, but I dont mind, I have the AHMS cd as well. I did write Up to Now a bit, its in the 5th sandbox. Suede67 (talk) 15:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

SP discography peer review
Peer review/Snow Patrol discography/archive1 You can get your doubts cleared up here. Maybe help with changes the reviewer might suggest. Suede67 (talk) 18:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll take a look at it. RichV (talk) 23:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The PR is about to end, the reviewer's concerns have been addressed. If you have any doubts, have it clarified before the PR gets archived. Btw, you you help me do a joint FLC nomination after PR ends? Will you be available to comment etc in the FLC? Suede67 (talk) 17:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been a way for a couple of days, but I'm back now. What's a FLC nomination? 18:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * FLC = featured list candidate. I mean a joint nomination for featured list. Suede67 (talk) 19:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Tell me what to do! And I'm pretty happy with the new album that's coming! 21:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You wont have to do anything except look at the nomination, answering reviewer's concerns etc, of course I'll be there as well. And the new album, yes! But its only a compilation, as I predicted earlier in the year damn! But am looking forward to the new single of course! And will buy the compilation if its available here. Will be nice to have a few oldies on CD. Btw, the compilation will be different from this one here right? Or i'm confusing it? Btw, the FLC nomination has time, I'm still waiting for Jeepster to reply (they did reply twice, and we may complete the music video list!!) Suede67 (talk) 21:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll be there at the FLC thingy. I do think it will be different than your sandbox. Have to say I like Nicole Scherzinger and I noticed that Gary had worked on the song. I was a bit dissapointed when I heard that her album was being shelved but now it doesn't care anymore. Do you think they're gonna rework some of the new songs aswell? Because it's gonna be in the line of a greatest hits album right? Would be cool. PS: I just missed the webcast of SP at V Festival, gonna hope for a rip. 22:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha I could ask/pester Sam to get a hold of a rip. I forgot about it as well. About the album, ut would be like a Greatest hits, but as Gary said that they only have had 2 hits! I think the songs on the album wouldnt be reworked, only the songs on the tour. And yes, I do feel the newer songs would be reworked as well, remember Planets? I guess the idea was always there. And I'm too glad "just say yes" isnt lost, when I came to know her album was shelved, I was disappointed, really anted to listen to what gary had written. Its so great that SP are recording the song themselves, its THEIR'S anyway, not like Leona, such a crap version that was. Suede67 (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want to ask it to Sam. I had Planets in mind when I thought of the reworked thing, to that explains it. I really like SP more in the way of their freedom in doing what they want to do. Can't say that about Linkin Park, with Warner blocking them everytime. I just heard Just Say Yes again, and I must say it's really a Gary-song! And... I liked the Leona version very much, I found it very beautiful in its own way, especially with the choir ánd at live performances. But the original is wayy better. I really hope the SP-album will arrive very fast. 22:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh you like it! Well, my thinking is that Leona releases it as her own for profit, she had no part in creating it, that makes it all the more worse for me. Plus it goes number 1, and people start thinking its A leona song is all the more irritating. Anyway, you say right, love the freedom SP have. What about LP though, why does Warner "block" them? In what way? Suede67 (talk) 22:34, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's true, but in all the articles about the song, Snow Patrol is mentioned as the band who created the song. And it boosted the sales of the original, causing three SP-songs from three different albums in the UK Singles Chart: Run, Chasing Cars and Take Back the City. Linkin Park, especially MC Mike Shinoda, is very creative and I know he wants to release more songs seperately, but Warner won't let them. And during the European Tour in 2007, after a pause of three years, Warner didn't allow the planned webcasts of their festival performances. I think the album that's coming in 2010 is their last on Warner.
 * Guess they;ll be very happy to leave Warner away. About "Run", yeah I mean of course the reviewers etc know its an SP song, but I was referring to fans, I even saw posts such as "oh, Sp's AHMS? Third album?" That pisses me off. Suede67 (talk) 22:49, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * While TBTC achieved a high position in the UK Singles Chart. Maybe a lack of promotion? But the "fans" should know about it. Btw, any tips/links/suggestions for the Dutch Eyes Open article? 23:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, TBTC was quite good in the charts. Not that they really matter, though I do feel kinda bad that there's almost a loss of interest for SP after AHMS released, I guess most people were expecting EP version 2, and got something really different. Recent singles have failed, and the album itself didnt sell. Suede67 (talk) 23:35, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Just say yes!
Btw, check comments about the Eyes Open article above. I started the JSY article in my sandbox. Do you know anything more to add, as of now? I did research for some time, found only this. Btw, I listend to Gary's interview again, it DOES seem that the compilation will have the song, and it will be the single from that, to promote the album + reworked tour. My sandbox here. Suede67 (talk) 04:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. Don't mind me copy a lot of it for the Dutch page. 15:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course not! Suede67 (talk) 16:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I noticed your edits to the sandbox, are you sure its a download, or you're seculating, because it must be! and I'm not sure, if the band had any hand in writing the song, everywhere it says ncole is singing a Gary Lightbody song. Suede67 (talk) 17:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm positive it will be a digital download, which Snow Patrol song isn't? You got a point there with the writers, but I believe that the full Snow Patrol has worked on it to improve it. But since I have no source, I will remove it. 17:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: The third reference does not work; it's archived and requires payment to access it. 17:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha you're right, everyones a download. Btw dont remove the writing credit just yet. I'm quite sure the band worked together to make it SP. I mean Gary always writes the lyrics and the band music, and since its the reworked tour, i'm sure they added finishing touces, even though Gary had written it initially. I know about the third ref, but you can see the content here: link. Is this allowed? Suede67 (talk) 17:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You're too late about the removing! I see we're on the same point, but we don't have a source. That link does work, thanks. 17:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, ok no problems, lets not "EDIT WAR" :) I'm sure there'll be coverage on the single soon. Lets focus more on the actual article content. If you can find anything else relating to it, put it in yourself, and leave the link on the sandbox, i'll integrate it. But of course, I could use some help! Suede67 (talk) 17:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A war hehe. If I find anything useful, I'll add it. You need help with what? And I've uploaded the Dutch version. 17:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * With help, I meant, if ytou find any links relating, leave the on my sandbox as well, so I can have the info as well. Btw, where is the Dutch version? Link to your sandbox please! Gotta go now, see ya later! Suede67 (talk) 17:30, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay you can count on me!. Check Just Say Yes. :) 17:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Great, I thought you would first make it in your sandbox as well. because if I post it on the english wiki, it'll be nom for deletion I'm sure! Suede67 (talk) 19:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they are more strict with new uncharted singles than at the Dutch Wikipedia. I have the freedom of posting new songs and albums far before the release. 20:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's great, in fact, I am taking a chance for Late Night Tales: Snow Patrol, my excuse - we have a track list. Suede67 (talk) 21:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope that it will last until charting. 21:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You really think it will chart?! I'm not so hopeful, I'm just hoping for some reviews, like I got for The Trip: Created by Snow Patrol. Since these arent THAT important albums for the band, there arent any interviews about them etc we can have to put in more info. All I think we have are the reviews. Suede67 (talk) 21:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * True, there's not a lot of chance of chart success. Let's hope for a stay, that's what I meant. 22:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * yes, of course. Suede67 (talk) 22:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Just Say Yes: I made some edits, you can incorporate them on the dutch wiki? Find all edits here: link Suede67 (talk) 08:52, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was going to ask you if you had made some changes but you beat me. I'll incorporate it. 14:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha! Well, you can add it to your watchlist to make things easier. Suede67 (talk) 14:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is on my watchlist, I forgot that. I might have overlooked it. Anyway, the new hotpress link is archived, so only the title is availible. I fixed the first link. 14:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a solution for the problem with Hotpress, see my new edits. I hope the alt link doesnt expire, its only a google cache, it may chnge with the spider crawls again, not sure. Suede67 (talk) 15:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for doing the searching for the link and the chron. The Dutch and Belgium (Flemish) aren't correct, I have the correct one on the EO concept page. 15:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh is it? The Universal Bel site, for WAL and FLA both have only SYE as a single listed though. Suede67 (talk) 15:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * My experiance with the Universal website is that it's incomplete. CC has charted in FLA (#3). 15:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Good catch, must be incomplete. Suede67 (talk) 16:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Your SP discography is very handy to note these things! 16:05, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Its not mine! I just made edits to the format it was already in! Btw, you need to make the disco, lightning strike and signal fire pages on dutch! :) Suede67 (talk) 16:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, LS is on 50%, saved on Wordpad. The disco will come, as well as SF. ^^ 16:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, wordpad. Good good! Btw, if you copy the whole code into the dutch wiki, what things you need to alter? Suede67 (talk) 16:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Which code? The LS code? I am already writing it in Wikilanguage. Btw, this sentence in the live paragraph doesn't work. The video's theme uses a colorful visual language; the birth and development of a star, spiralling galaxy and its millions of pieces, which flow smoothly into each other. [from here-->] Formation of space, birds, animated rockets, satellites, fishes, havens, oceans, boats, cities, landscapes, rainbows, cars and planets and many other visual impressions. Or am I wrong? 16:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant the wiki code, eg - align="center" etc. and you're right, the sentence is strange, i never got around to make it more coherent. Can you? You're writing it anyway. Suede67 (talk) 17:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't really get know what you mean with the code. I just use wikicode. I have put LS in my sandbox, under EO so you can take a look. I only need reception, which I'm planning to do later today. I'll fix it. 17:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * haha, I get it now, I mean the same thing - wiki LANGUAGE. The programmer in me! I'll take a look. Edit: Looks good! Btw, you can also add these in the awards and regognition section. link. All this will also be helpful in the CC article later. Edit #2: One more request, can you try searching for anything relating to recording/production of "the lightning strike"? I feel there is more to be added, do you have any access to any magazines etc? That could also help. Suede67 (talk) 17:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not very good at it, but I can try to find something. 21:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

New section for discussing new releases?
I guess this will be better than cluttering everything up.

We will have to be very hard working in the coming days: Late Night Tales, "JSY" and Up to Now. I suggest you start working on the new ones on dutch, the older ones can be attended to when these releases become "old", know what I mean. And I say this because of this: hit counter I was hoping that would happen so I cleaned the article up a bit, and just posted it. See the spike, I am hoping for quite a few more hits when the 2 Nov actually gets close, but anyway.

I have started Up to Now, you can find it here. Making the track listing was extremely boring! Btw, i know you will be on the lookout for news, can you post the links you find here? or in the sandbox? Or better, if you can, edit it yourself, I will too as I find news, but who knows, we could miss some thing? Just saying if we collaborate, the task will be finished quicker and more easily. Suede67 (talk) 12:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I already have started on the UtN-article, its on my sandboxpage, u know where to find it. the peak of JSY is not that big btw, just compare it to other SP-song articles, which have reached the k's. And compare your link with this! Kinda pathetic isn't it? Thanks for the tracklist on UtN-sandboxx, the Dutch Wiki has a equal tracklist template which allows me to directly copy the tracklist on the UtN page without making any more edits. So you've taken a lot of wrok out of my hands, a big thank you! But i wanted however to add a field where the original album is noted. that wouldn't be a big problem, would it? LNT is not very high on my priority list, I want to create the other Sp-albums and EP's first, accompanied by the disco. I'll check the news and if anything comes up, I'll edit or place the link. I'll make some edits and stuff tomorrow as i'm not at my own computer right now.  23:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw your sandbox, seems you have more info there than whats present on mine, can you just add that after translating? And i'm not surprised the hits on the dutch JSY are less, but what srprises me is that its really low! And you are right, 169 something on the english page itself is quite low, wonder where the fans are?! Btw, nice idea about an addition al column in the traclist, i'll do it. Suede67 (talk) 03:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I cant seem to do the extra 2nd column for the album, i saw the template help here, still cant figure it out. Can you try? Suede67 (talk) 03:32, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll finish the Dutch one and update the English. Basically, I wrote a piece to explain what Gary meant by "we didn't came here overnight" with mentioning the struggle to get a major label and commercial succes. the other thing i've added, is the personnel section. i'll try to fix the 2nd column. 11:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't work for me. We can ask for help, or do it like this. 11:32, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, nice find, i'll do it as the Zeppelin article does. Lets see how that looks. Suede67 (talk) 14:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * nl:Up to Now. 18:21, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, that was quick! Nice idea there on the personnel section. I plan to add it later, after we have more substantial info about the album itself, but if you want, go ahead! Should we post the english one online as well right now? What do you think? Will it be safe from deletion, we do have a tracklist, so I assume we could. Suede67 (talk) 18:36, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We could upload it. We have a confirmed release date, tracklist, quotes and other essential stuff. Go for it! 22:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok! I'll look it for any errors and will upload shortly! Suede67 (talk) 00:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I did the first check, so the double check is up to you. 16:03, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha! I saw your edits, i was going to change the 2008 to 09, and I found you had already done it. But i was thinking, that instead of mentioning the formats in bullet format, why not explain them in running text, what say? Also, the dutch page needs a link to the english page. Suede67 (talk) 16:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Does SP have many fans?
I doubt so, I dont know who bought EO and FS, of maybe those fans disappeared when AHMS was released. There are hardly any SP fans it seems. I though wiki is one place almost everyone comes to look for info, yet hits like these at these times make me sad. Should I even edit?

http://stats.grok.se/en/200909/Up%20to%20Now

Pretty low for an upcoming album on which there's so much buzz on the forums. I can understand the low hits on the dutch pages (as SP isnt a dutch band), but its still pretty for for the English pages for a UK band. Suede67 (talk) 00:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I can think of an explanation. If you type Eyes Open or Final Straw at Google, you'll find a link to Wikipedia is in the first five hits. Up to Now is pretty new and not yet cached in Google so it doesn't appear in the first hits. That is what I can think of. The article is pretty new! 06:48, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, you make me feel better. Suede67 (talk) 06:53, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm glad I've done that. :) 15:39, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Dutch EO page
One pic is deleted it seems, and the singles table seems screwed up. In NED, SYE was released 2 times? Same for the countries from FLA to US? I THINK I can make a graph (as you wanted before, I think i've found a way) :) Correct it soon! Because I still think that YAIH wasnt a single to all those countries. Just see the countries where a single charted, it will give us an idea, ex - Set the fire charted well in IRE, etc. Btw, my idea looks something like this: link Suede67 (talk) 11:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly what I had in mind. I'm gonna check EO on the Dutch page. SYE was indeed released two times; it first stranded in the tipparade but after the succes in FLA (#1 for two weeks, damn i was jealous), it was re-released. In my experiance, an album's first single is always released in the most country. That's why I noted YAIH as overall first single. I checked the charting but feel free to double check. 16:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Edit: SYE was only released in NL, DE and FL. is the table not clear enough so that it looks like SYE has been released in the US? Please tell me if that's the case. Maybe you can help me with the deleted image, by trying to get it onto Commons. It's not a problem if you don't want to do that. ^^ It's prolly a lot of work to do that with copyright and stuff. 16:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * yes, the table is a bit screwed up, sometimes when i scroll down, then up one line seems to get moved. and SYE looks like a part of US, yes you're right.Suede67 (talk) 20:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I did remember your idea, it was on my mind, but had no way to actually make it. I happened to stumble on a software by chance which helps create those type of images, so I instantly remembered your idea. The deleted image seems to be of the EO tour ticket, well thats the name on commons: link I added the dingle image (you have on the page) on EO (ENG) page, i hope this is allowed.

I checked the charting, and here is what i found:

YAIH: Hasnt charted in NED, FLA, AU. But must be a dutch release because of this. though it charted on the illboard alt. chart, i am sure it wasnt a US single, because the alt chart is based on radio play, and i am sure i have heard before that CC was the first US single

CC: Difficult, as it seems it has charted everywhere!

HO: Seems like it has only been a digital single. Research brought up the fact that it was a promo in the US, and charted probably because of airplay (again on the alt. chart) no info got on it being a CD single only digital (that is the "freelance hellraiser remix" on itunes).

STFTTTB: UK is sure, IRE must be, the one left is FLA. The link shows it charted in 2008, so it must've been for some different reason, because singles arent in shops as long as albums. it probably wasnt a single there, and maybe got into the chart for some other reason. Does the FLA Ultratop chart include airplay as a criteria?

OYE: Charted in UK, GER, IRE, UK is sure. GER is also, because Universal GER lists it w/ release date.

SYE: Its in FLA, because its listed on the Universal Bel site link, and it is a NED, and GER single because we have release dates for them.

Please consider this! YAIH (though your logic is right) was NOT a world wide single, all proof suggest so. Get back soon! Also "JSY" had first radio play, i quite like it, and my earlier prediction about the new direction proves right! If you havent heard it, i can email you an mp3. Suede67 (talk) 20:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the analysis. I'm 100% sure about the Dutch and Flemish singles, and I even think that STF was a Dutch single too, right after the second release of SYE following FLA but it didn't chart. It had big video airplay though, like Rockets. You can be right about YAIH. STF wás a single in FLA. The duch page of universal is not complete btw, it's not really useful. HO could be right.
 * As for JSY, yes i have heard it live and it was okay, but it have to grow on me. You can send the song to me, you can find my e-mail adress on the boards of Snow Patrol, username ThePretender. Nice electronic vibe. 20:52, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "I'm 100% sure about the Dutch and Flemish singles" - good then, you know better, you actually live there.

"I even think that STF was a Dutch single too" - The universal site is incomplete, but it does give an indication. (afterall they publish it). But since we dont have confirmation, and this is wikipedia! can we go by what we know for sure right now? if we find confirmation about single release later, we can add it, but for verification's sake?

I'll email you JSY if i find your email, or i'll notify you. Suede67 (talk) 21:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I can add STF on the Dutch page as they aren't really stern about ref's, however it's gonna be tough to do that on the English one so it's okay. The Universal page does give an indication and we can use it, but i was just saying it isn't up to date and releases are missing. I checked my settings and you should'nt have any problem with finding my e-mail on SP.com. ^^ 21:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Great so we reach a consensus, i'm still in the midst of finding your email (wonder why you cannoth post here?), but in the meantime, make a new section and write again... YAIH - CC - etc, with country names separated by commas, so i have the info, and i'll go make the image and mail you back. EDIT: If this is your profile, no email, i think you mention the old forum but cannot find your profile in there. tried to search. Suede67 (talk) 21:50, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's it. I sent you a message there, you're Suede67? I'll pm you my e-mail then. 21:55, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm having troubles logging in the old forums, cant check sorry! (Yes i'm suede67) again. Suede67 (talk) 21:58, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I was mentioning the new forums! But thanks. I removed your e-mail here but i've got it now. 22:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I can now log in the old forum again, turned out they deactivated my a/c for a while because i made some account changes, and didnt send me a mail immediately to reactivate it back. i was thinking i got banned. i got it NOW, so i just reactivated it back. Sorry, very inconvinient. But then again, on the new forum's profile, your email doesnt show, you can update it. Suede67 (talk) 22:05, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That sucks, but at least you have access to the old forum now. Your e-mail doesn't show either and i've set all my preferences "open" and "public" so my mail was supposed to be visible but unfortunatly, it isn't. Bt I emailed you my emailadress (xD) 22:13, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, i'm quite lucky, the old forum stopped taking new members around 15 days after i made an account. I edited my prefs on the dark forum, email should show now though. and emailed you back. Suede67 (talk) 22:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's really lucky! You're mail is indeed visible now. 22:37, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! Btw, i emailed you. Suede67 (talk) 22:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Mail! Suede67 (talk) 23:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You've gone away it seems, i did take a long time, im afraid. Anyway, tomorrow then. By the way, will you help doing the final tasks on Snow Patrol discography, I really want to have a crack at FL. See the to-do list, onmy small tasks remain. Suede67 (talk) 00:33, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I left you on that, I really apologize. I'm going to mail you back later. I did some things on the disco, but i didn't striped them off because i wanted you to take a look first to make sure i did it right. 14:22, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You have mail. I think there isnt more we could do so i'm striking off the task in the to-do list. I'll post it of FLC as soon as i receive your mail. Just let me know if you want to hold off the nomination for any reason.Suede67 (talk) 02:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

SP commons page
link can you write a line or two in dutch there? since 1 commons is available to every language, its helpful. Like here Suede67 (talk) 02:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ 13:23, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Great, more commonts needed to be addressed, if you're still online, help me out! Suede67 (talk) 15:44, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

TLS / UTN / JSY
I missed that before! Great addition, can you add it on the eng page as well, Dutch wont allow me to access the code without signing in. I think the live performance itself is enough to cite as such. But add now, we'll see if anyone removes it. I have a feeling the phrase MIGHT be there on the animated film which will arrive in the Up to Now set. We could cite that. Suede67 (talk) 05:33, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's weird, you should have access to the code, even though its a protected source code. I'll add the text later today. Check this out. I told you it had to take some time to grow! 10:39, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * yes its protected, so i assumed i wont be allowed to copy it too, its fine, you do it later as you can. And yes the larger hits a re a pleasant surprise! Suede67 (talk) 11:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay then. Great news! JSY is the record of the week on the most important radio station in the netherlands! i'm so happy! 13:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is great! Do you have link? We can put this in! Try find something maybe the dutch website of the station? Suede67 (talk) 14:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm really excited about it. This is the link, but i cannot get it archived. Care to try? You can read the description of the "record of the week" on the website in English in Google if you want to. 15:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! The webcite site did not work, but i found another that did! Dont know whts the difference, but its good for now! link. Suede67 (talk) 17:09, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's weird. We'll, the 'alarmschijf' is the #1 of the tipparade next week so it will debut in the top 40 the week after that. Why don't you register on the Dutch wiki? It's a matter of minutes and you have access to the source code if you want to copy something. 21:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Edit: Little idea. How about improving the producer section in the album infobox on Up to Now like this? Like: Garrett Lee (CD1: #1, #3, #5)(CD2: #2, #4, #6) 22:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Good idea! But how to tackle CDi/2? Won't it be too much cramming? Because we do have the details in the big track listing. Suede67 (talk) 03:53, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * People can make a fuss about the large column in the infobox. I don't know, but I'm going to incorporate it on the Dutch wiki. 19:35, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes exactly, and this in fact did come to my mind earlier, but I decided not to do it, because if I did, what should stop me from listing all recording locations a well? Btw, there's some problem with my interent here, so can you please keep a look out for eng SP pages for any vandalism? And add any info that becomes available for JSY/UTN? (Remember to archive pages if necessary, especially the BBC ones, if the song is added to a-lists etc) Because I have no idea what the problem is, and how long it may take to be normal. Only wikipedia opens, and that too very slow. Suede67 (talk) 03:20, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll do my best! Goodluck. 16:42, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

i think...
...i'm back. internet seems to be running okay for now, though there are some glitches, well, atleast most websites, and wiki for one are opening as normal as before. Suede67 (talk) 12:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * also, i added a pic on the JSY page. Do you think its satisfatory, or we need a new one? Suede67 (talk) 13:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think a pic of the third chorus (the climax) would be cooler, but that's just me. :) 14:33, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done, is this one better? I missed those shots before, you're right! Btw, any opinion on the new pic on the main SP article? Suede67 (talk) 14:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * JSY: Better. SP: The picture would fit more on the band member section, don't you think? 15:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Better? Hmmm, do you have another scene in mind? Well, capture it yourself! I used the video on SP's channel (not universal) to capture the shot. Its surprisingly better quality! link Abut the pic, I got the idea from here. Though the existing pic looks too small, i tried to make it bigger, i made another version, that I hope will look better. I think we should wait for a while for it to show up on the main wiki. Here's the old ver. link, and the new link. Notice the difference. If it looks okay, what do you think? Anyway, you ake sense as well, the band members section. But I think, its loaded, and has no space, theres not much whitespace at all in the section to cram the pic in. I feel the older pic was too vague to see how the members look like, this one makes sense to me. but anyway, if you strongly feel it should stay, and in the members section, you can move it there, i just felt like such a pic should be here somewhere. Suede67 (talk) 15:33, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The JSY picture is good, don't change it! You have a point by saying that the SP band pictures are vague. I see the difference, but maybe it would indeed be better if it's somewhat larger. Have you tried to do it in black-white because maybe it will look better in that way (with Radiohead in mind). 16:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I was wanting to make a b/w pic, but failed. can you try? I noticed the nw ver. of the pic was now showing on the article. I chose a new image size, is it large enough? I CAN make a larger pic, meaning thinner size for each member and longer in height (as in Radiohead's) Suede67 (talk) 16:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The pic looks good now. 17:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! Suede67 (talk) 17:09, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

disambiguation fixes
Nice! If possible can you get to these: TBTC, EO and FS Tours, and all singles from Signal Fire till the end (though JSY is over). Suede67 (talk) 16:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't promise that I can do every article today but all articles will be scanned, that's for sure. 16:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem at all! Whats the hurry? Btw, did you contribute anything to The Third Bar's TCP? Suede67 (talk) 16:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw it on the website but didn't knew what it really was so I didn't registered. What is it? 16:20, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I rather not reveal it here, its a secret, thats why Sam locked the post. But the password can easily be obtained. I better email you. But if you want to do something now, its too late, the last date is 20, thats tomorrow. Suede67 (talk) 16:22, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly my point. 16:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Linkin Park/MTM
Hey RichV, please could you tell me where did you see MTM has sold 8 millions albums? (Easy english please i'm french). Mustang 78 (talk) 17:26, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't but I undid your edit because you removed the fact template, while not adding a source for the 6.5 million album count. So if you add a source, I'm fine with it. 20:41, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

"Recognition"

 * 1) WikiProject Discographies. Suede67 (talk) 01:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) List of Wikipedians by featured list nominations. Find yourself here! Suede67 (talk) 10:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no mention of the SP disco on this subpage. I decided not to do it manually because maybe it's something a bot will do. I don't know. 16:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, i noticed it too. I don't think a bot does it. Because the listing (in the 2 linked pages above) have been done by bots. I am guessing someone from the wikipeoject does it. Lets see. The listing should also appear in the wikiproject for alternative music. Suede67 (talk) 17:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Let's just wait it off then :) 20:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, btw, here's conformation, that system is not automated. Suede67 (talk) 21:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you help here?
User:Suede67/Sandbox5. I'm quite lost. I don't think we necessarily need to understand it, just need some logic and common sense, and right now, i'm running on low reserves. Suede67 (talk) 05:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What do I have to do? Make it into one whole context? And you're sure that it is notable on Wikipedia (it would be a waste that your hard work would be deleted). I'll try to help when I can. :) 19:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * yes, it needs to be one block of text, saying the main idea that the band had,which they discussed with the directors, and a list of equipment being used, kind of like here: Vertigo Tour. I'm not so sure if its allowed or not, but i dont find any specific guidelines for tour articles. Plus the source is reliable, so hell with it! :)Suede67 (talk) 19:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The website is a collection of loose pieces text. It's hard to combine it to one context. I'll keep thinking and trying. ;) About JSY: I'm so happy about it. The Nokia advert has helped the song to gain success. 22:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * yes sure, we could only "try". maybe combine the gear into a point by point list, i think thats our only "hope". Suede67 (talk) 23:08, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Small question
Is 3VOOR12 a dutch TV channel? The "multimedia platform" quote doesnt help me! I actually got permission for use of this pic. I also have a video of Elbow performing "One Day Like This" at Pinkpop '09, where "3VOOR12 Live" is at the top-right corner, so I had assumed it before. Suede67 (talk) 12:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. It is a channel who works sometimes with 3FM and focuses on festivals and alternative music. Like 3FM, it is partly financed by the gouvernment. (Like BBC Radio in the UK) 17:32, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. Suede67 (talk) 22:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Spike!
I believe UTN leaked yesterday? Or if it didnt it was still readily available on iTunes. See this spike. Suede67 (talk) 04:28, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Or someone who downloaded the song on the Dutch or Irish iTunes published the album. If not, yes, the album has been leaked because I saw the whole album as a free download on a website yesterday. PS: UTN is mentioned in the list on the release list of Snow Patrol on the Dutch iTunes, but it has disappeared in the charts. I don't download songs on iTunes, but I think that iTunes made a mistake by releasing the album too early. 10:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This always happens! I remember the Irish itunes was letting the planets single (including the bside Heaney) as soon as 1 week before release date. and its not even an album everyone's really waiting for or anything. Suede67 (talk) 11:25, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really professional from iTunes. 22:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

See this...
dance chart: funny how JSY is nowehere to be seen! Also noticed it topped the download chart in NED, is this notable enough to be mentioned? i'm not sure, because its current 2nd on sngle top 100, which is the sum of sales and airplay, so its essentially covered? Suede67 (talk) 07:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * But JSY isn't dance, is it? JSY is the most downloaded track of NL (you can mention that), but not the most purchased CD-single. The single top 100 is the sum of payed downloads and payed CD-singles. So no airplay, it´s the top 40 that adds airplay to the sales numbers. The most purchased CD-song is Mamase from K3, i HATE that band. I'm curious what JSY is gonna do next monday when the new top 40 will be published. The sales are strong, but they don't have the biggest airplay. "Bodies" (R. Willliams), "Stereo Love" (Edward Maya), "Hot" (Inna), "Evacuate the Dancefloor" (Cascada) and probably "Sexy Bitch" (David Guetta) have more radio and televisionspins. "Three Days in a Row" (Anouk) will have a drop in airplay because her new single is gaining. (I looked at a couple of songs above JSY). 11:18, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, i suppose it leans at dance. but i'll mention that...and K3 is an all girl pop band, that definitely sucks! Suede67 (talk) 03:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd indeed say it leans on dance. K3 songs are most of the time jibberish, which makes it more terrible. Today the new top 40 is gonna be published! 15:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Great, today! If you catch it, update if it climbs? Suede67 (talk) 15:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Checked! #4! 19:10, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Incredible! Suede67 (talk) 02:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

UTN
you were going a order a copy, do you have it yet? some IP added track lengths yesterday, and i think some are inaccurate. can you confirm? i dont know how long it will take for my copy to arrive here Suede67 (talk) 12:26, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ 15:27, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh good, so it was kind of correct. I came across "Dark Roman Wine" on youtube with a length of almost 6 minutes so i thought it was all wrong. Suede67 (talk) 15:30, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, I don't really like DRM. I haven't listened the whole album, but I like You Are My Joy and Give Me Strength. :) 16:57, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, i'm yet to listen to the new songs. On the forums also, not many seem to like DRM. (At first i thought you were talking about Digital rights management). Suede67 (talk) 17:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, no, not that definition DRM. You mean the forums of SP? 17:28, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the dark forum, specifically. Cant point out the exact threads though, i forgot where exactly. Suede67 (talk) 17:29, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Charting
Even UTN charted now, sounds good. I'm getting a weird feeling though, have the wrong kind of people started picking them up? Btw, i noticed that JSY didnt climb on Single Top 100, that K3 song is still there. Whens the new Top 40 released? Suede67 (talk) 18:22, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean with wrong people picking it up? JSY lost some dlds and K3's CD-Singles sales are strong. The new Top 40 is next monday. 00:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * By wrong people i mean, like when Chasing cars was released, the band gained lots of fans. but live, most fans just cheer for run and cc and dont really care for other songs. its pretty evident in the audios of concerts. its pretty depressing sometimes. Suede67 (talk) 06:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This is the opportunity for those fans to get familiar with the other songs. In this perspective, it's a good that they're buying the album. In this way, they can get to know the songs like Spitting Games, Chocolate, Wow, Set the Fire, OYE and SF :). SP is doing pretty well in the Netherlands and Belgium! 11:59, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes! And i'm happy for that, i just wouldnt like people to go to SP concerts to listen those handful of songs thats it. Suede67 (talk) 12:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And then be bored about the other songs. Tour's are promotion activities so it can work the opposite way aswell. 20:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, maybe its a downside. Suede67 (talk) 20:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

The show
I tried to do something tour page. See the new section. Also, can you count the number of total concerts? i counted two times, and counted 168 and 165. dont know what i'm doing wrong. lets cross check? Suede67 (talk) 14:29, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't often pay a visit to the page, and I can't watch between revisions because it doesn't want to coorporate! Gonna try it again later.
 * Second:
 * Take Back the Cities Tour 4
 * Australian Tour 3
 * US Tour 8
 * UK & Ireland Arena Tour 20
 * European Tour 10 (1 cancellation)
 * North American Tour 24
 * Sideshows 9
 * Reworked 16
 * Festivals 17 (1 cancellation)
 * Supporting Coldplay 11
 * Sideshows 2
 * Supporting U2 20
 * Sideshows 2
 * Festvals 5
 * Sideshows 3
 * One-off 5
 * Charity 4
 * Cumulates 165 planned shows with two cancellations which makes it 163. I've double checked it. So we still have different numbers. Hmm. 22:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, nicely done. I did it again, i got 165 as well! Suede67 (talk) 22:56, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Consensus! 23:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * YAY!! Suede67 (talk) 23:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

JSY
Is the HitlistWeb site working for you? Its stopped for me. Actually i just noticed that JSY is in the top 40 also indeed! Do you think it can top? Suede67 (talk) 17:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't work for me. I know, i expected to rise but i knew it wasn't going to reach the first position. And i think that #2 is the peak. Btw, i saw your work on the Foo Fighters greatest hits. Nice! 22:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, while randomly searching for SP stuff, i came across that item. I'm a fan of Nirvana, but havent listened to Foo yet, not sure what to expect. Suede67 (talk) 22:38, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I wish you a great listening too the Foo's. My fav's are Best of You, Pretender and atm Wheels. Have fun man. 22:40, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll download these sometime and give a listen, thanks, Suede67 (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Mix
See you. Btw, the last time I did that edit, a user, after some days changed it, as the Infobox template doesnt support mix albums as a type. I have left a message on the talk page here. I hope they listen and add it. Otherwise, i'm pretty sure someone would come and change it again, because as soon we use an unrecognized color, the article shows up here. Also, i think they may counter me by saying that there is already a separate provision for "greatest hits" and "compilation". (See here) So we may be forced to change it back to compilation. Suede67 (talk) 00:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Got a reply already. He made a good point. I wasnt aware of that series. Sorry, would have to change it back. Dont take it otherwise, if I had not raised the question anyway, someone would have done it. It has happened before (when I first wrote the Trip article). See the change done by User Bubba Hotep is the page's history here. When I had written it, I had used "mix". Suede67 (talk) 01:08, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, if it's policy, i'm okay with it. I still find it a bit strange to call Utn the third compilation but i can live with that :). 20:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The article was saying "first"! Happy times? :) Suede67 (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant the things between the 's. 23:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I do remember it being there before, i cannot find it now, nor remember removing it myself (maybe someone else did). Its currently reads: "Up to Now is the first compilation album by alternative rock band Snow Patrol. The album features..." that line itself, right? Suede67 (talk) 23:32, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It was me, thought it was one of the edits i had to made after we came to the mix/compilation conclusion yesterday (friday). link. 01:04, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok then. Suede67 (talk) 01:09, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Talking about negative reviews
(Note: Dont miss above post)

See this review pitchfork. The reviewer is so stupid and ill informed. Read it once...

Done?

Ok good.

Now...

He BASES his review upon the assumption that its a greatest hits. The band has been saying it practially in every interview that its NOT a greatest hits. Dont reviewers do a lil basic research? Also, he says bad things about PPP, its saddening. Its a dance/dj type song, which SP made rock-ish. Its not SUPPOSED to have lyrics like a normal rock song would have. What do you think of the review. Btw, i dont mind negative reviews, but this one is stupid. Suede67 (talk) 01:55, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


 * A good reviewer does some background research, so to assume it's a greatest hits album is a big error from his side. But if i google PPP, i can't find a link to a website that gives me more inside information about the song, though a reviewer has to have other sources so he could've done that better. It deff isn't a good review. He didn't even pointed positive things out, because the grade he gave isn't too much below the average. 20:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly! I understand PPP hasnt got coverage, but a simple search would have brought up Cut La Roc's name! I emailed the guy and pointed out all this. The only remotely positive thing he did point out was that SP, though "similar to Coldplay" and U2 dont say political things on stage. Suede67 (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Some minor things, but not really notable. 23:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

'Best of'
(Note: Don't miss above 2 posts.)

See this statement by Gary here: "Some bands don't get much say in their own best-of." Do you think hes indrectly referring the Foo Fighters? Found that interesting. Suede67 (talk) 03:13, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Could be, but it also could be to other bands releases in the past. But assuming that SP's influences originally were Nirvana (with Foo's Grohl in it), the possibility is there. 20:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes! Suede67 (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

GA
In your time editing (on the english wiki), have you ever taken an article to GA? I suspect UTN/JSY both may be eligible for promotion, with some tweaks. Suede67 (talk) 01:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I have never done that, because the most edits I make aren't big contributions. We can try to get those articles to GA, I can help you if you need it. 17:04, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * YES! I would need all the help I can get! I had also asked another friend (hes gone through GAs/FAs) and he had some suggestions, but we're generally good. I made "ToDo" lists on UTN and JSY's talk page. If you have time, you can work on them. Suede67 (talk) 18:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ToDo lists are good, the best way to do such things. I'll try to help when I can :). 18:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, its clear now what is to be done. Suede67 (talk) 19:05, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * JSY: "In all refs sourced from snowpatrol.com, add "The Eskimos" as the author and the date of the press release." I checked all the SP.com refs and this is already the case so I don't get it why it's on the todo list. 21:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, I didnt check it before adding that, I assumed I might have missed some as I recently started adding them. Suede67 (talk) 21:53, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha okay. Imo, the article is overreferenced. Like the part about Scherzingers reaction, there has to be some articles where we could take more refs from. I mean like 4 refs from 2 articles i.s.o. 4 refs from 4 articles. 21:56, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point! I too have though that, but never got round thinking what to do about it. Can you do it? Make it a task on the todo list as well? I'm going now, see you later. Btw, the recent edit you made, you made one small capitalization error (check the diff). I'm not changing it, because i dont want to cause an edit conflict. Suede67 (talk) 22:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll see what i can do. thanks for the error notice (i did a small edit on utn today, but you conflicted me xD). Have a good night. 22:08, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Page views
Incredible spike after the 1st Rew. Tour concert! Suede67 (talk) 20:41, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's great! It's partly because of the UtN release but that's a small portion of it. Go SP! 21:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Weird
maybe that IP was right? Suede67 (talk) 04:26, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I was looking around when I saw his edit, but couldn't find anything. I'd rather have GMS, but I'm fine with this song aswell. Gonna look for more sources though. 14:33, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * True. I searched quite a bit, didnt find anything else. Maybe its just a random single, just like you can find singles from "Live at Royal Albert Hall" and "Live in Toronto" types, seen those? But, personally, i'd LOVE Olive Grove to be a proper single, it could get more people get into the earlier albums. Suede67 (talk) 14:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Like I did hehe. Yeah, I really tought that aswell, it could make people listen to older stuff. I'm gonna make a draft for the single in my sandbox though. 14:58, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I was going to do that! But it'd be cool nonetheless. I'd edit on your place, if you dont mind (thats if we find anything) Suede67 (talk) 15:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm sorry for my vagueness, but I was talking about a Dutch one. But I can do a English draft aswell. But it could be a idea that we work seperately on the articles (Me with the dutch ofcourse) so we can complement eachother. What do you think? I stumbled upon articles about Disaster Button on your sandbox (was checking if you already made a draft) and that made me expanding the Dutch AHMS article with a theme paragraph.
 * Yeah, cool, like JSY you mean? Fine both ways to me. That sandbox page is just full of links i intend to use fully someday. There do seem to be a few of "Disaster Buton", as you point out. But I dont know if they have enough info for a separate article. Right now, those I intend to use on the AHMS article in a section called "Music and lyrics" or something like that. Suede67 (talk) 15:21, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Btw: what is missing on the SP page (both NL and EN) is a paragraph with critics. What people like about SP and what people don't. Also, the use of themes could be incorporated in a paragraph. 15:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, i have those ideas, you might have noticed the new sections "views on music" and "charity work" i recently made on the SP article. These, and the "what people think of SP" section have been in my mind for very long, (i especially want to write about the comparisons eith keane/coldplay, and that sort of thing. but i've noticed i dont generally find things i'm searching for, hence those massive amount of links on that sandbox, "for someday in future".) and i finally got around doing those 2. someday, maybe i'll do everything! Suede67 (talk) 15:21, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, nice. It just were suggestions I came up with when I was bored. They don't have priority (when I read my response, i realise that i sounded very arrogant xD). I think the title can be changed though (charity work to philantrophy?). The views on music paragraph is very good thought of! Yeah, in a criticism paragraph, you can add the comparisons to keane, coldplay and u2. Btw, "Same" of FS is also in 3/4 signature. 15:46, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "They don't have priority (when I read my response, i realise that i sounded very arrogant xD)." - NO! I didnt think so.
 * "charity work to philantrophy?" - Sure. Sounds better. I checked the meaning now, I had been thinking that was the term for coin collection. Btw, if you have sources, start the criticism section yourself? Suede67 (talk) 16:27, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll going to look for some links on the criticism (like in album review pages) and try to make a start. I don't know very much about AOGFTS so the dutch draft of the song is very short. gonna need some more information on that, so i'll keep an eye on your draft. 20:09, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Great. i'll start from your draft. Suede67 (talk) 20:23, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It isn't much, but I hope you can work something out of it XD. 20:28, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

...
What do you think of this? Suede67 (talk) 20:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done! I saw you working on this in your sandbox and you've finished very quickly. I learned something xD. 21:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, there isnt much sources on him unfortunately. I had this in mind for so long, but didnt start for the lack of sources. Btw, got a friend to nomonate for a DYK: link Btw, wish to start Olive Grove next, dont know what to put, almost impossible to find sources from those years. Suede67 (talk) 21:42, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't knew him until today. :) But why did you put his article on DYK instead of something more Snow Patrol-ish? I'm waiting for your draft to get more information on the dutch draft. I don't know very much about the song nor the album its on. 22:10, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you serious? You had never heard of Bradley before?! He's a legend. I'm really surprised. Anyway, DYK is eligible only for newly created articles, or those articles that have been expanded 5 times recently. That's a LOT. Take any SP article, no one is that short and " massively expandable". Say an article/list is 2kb right now, it must be 10kb or more, and all that change "recently" thats within 5 days or so, to be eligible on DYK. If any SP article we want to do now, we must expand it wholly on the sandbox, and manage a 5x expansion, and only then we can give one. Suede67 (talk) 22:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I am serious. I don't know very much about the background of the members except Gary. Thanks for informing me about DYK, I didn't knew that aswell hehe. They have more rules on the English wiki than on the Dutch one. 22:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, you better start reading the articles also, aside from editing them! Suede67 (talk) 22:23, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I should! Anyway, I searched websites with information on the OG 09 release today, but couldn't find anything. 22:36, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Same here, well going now. See you tomorrow. 'nite... Suede67 (talk) 22:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)