User talk:Richmondian/Archive1

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Re adding contentious material
Please do not re add material to an article repeatedly that has been removed as a BLP protection. Off2riorob (talk) 14:25, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the Richmond rape article
If you have any issues regarding this article please add them to the discussion here at the BLP Noticeboard and wait for replies to your comments, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 14:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Your note on the AfD
Apart from the fact that you haven't explained why the article should be kept (see WP:ITSNOTABLE), would you like to explain why my rationale - which linked to policy - is frivolous? Black Kite 15:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have explained -- please respond there. Richmondian (talk) 15:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello,. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Black Kite 19:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This is quite simple. An AfD has a nominator's statement, followed by a single "vote" from each editor.  You are also welcome to make comments in the main body of the discussion (as you have).  Please stop misplacing your comments in the discussion, they do not belong anywhere but in the main body of it.  Trying to place big bold comments at the top is not allowed, and will be reverted. Black Kite 18:48, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it wouldn't, I'm afraid. You've already included it in your rationale.  Bold it there if you want, but as I'm sure you can appreciate, if we didn't have a structure to the discussions and everyone placed their comments anywhere they wanted, it would render them completely unreadable. Black Kite 19:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Every single time you mess about with the formatting of the discussion you will be reverted. This time?  Bright red, and above the "notaballot" notice. Honestly. Next time, I am going to drop a note onto WP:ANI about this disruption.  If everyone else can comply with the standard format on WP:AFD, why are you unable to? Black Kite 19:12, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

3RR
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2009_Richmond_High_School_gang_rape. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Off2riorob (talk) 19:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

ANI
You have been mentioned in a threads at ANI here
 * Pursuant to this thread, I have reverted your latest edit. Please review the instructions on how to correctly comment at AfD. Failure to follow these instructions may result in your account being temporarily blocked. TN X Man  19:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Some helpful (I hope) advice
I've been following the AfD discussion of 2009 Richmond High School gang rape. You clearly have a lot of interest in this. That's good. And you want to improve Wikipedia. That's also good. What isn't good is the aggressiveness with which you are trying to pursue your goals. I've often found that on Wikipedia, the more forceful someone is in pushing an agenda, the less likely others are to listen, even those who would otherwise agree. AfD really isn't a vote...it's about who can do the best job of applying policy to the situation at hand. If you say what you need to say once, clearly and effectively, you'll have done your part.

Also, keep in mind that very few things on wikipedia are personal. If someone wants to delete an article you wrote, that doesn't mean they want to delete you, or even that you did something wrong. The first article I wrote got deleted (speedily deleted in fact; there is no discussion for those). It was obnoxious, but it was also the right action for the admins to take, as I realized later. I'd recommend you try your hand at editing existing articles before you start creating new ones...it's a lot more likely that your work will "stick" when you make minor improvements to articles.

Finally, while I did !vote to delete the article, it isn't because I think it's a bad article. I actually thought it was quite good...well-written, well-sourced, and well-organized. I just don't think it's appropriate for Wikipedia right now. I'm not sure if anyone has pointed you in the direction of Wikinews yet...it's sorta like Wikipedia, except it's specifically FOR the type of news article you're trying to write here. Give it a try over there and you should get a better reception. . MirrorLockup (talk) 20:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's very frustrating when something you spent so much time on gets deleted. That's why I generally recommend working on existing articles before you dive into writing new ones...you'll get a better feel for what's appropriate and will have less chance of wasted effort.
 * Colorado balloon incident...there's another one that should be on Wikinews instead of Wikipedia. I'm not surprised a 16-year-old did so much work on these...a lot of high school students are prolific Wikipedia editors.  A few are even admins.  High school students are learning to write and do research, and they generally have a lot of free time, so why not?
 * I hope you'll stick around, either here, on Wikinews, or both...AfD discussions are very messy and it's easy to get a bad first experience from one, but things are generally much nicer in the less contentious areas... MirrorLockup (talk) 16:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Contentious material
Please be aware the article is sensitive, Iif you want to reinsert any material that has been previously deleted, go to the talkpage and wait to see if there is agreement that your edits should be included. Off2riorob (talk) 21:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Do not replace this material unless you hacve any suport for your addition or I will report you.Off2riorob (talk) 21:22, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

for the record, this editor refuses to do anything but revert and threaten. i've tried to engage him on the talk page but to no avail. very sad. Richmondian (talk) 21:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

EC. For the record, I am totally available for discussion. I don't care about my toes, please accept you have 100 edits here and take advice, take care not to add contentious material to the article, try this ...unless you have support for an addition from an experienced editor then do not add it, that way if you go slow we will get on fine. Off2riorob (talk) 21:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As I have commented, you are a new editor and the article is contentious and I recommend you look to see if there is any support for your additions, especially if they have previously been removed. As far as reporting you goes, it is not something that I want to do, rather I would prefer it if you took your time and took some advice from other experienced editors. Off2riorob (talk) 22:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

hello,
What do you mean exactly?Regisfugit (talk) 00:02, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

It is a terrible, repulsive case. It doesn't seem like wikipedia is very transparent by not allowing open sourced names, which are all over the media and court documents. I am local..Regisfugit (talk) 00:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not the news - that would be WikiNews. We have obligations that the presses don't have and futhermore, if there are legal issues around what's being added to that article, I can pretty-much guarantee that you and others will be nowhere to be found. Pseudonymous editing tends to make people more relaxed over what they write here, given their real name is not attached to their words. It's a heinous crime - no mistake - but we need to be very careful and deliberate over who we name and who we accuse of doing what, given the profile Wikipedia has on-line - A l is o n  ❤ 06:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * alison, why are you on my page?   and your talk page is set up so i can't edit it.  you might take another gander at WP:NOTNEWS.   i would guess you haven't actually read it.  Richmondian (talk) 08:03, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Alison has been an admin for a long time, I'm sure she has. I'd suggest you Assume good faith.-- SKATER  Speak. 21:13, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Did I say anything that sounded like I wasn't assuming good faith?  Hmmmm....sorry if it came across that way,  I really don't see it.  Richmondian (talk) 23:17, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

answer to your question
You asked where to discuss the deletion policy. Maybe here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_policy

Or if you don't want to change policy but just discuss how to have the policy applied in a fair and consistent way, maybe here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion This page doesn't seem to have a lot of traffic. WP:AN has more traffic and is where administrator's look (administrators decide on the AFD's). However, this is touchy because some people will say that the AN board is the police station and to take the matter elsewhere. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 21:34, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Email please?
Can you please email me? I have a question or two I'd like to ask you - A l is o n  ❤ 03:32, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Richmondian - I really need an email from you at this point - A l is o n  ❤ 05:13, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

— (talk • contribs) may be a deletionist
Some jokes are more amusing than others. Generally, WP tries to avoid the pointy ones. In my view, creating a template that appears to be trying to influence an AFD discussion is not a co-operative act. Bielle (talk) 23:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:deleter
This template you created serves only to label people and is not helpful to the goal of facilitating discussion to decide matters. Please do not apply it to other editors, no matter if they share your point of view in a particular discussion or not. Also, I have nominated it for deletion at Templates for discussion. I understand your goal to try and keep an article you have created but using such templates and methods will prove to be counterproductive to the idea of having a policy-based discussion of arguments for and against deletion. Regards  So Why  23:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

AIV
Regarding your recent report of 76.102.194.113 at AIV: The recent contributions from that IP do not appear to be vandalism, but a content dispute. I haven't looked very deeply into the situation but you may be better off seeking dispute resolution instead. Based solely on the edits since the warnings, it looks like there are some valid contributions. Kafziel Complaint Department 01:03, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

e-mail...
Do you know a way that I can e-mail you? I have a question for you. Ericsean (talk) 02:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Over on the left-hand side you'll see a bunch of things you can do under headings like Navigation, Interaction, Toolbox.  5th thing in the Toolbox is "E-mail this user", which only shows up when you are on an editor's page or discussion/talk page. (you can also just click here:  Special:EmailUser/Richmondian )
 * You might need to register your own email address for it to work.  Richmondian (talk) 07:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Reverting
Please leave the artcle alone untill I have finished looking at it. Off2riorob (talk) 16:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

where is this cited from? Chavis also tended to call all non-Caucasian students, including African Americans, "darkies." Off2riorob (talk) 16:43, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, ta for the links, another editor has again removed the darkies comment, it is a bit excessive and taken out of context, BLP applies on all comments about living people even if the article is not a BLP. Add some cites there if you have them and remove anything that is not cited, take care not to take comments out of context as it can portray people in a bad light, we are here to reflect the citations and the details in a neutral light, try this...find an article about someone you really dislike and add what you would consider to be a positive comment about them. Have you considered the comments about requesting a mentor to guide you? Off2riorob (talk) 17:13, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok ask the other editor (Kafiel) if you want to replace the darkies comment, I would suggest adding a bit more of the comment to explain the reasons or motivations for doing it, as it was it just made the guy appear to be a racist, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 17:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

American Indian Public Charter School
At this point, the edits you're making at the above article appear to be verging on attacking the principal. The page is about the school, not the man, and even if the additions cite sources it's still important not to give undue weight to them in relation to the rest of the article. It seems that the same point could be made with two or three quotes, and additions such as this one really seem to serve no purpose but to disparage the subject. Please consider toning it down a bit, and focus on the school itself. Kafziel Complaint Department 20:14, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

notice
Hi, I have opened a thread regarding your edits to the American Indian Public Charter School article here. Regards. Off2riorob (talk) 20:59, 11 November 2009 (UTC)