User talk:Rick36502

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Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your recent contributions seem to be advertising or for promotional purposes. Wikipedia does not allow advertising. For more information on this, see: If you still have questions, there is a new contributor's help page, or you can write   below this message along with a question and someone will be along to answer it shortly. You may also find the following pages useful for a general introduction to Wikipedia: I hope you enjoy editing Wikipedia! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Feel free to write a note on the bottom of my talk page if you want to get in touch with me. Again, welcome! E8 (talk) 03:20, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
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Conflict of Interest
Per WP:COI I am disclosing that I own and maintain the following websites:

www.make-biodiesel.org www.svotutorial.org www.kitchen-biodiesel.org www.b100supply.com www.making-biodiesel.com

I also sell a self published book on how to make biodiesel.

As you can tell, biodiesel is may passion. Rick36502 (talk) 01:47, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Dispute over Removal of External Link
What changed that warranted removing the link after years of supporting it?

www.make-biodiesel.org was recently removed from the external links section of Biodiesel and Biodiesel production after being in it for nearly two years. I'm sorry for the length but when pressed for details the editor kept offering different excuses for pruning the link. The length is required to rebut each excuse.


 * Wikipedia is not a collection of links. This seems to be the quick out of hand response to any external link question. The site had enough value to wiki readers that it was included for years, only recently being removed, and not for this reason.

The reasons given here for removing the link was:

I recently removed it as 1) the site now contains numerous adverts, 2) it is directly linked to a commercial site, and 3) the status of contributors (apparently not a wiki, expertise not established) and owners (WHOIS is proxied) is unknown. Prior discussions have noted that posting the links to the DMOZ Open Directory is a good solution, since it eliminates the need for inclusion debate, though at that time the page was link-spammed much more frequently.

To address points 1) and 2) an advertisement free page was developed www.make-biodiesel.org/wlp. Accoding to WP:ELNO (item 5) Links to individual ... web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising. should be avoided. The included reference emphasises the objection should be to the specific page and not the site.

per WP:ADV Wikipedia uses the same standards for evaluating links to websites owned by for-profit and (real or purported) non-profit organizations

As for objection 3) WP:ELNO item 12 says "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors" Aside from the obvious that the site is not a WIKI, it is also not open, as in any content must be approved before it is published, unlike an "open wiki".

Finally I am unable to find any WP policy that suggests posting a link to DMOZ as a way to eliminate inclusion debate is a valid option for editors.

From the Biodiesel view history page: 20:59, 30 April 2011‎ E8(talk | contribs)‎ (68,143 bytes) (→External links: rm link appropriate for DMOZ) (undo)

There is no guideline suggesting a link to DMOZ can replace External Links. NONE! In Fact, this editor did not prune all the links found on the DMOZ page, which brings the stated reason for pruning into question.

I beleive that www.make-biodiesel.org is a valuable resource of benifit to wiki readers and should be put back up on the external links section of both Biodiesel and Biodiesel production. In my opinion it is the best reference for small scale biodiesel production on the Internet. It has over 200 articles related to making bodiesel as a hobby and on the farm. Topics range from basic to advanced. Biodiesel Talk Page

From the view history page of the Biodiesel Production page: 04:33, 20 December 2011‎ E8(talk | contribs)‎ (17,981 bytes) (→External links: Link pruning - O.R. content and old info) The links is reported to be pruned here because the page had O.R. WP:OR content. the old info reference is to a broken link.

I can not find any reference to Original Research in the WP:EL. I can find in the WP:ELPOINTS 1.This guideline does not apply to inline citations or general references. In the WP:OR the opening line is: Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. It also applies to sources used for article content, and for references used to support article content. It does not say anywhere that it is required for External links.

If anyone can show any credible guidence that supports pruning external links because they contain Original Content, Please post it here!!

What changed that warranted removing the link after years of supporting it?:.

Rick36502 (talk) 01:36, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Systemic bias against websites with advertising
Systemic bias is built into everything we do. Wikipedia recognizes this WP:BIAS and has taken steps to prevent certain types of systemic bias. One subject with a systemic bias addressed by the guidelines is a bias against linking to websites with a profit motive. Wikipedia has a specific policy WP:ADV that addresses this bias.


 * Wikipedia uses the same standards for evaluating links to websites owned by for-profit and (real or purported) non-profit organizations. Links to potentially revenue-generating web pages are not prohibited, even though the website owner might earn money through advertisements, sales, or (in the case of non-profit organizations) donations. Choose which pages to link based on the immediate benefit to Wikipedia readers that click on the link, not based on the organization's tax status or your guess at whether the website's owner might earn money from the link.

Rick36502 (talk) 12:06, 22 January 2012 (UTC)