User talk:Rifleman 82/Archive 6 (End Apr 2008)

Creating structural formulas
Hi Rifleman_82 I tried to supply some structural formulas of various molecules but I've run into a problem. I'm using Chemdraw Ultra and it can't export to svg. I therefore tried to create them as *.tiff and then convert them with Inkscape to *.svg. It turns out that no matter what file format I create in Chemdraw converting them with Inkscape always fails. Have you ever come across this problem? 128.176.151.59 (talk) 18:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi there

I personally use ChemSketch 10; in my experience, most commercial software do not have SVG support. Perhaps you can use Irfanview to convert TIFF to PNG? Alternatively, there are some other software like Chemtool and BKChem. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 00:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I just had do decrease the resolution of the exported pics. Inkscape can't coinvert 13k*8k size pics. Thanks anyways. 128.176.150.20 (talk) 12:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikibreak
Just wondering if you are going to take the wikibreak notification off your user page? Cheers. Earth bending master  03:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Forgot about that, thanks for the reminder. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 03:22, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem, I meant talk page too, but but did not realize it was on there until now. Cheers. Earth bending master  03:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Chemical bonds template
I know it needs fixing and I was planning on doing it nowish. I just wanted to make sure the revamping I did is ok with other users before I went ahead and switched to position of the template on the articles. Nergaal (talk) 19:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Quinoline
I wondered that myself. Thank you for the suggestion. I just posted on the chemistry projects because the article was listed under the chemistry project. Will repost. There is some information that could be gleaned from someone more knowledgeable on chemistry than myself. Including information regarding analogs and variants on quinoline, such as quinolate and quinolinic acid. Which is more specifically the compounds to which I was referring. --Jmcclare (talk) 19:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Admin issue
Could you use some of your administrative powers to harness User:78.86.90.144? This person is ranting about NaF conspiracies. Thanks,--Smokefoot (talk) 23:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've given him a warning; he deserves at least one. I'll monitor and act accordingly. Hope this helps. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 08:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:MWO Tamalingam.jpg
Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:MWO Tamalingam.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Ricky81682 (talk) 09:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Wiki Project Chemistry
Some time ago I have put my name down as a potential contributor to this project, but unwittingly the username letters were all-capitalised, hence the present entry is invalid. Would you be kind enough to change the all-capitalised name on the list to LouisBB, or let me know if I can do it, by, for instance, putting my proper username down and deleting the previous invalid entry, or by using another method. LouisBB (talk) 20:09, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, fixed. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 03:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. Do you have a step-by-step note on how to assist at an IRC meeting (Walkerma seems to be away) LouisBB (talk) 06:47, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, what you mean by "assist". Walkerma's been named chair by default, and dmacks usually logs and publishes the transcripts. It'd be great if you could join us in discussing! See WikiProject Chemistry/IRC Discussions on how. If you have a more specific question, I might be able to answer better. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 06:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * What the Q wanted to ask really: what the mechanics are to join and to listen in, as I am a bit green on computer discussions, only did it once, some time ago. Where do I get guidance on how it is done? LouisBB (talk) 07:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The quickest way for you to get in is to go to http://java.freenode.net/. This is a java-based irc client which allows you access to the freenode servers which we are in. Look for channel #wikichem. We're there every Tuesday at 1600 GMT. Do let me know if you need any help. Once you're there, I can advise you on more sophisticated methods. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 07:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I seem to have problems: I get into javasoft, http://java.freenode.net/ but when I click on the 'connect' button Internet closes down with an error message. (I have presumed that my nickname was the one supplied by the service and I only changed the channel Number to wikichem). LouisBB (talk) 15:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Louis, try downloading mIRC from www.mirc.com, and run that? --Rifleman 82 (talk) 16:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Ethanol
You recently reverted an edit on the ethanol page which is actually correct. Combustion reactions do emit heat and putting it in the reaction equation is correct. just thought I'd let you know in case you think it's vandalism being reverted.  M e d o s  (talk • contribs) 11:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * As a practicing chemist, I am well aware that heat is evolved. But, a better, more professional way to express it would be to give the enthalpy of reaction than to add "heat" to the equation. Bearing in mind that "heat" in no way balances the equation. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 11:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That's true. I will admit that my knowledge of kJ mol-1 is a bit weak and I definitely wouldn't know the value off hand let alone how it should be presented on wikipedia. You make a good point.  M e d o s  (talk • contribs) 11:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of ASEAN kechil
I have nominated ASEAN kechil, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/ASEAN kechil. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 02:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC) Never mind, accident. TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 02:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Found it, it was the kechil/kecil spelling discrepancy that threw me off initially. It seems as if kechil is correct but it's kecil in the article. Wasn't sure if that was a romanization discrepancy TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 04:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd think it's a Malaysian/Indonesian romanization problem, but I'm not the expert. I'll check that for you. They both have a very similar language, but due to the British and Dutch colonial masters, their romanizations are slightly different. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 04:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Makes sense, I'm not familiar with either language beyond the occasional phrase but from my time in Japan I'm fairly familiar with transliteration issues. Have a nice day! TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 04:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

SAR-21
I had an idea something like this would happen. I was planning to remove the weasel words first and then think up of how to use the citation later. If it'll stay that way, the weasel words must be removed. Who is the "some" in this statement?  bibliomaniac 1  5  04:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've removed the offending statement and restored the source.  bibliomaniac 1  5  04:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I respect what you are doing (removing weasel words), but I'm still not quite convinced that to remove the claim that "some call it an .. excellent rifle" (some = Cutshaw) is the best thing to do. Is it better to say that "Charles Cutshaw, a writer for ..., thinks that the rifle is .... "? --Rifleman 82 (talk) 04:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that would be very NPOV, and that would seem like a trivial addition.  bibliomaniac 1  5  00:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Chem-awb Reference Section Bug
CHEM-AWB appears to occasionally add duplicate reference sections to articles it edits, e.g. here it's adding 3 to disodium citrate and here it adds 2 to sebacoyl chloride -- atropos235 ✄ (blah blah, my past) 06:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. I tried to check all the entries by hand, but I guess I missed some of them. I'll try to find all the problem entries and fixed them. Thanks! --Rifleman 82 (talk) 07:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Me3SnCl - give us a day or two
We'll get these new articles semi-fixed soon, they are just coming on line this week These articles might not be great, but they'll be better than placeholders. You are welcome to critique them - and to rm crappy references and other bad info. Ben is inserting pictures. The students are not very good about wikifying, the emphasis is on semi-intelligently describing chemistry.--Smokefoot (talk) 03:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey there Smokefoot


 * Thanks for your note. Do you want me to be hands-off and leave the students be, for pedagogical value? Or would you welcome help tidying up references, wikifying, images, etc? I'll be happy to do that. Cheers. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 03:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If you are willing to play along, restrict yourself to cat's, wikifying, and format-actions. For the next week or so, I am trying to get them to get the English and chemistry concepts repaired.  You are welcome to leave them suggestions on their talk pages (Ben noticed that one character thinks that carbon diselenide is nonlinear).  Their skills at Chemdraw are also uneven.--Smokefoot (talk) 05:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll be more than happy to play along. Since I am relatively free for the moment, I'll be more than willing to guide them on the article talks, or on my talk if you would like. Perhaps you would like them to take a look at WikiProject_Chemicals/Style_guidelines. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 05:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Pumpmeup
Was a block of this user really necessary? He had stopped vandalizing, wasn't really warned, and this appears to be an isolated fit of madness by an otherwise productive editor. I really think a block is overkill in this case. --Bongwarrior (talk) 07:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * And not to nitpick, but you blocked as a vandalism-only account for one edit, three and a half hours after the fact? I'm sure you have your reasons, but this also appears to be an overreaction in my opinion. --Bongwarrior (talk) 07:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Bongwarrior


 * As you are aware, WP:BLOCK affords the admin a great deal of latitude in dealing with problem users.


 * My approach has been to block users with literally no edits other than vandalism indefinitely; if they wish to come back, they can ask to be unblocked, or they can (preferably) come back as a new user without the baggage of an ex-vandal. On the other hand, I never indef-block users who have made productive contributions. I've pursued this course in dealing with vandals for quite a while, and I must say this is the first time I've received a complaint.


 * In the case of pumpmeup, I felt that as an aspiring admin, his actions and retort on his talk page were all the more egregious. If you do feel that he does not deserve to be blocked, or deserves a shorter block, I will respect any admin actions you take. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 07:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the prompt reply, and thank you for explaining your reasoning. I still don't think that a block was strictly necessary in either case, mostly because they seem to be punitive rather than preventative blocks. But, I can certainly understand where you're coming from, even if I would have given more leeway. Although I'm tempted to unblock, doing so would pretty much be taking a shit on your judgment, which isn't what I intended to do. Thank you, by the way, for respecting my judgment enough to allow for an unblock, but things are probably best left as they are for now. Take care. --Bongwarrior (talk) 08:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Block?
Thanks for blocking me - I never thought anyone would do it! But I wasn't serious. Please take a look at my unblock request. Cheers,  Pump me  up (via sock) 08:55, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for unblocking me - I only just noticed the above conversation. Could you please let me know when/where I've had "anger/frustration management issues on quite a frequent basis"? Cheers,  Pump me  up (via sock) 09:03, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This would be one incident, the others I saw through your "previous RfA". Or, I might be mistaken, since you don't really want to talk about that. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 09:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Honestly I think anyone could be given a bit of leeway for an outburst twice in the two years they have spent hundreds of hours contributing to the project. I must say that was a poor judgment call, under the circumstances. Be careful with the blockhammer - it's very easy to scare away a contributor by giving them a kick in the face when they're down hours (not to mention two hours after the fact). And I just want to let you know that your tone comes across as very harsh and uppish (saying what another person "wants" or "thinks" without quoting them) - of course that's just how I read it. I'm glad you've seen the error of your ways (oh the hypocriticism!). Cheers,  Pump me  up  09:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I was trying to understand how a normally productive editor might go crazy and vandalize a few pages, and I viewing your past contributions, thought you might have some issues. If you don't have such issues, please accept my apologies. That said, I believe editors should never have such "outbursts" at all in the first place. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 09:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, they shouldn't - I just stopped caring. But still it would have been nice to get at least one warning before a block.  Pump me  up  19:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You should know the policies here well enough that I needn't remind you. (Emphasis added):"Warning is not a prerequisite for blocking (particularly with respect to blocks for protection) but administrators should generally ensure that users are aware of policies, and give them reasonable opportunity to adjust their behaviour accordingly, before blocking. Users who have been made aware of a policy and have had such an opportunity, and accounts whose main or only use is forbidden activity (sock-puppetry, obvious vandalism, personal attack, and so on) may not require further warning." --Rifleman 82 (talk) 19:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Pumpmeup again
Is there something that can be done to remove Pumpmeup's profane edit summary on my Talk page, particularly the last word? I have two daughters who sometime look at what I do on Wikipedia, and they both know enough Spanish to understand what he wrote. By the way, Pumpmeup reverted your last post on his Talk page regarding his personal attack on me. And another admin took away his rollback privilege for misuse. I never heard of Pumpmeup until I saw his vandalism on Joseph Priestley, which I have worked on and was watching for vandalism by anons when it appeared on the Main Page. It looks like this guy has made some useful contributions to Wikipedia, and has received accolades for it. He appears to be self-destructing over the failure of his (second?) RfA. I hope something can be done to save him. Is there someone he respects who can mentor him? He seems to have good potential, but he is not in a good place right now. Finell (Talk) 02:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Finell, so sorry about this mess.


 * Specifically with regard to your question, I have deleted that particular edit revision. That means that ordinary users will not be able to see it, though administrators will (after a fashion) if they are specifically looking for it. If you prefer, I can get it oversighted - nobody can see it at all. I do think that is unnecessary, though. Your choice ultimately.


 * Hope I have been of help. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 04:50, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * What you did regarding the edit history of my Talk page is sufficient. I don't mind that admins can see his graffiti. Thanks very much. I do hope he calms down or gets some help. Finell (Talk) 16:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

William E. Baxter Jr. vs. the United States
Hey Rifle,

Thanks for the edits... I always forget the categories!Balloonman (talk) 05:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Always a pleasure, working with you :) --Rifleman 82 (talk) 05:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

RfA
No, I haven't come across this editor before, but he looks like a good candidate. I notice he's interacted with User:Nrcprm2026 on the Uranium trioxide article, which would be a good experience to discuss in the nomination. Tim Vickers (talk) 18:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Griffinrc
But isn't advertising anything in a userpage againest wikipedia policy? refer to What I may not have on my userpage Advertising or promotion of a business or non-Wikipedia-related organization (such as purely commercial sites or referral links) is not allowed on userpages. Momusufan (talk) 20:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Sembawang Hot Springs
Do you mind rectifying the orphaned Chinese version link to Sembawang Hot Springs? The Chinese version is quite neutral on that so called reason of "Blatant copyright infringement" for Sembawang Hot Springs. If I remember correctly, F&N did bottled some of these water into their own label (dubbed the "Seletaris") back in the 1980's. Anyway, F&N has stopped selling this brand of water since they adopted "Ice Mountain" as their money spinner since 1989. Dave1185 (talk)Signed: Dave1185 (talk • contribs) 08:05, 3 March 2008 (UTC). Roger so far, over~!


 * What exactly do you want me to do? I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 11:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, first thing first, you did deleted the entire English version of the Sembawang Hot Springs leaving the Chinese version of it dangling there, am I right to say so? And what do you propose to do now to help rectify it? I mean, you can't just leave it as it is, right? Dave1185 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, the English page was a copyvio, thus meeting criteria for speedy deletion The Chinese page (zh:三巴旺溫泉)is on the Chinese wikipedia - apart from inter-wiki links, the Chinese wikipedia is a separate project. It is common for different wikipedias to have different content. What is the problem now? --Rifleman 82 (talk) 19:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Thus ended our conversation, I would try to get the Chinese version translated into English version and help rectify this but my Chinese no good, wish I could get someone to help. Dave1185 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:11, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

re: Calculus and Fluoride
Greetings. I took the weekend off (that is away from the computer), so I haven't had a chance to respond until now. It's always encouraging to know when somebody gets good use out of Karl's Calculus Tutor. If there is even one student out there who completed calculus but who wouldn't have without KCT, then my mission in writing it is fulfilled. Of course I can never know that for sure. Regarding articles on fluoridation, I was actually somewhat surprised that the sodium fluoride article would attract conspiracy theorists. I thought that interest in fluoridation conspiracies had faded away back in the mid 1970's. Anyway, as you note, the controversy aspect of it is best covered in the appropriate section of the article on fluoridation, and not in the sodium fluoride article (or any other article on a specific compound). You probably recall that a few weeks ago when I first encountered a fluoridation rant in sodium fluoride, my reaction was to trim it of its hyperbole, but leave it's basic statement intact. But I have come to agree with you that such additions need to be simply removed. Karl Hahn (T) (C) 17:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment on SPANphos page
Did you mean to apply GFDL-self to image:Trans vs cis ligand.png? --Rifleman 82 (talk) 20:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I received your comment regarding GFDL copyright tag for an image I was using titled "Trans vs cis ligand.png." This is my first contribution and I do not fully understand how the copyright tags work, but in response to your question it is corresponding to the picture "Trans vs cis ligand.png" like you said.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoom321 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This is how you can set the permissions on the files you upload in future. Hope this helps. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 21:28, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments on my RfA
I want to thank you for your comments on my RfA. While not exactly what I wanted to hear, you made me take a good, hard look at my own edit history--and you're right. I had been doing a lot more "traffic cop" than I was aware of. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Justin Eiler (talk) 05:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm willing to play admin coach to you if you like. That aside, I would suggest you start by picking a few articles which interest you personally or professionally, and just start writing! This will be of great benefit to the encyclopedia, and it will give you a different perspective in event that you become an administrator in the future. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 05:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Blatant deletion of images without checking
Rifleman, you make me want to shout out at you! Did you bother to check all my addition of images before you revert them? Hell, if you had just deleted those of that "MATADOR" part I wouldn't be here shouting at you BUT you deleted my "CIS-50" image on Singapore Army as well??? Come on... -- Dave1185 (talk) 04:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

TAE buffer
Hi Rifleman!

Thank you for reminding me of the Wiki rules. Proceed as you like. I myself won't change my addition, since I believe it is a very helpful one for everyone in the laboratory. If Wiki doesn't have enough space for this informations on their servers, I think there are lots of other things which could be deleted first, but this depends on the person who is allowed to decide. Unfortunately it's not me... ;)

Take care!

--Tom David (talk) 13:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

DOIs
Hi, thanks for your comment re. DOI addition over at TimVickers'. You might be interested to know that you can have the bot add DOIs to articles of your choice whilst its in its trial stage. There's a link to operate it on its user page. I'd be grateful for any feedback you had on it - let me know if it makes your life any easier!

All the best, Verisimilus  T  11:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Wonderful tool that you have there! If anything, can I ask that a "preview" feature be added? I'm a bit hesitant about the bot saving edits by itself. Of course, I can always check and revert as appropriate if needed? (Hopefully never!) --Rifleman 82 (talk) 11:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Gday
Hey Rifleman, as I'm in the same game as you (and ex-military too, interesting), just thought I'd drop you a line. You'll probably see me floating around on similar pages as you. You'll see QG on my talk as well. Please let me know if you see me out of place and can push me in the right direction. Your ways seem pretty well up with how I'd do business. Cheers Freestyle-69 (talk) 05:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Request for Review/Content
Stripping (chemistry) Hello Rifleman 82, I was wondering if you could review this article to see if you think it has any mistakes or needs more content. If you think that more content is needed feel free to add more as it seems like you have experience in the field of chemistry.Iowaskier (talk) 02:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm travelling now, so I have limited internet access. I'll still do it but I suggest you find someone else to help you. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 08:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Seriously
You give me the impression of a deletionist... especially with the article Sembawang Hot Springs, which I have reworked from 4 varied sources in order to set it apart from the original NLB version which was blatantly copied and pasted. If you want, you go write that article yourself, I quit this nonsense article once and for all, wasted almost one week of my precious time re-searching it before re-opening it. %$#@! --Dave1185 (talk) 22:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You can have any impression of me as you wish. Like I mentioned earlier, reading the NLB version and the version you wrote side by side, they were near-verbatim copies. I have already informed you of your options if you disagree with my judgment. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 22:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't have to revert the deletion but I beg to differ because "Near" isn't even close to "Exact". Go read the ACTUAL book and the ACTUAL old ST article at NLB and find out for yourself. I quit this page %$#@! You go write it yourself, I no more time for this again. --Dave1185 (talk) 22:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Integralolrivative
Hi there. I am trying to figure out what this person is up to and you have the authority to dig more, if you think there's an issue. The articles that this user has written are fragmentary and of dubious value. Check out Dichlorobis(ethylenediamine)nickel II, Hexacyanochromate II, and Tetrachloroplatinate II My guess is that this person has simulatenously discovered the CRC and how easy it is to start articles. Nothing really awful, but it would be nice to provide some guidance like we all got up front.--Smokefoot (talk) 04:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm travelling and my internet access is limited, but I'll pop by and say hi. Cheers! --Rifleman 82 (talk) 08:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Smile!


Dave1185 (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Endnote
Hi there, I've had a browse of WP to see if I can help myself but no go, so here I am. I'm running EN7, which might be the problem. I tried to use your template text, but EN automatically capitalises the words, such as author, etc, so the template text reads Author = Author (despite changing it back again), and hence the output of the style is J. Smith = J. Smith instead of author = J. Smith. Frustrating!!

Is there a simple way of representing the refs? I can bold/italicise the words easily enough, so if there is some way that I can get a number in the text and then the ref down the bottom (even if it's not beautiful) that'd be great... Freestyle-69 (talk) 04:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey there! I'm sorry you're having problems. I use Endnote X, and it seems to work. (Not as well as before - it was really customized!) I would not recommend manually formatting it, because it is data-mine the citations. I have heard good things about Zotero, including the ability to export to Wikipedia cite journal formats natively. Martin might be able to help you more. If you still can't fix it, write your article, send me your reference list, and I'll format everything for you? :) --Rifleman 82 (talk) 04:11, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * AHA! I found this that you put on Martin's talk, and it's freakin awesome! Note that it's moved to here now. Hopefully it works for the rest of the refs, if not I can manually input a few using the same format. Cheers! Freestyle-69 (talk) 07:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, enjoy! Personally I preferred the Endnote solution. Especially where you could download the citation reference from the publisher in .enw format. But since it doesn't work for you... --Rifleman 82 (talk) 08:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)