User talk:Rigley/Archive 8

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Communist Party of China
There is a note on that page waiting for you to supply a precise quote and page number from the Brown text. I'm not sure if you saw it. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 12:16, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Spratlys, etc.
Semi-protection on the Spratlys will expire in 5 days, and before I leave for vacation tomorrow (and semi wears off), I would like to form an action plan (with your input) on dealing with the single-purpose nationalists, i.e. those who replace South China Sea with the nonsensical "East Sea" or "West Philippine Sea". You may wish to consider Horologium's, the last protecting sysop, advice. Although I view Arbitration as inefficient (and messy) and better-equipped for more serious, non-petty ( as in not rv-ed on sight by veteran editors from all sides ), long-standing disputes, he has a point on the "short spell[s] of autoblock hell" and that indefinite semi-protection may not ward off the autoconfirmed SPA's. I personally suggest instant ≥31-hr blocks for anyone who replaces South China Sea with either nationalist name form&mdash;Horologium even described such acts as bordering on vandalism, and they should be treated as outright vandalism. GotR Talk 16:19, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * You're right that we don't need to pursue any form of serious dispute resolution with users who are blindly reverting rather than making serious arguments. I suggest you keep a recording of all the naming lameness that you and others had to revert, and use it to make the case for a consensus on the relevant talk page or noticeboard about a code of behavior for these articles. Something like Liancourt Rocks probation. If the community can't come to a consensus, then it may be possible to invoke this provision, with the same practical result of swift blocks for those who are Clearly Not Here To Build An Encyclopedia. Shrigley (talk) 17:30, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Evil Cults
I have recently left a message about the Chinese redefinition of "xiegiao" to "evil cult" at Talk:Cults. Someone actually asked me to provide a source, can you believe it? They wouldn't just accept it on my say-so. Of course, I, um, don't have the sources in front of me, yeah, that's it. Anyway, if you would have or know of any sources relating to the subject, I think there is a chance to get some material relative to it in that article. John Carter (talk) 20:56, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution IRC office hours.
Hello there. As you expressed interest in hearing updates to my research in the dispute resolution survey that was done a few months ago, I just wanted to let you know that I am hosting an IRC office hours session this coming Saturday, 28th July at 19:00 UTC (approximately 12 hours from now). This will be located in the IRC channel - if you have not participated in an IRC discussion before you can connect to IRC here.

Regards, User:Szhang (WMF) (talk) 07:06, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
 D Big X ray  20:34, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page. In this issue: Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->
 * Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
 * Research: The most recent DR data
 * Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
 * Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
 * DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
 * Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
 * Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:29, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tibetan Army
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Pls. stop tolerating harassment/irrelevant naming of the sections (South China Sea: Talk)
Hi Quigley pls. stop tolerating harassment/irrelevant naming of the sections in the South China Sea talk page. You know very clear that based on wikipedia guidelines, the Article's Talk Page (SECTION names) is reserved for ISSUES RELATED to the article, and NOT names of editors/users. The section name made by Benlisquare (entitled @fabyan17) is already a personal attack to the user and not the issue being debated. The proper venue is in the user's talk page. Your action manifests double-standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabyan17 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Anti china editor freely editing with sockpuppets, adding unsourced statements and original research
None of his edits are sourced, they are all extremely biased and POV, all pushing his original research claim that southern chinese are not han chinese and that confucianism and han chinese are evil colonizers from north china and are oppresing allegedly "non han" southern chinese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/William_Plant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Profwujiang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Moviecloth

LLTimes warned himin edit summaries to stop using sock accounts and did nothing else. he didn't even report him for his adding pov original research and uncited info, let alone sockpuppetry

Since every single one of his edits are not unsourced but also original research and POV, they all need to be reverted in a mass blanket revision. Can you file this case as the sockpuppet investigation and get him banned?Jaabaat (talk) 05:39, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

William Plant has been editing since june and profwujiang editing since july. Much of the original research he added is still on the articles, and William Plant has also been warned on his talk page for over eight copyright violations related to images

William Plant also edited LLtimes userpage and it has not been reverted. Considing that LLtimes knew that he was a sockpuppet, he is being way to kind to a clear POV pushing vandal. Other people who reverted him also did not bother to warn or report him.Jaabaat (talk) 05:50, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe you should post this to WP:ANI. --  Ohconfucius  ping / poke 07:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Religiously Not Allowed
Good morning, Shrigley. My recent edit to Haraam is a correction to the written sentence. Many Westerns take liberty in writing Muhammad(SAW) without the (SAW) or (PBUH). It is considered disrespectful and frowned upon by Muslims. It is also a sin. Kindly allow me to correct it.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.185.55.240 (talk) 06:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Navoiy
Hi there! Good job! But I think the statement "Bakhshis were originally scribes serving in the Mongol Empire who often put orders, issued by Chengiz Khan and his descendants, in shape of verses, declaring by loud voices - many of whom later served at the courts of almost all Chagatai and Timurid rulers and later became powerful military officials (thus the military title Mīr)." is not very accurate. Can you provide a source? It sounds like a personal opinion. Nataev (talk) 18:33, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Middle Asia
An article that you have been involved in editing, Middle Asia, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Stillwaterising (talk) 22:14, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

NMM
I'm not going to have an edit war with you, but I did not put in the dates as a euphemism. The actual content of the exhibits is very largely ethnographic (costumes, hand tools, games, musical instruments and the like), so the political situation has little to do with it. Kdammers (talk) 02:14, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Nanshu?
You mention User:Nanshu on the arbitration clarification page. What happened with him exactly? The last edit I saw from him was him bitching at me because I gave the Ainu language name for Hokkaido.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 05:39, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to say that he dropped off the face of the earth or anything. I know I can bring him out of dormancy by editing certain articles. The point was that one-off, obviously incompetent (or non persistent) users representing fringe points of view are so routine on Wikipedia that normal applications of our dispute resolution procedures are enough to get them to give up, which he has. Also, I was referring not to nationality, but using Lothar's convenient terminology for where peoples' sympathies lie. Shrigley (talk) 05:55, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah. Yeah he got really buttmad at me for adding "Aynu Mosir" to "Hokkaido", so much so that he kept berating me on the talk page for adding it with about 4k of text. I've recently found sources to support the fact that I initially found that he kept bitching about. I just tried ANI to deal with Masanori Asami because it seemed like the best course of action, even though I was far off in his nationality and his agenda (which he's only made clear recently).— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 07:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Language icon
Hi! Can you help me create a language icon for Uzbek like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ru_icon ? (If you put next to a source, it says it's in Russian.)   will be used to cite external sources in Uzbek. Thanks! Nataev (talk) 09:37, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A guy helped me out. Thanks. Nataev (talk) 05:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Riots vs Ethnic Violence
Can you take a look at this article and say whether it should be renamed? Even though it's a very important subject currently there's little interest in it. Thank you. Nataev (talk) 08:43, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Desinicization
Hi, I have started a discussion on the talk page of Desinicization to end this pointless revert war. Perhaps you would like to contribute your point of view. Dengero (talk) 06:55, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

A stern warning
I strongly warn you and Dengero to follow Jehochman's advice and cease your harassment campaign immediately including posting frivolous warning templates when I wasn't in violation of any rules, accused me of edit warring when you unilaterally added content without discussion or consensus, or any other way of gaming the system. I hereby ban you from posting on my talkpage.--YOLO Swag (talk) 04:49, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Uyghur Turkic languages
You are correct in you noticing that Uyghur Turkic languages is a neologism and nationalist revisionism. The modern uyghur and uzbek languages are descendants of chagatai, which is a descendant of the karluk turkic language which is not descended from the old uyghur language. I have a source that says uyghurs are descendants of the karluk kara khanids and they aren't related to the old uyghurs. I'm going to move the article to karluk languages, will you support such a move?Kuoofra (talk) 03:35, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

See this - Template_talk:Turkic_languages Kuoofra (talk) 03:44, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

As far back as 2006, someone clearly knew that the modern uyghur, uzbek, and their joint ancestor chagatai were included under the karluk languages grouping

Before 1921, the uzbek language was western turki, and the uyghur language was eastern turki, descended from the chagatai language. Then some soviet scientists applied the name uyghur and uzbek in 1921and thats where this revisionism comes from.

This is basically nationalist revisionism. Like the real name of the tarim basin used to be moghulistan (mongol stan), but modern uyghur nationalists call it uyghurstan.Kuoofra (talk) 03:48, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Got the source:

"Uyghur is a Southeastern (Qarluq) Turkic language spoken in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in China...It is closely related to Uzbek. Modern Uyghur was called Eastern Turkic until the Communist takeover in the 1940s...... The extensive literature of the Old Uyghurs includes poetry, epics, and philosophical treatises. Another group, the Qarluk Turks, established the Qarakhanid Confederation in the ninth century, accepted Islam, and are ancestors to the modern Uyghurs. A famous work in Qarluq Turkic is the Qutadghu Bilig

Title	One Thousand Languages: Living, Endangered, and Lost Editor	Peter K. Austin Edition	illustrated Publisher	University of California Press, 2008 ISBN 0520255607, 9780520255609 Length	288 pages

So what do you say about moving the page?Kuoofra (talk) 03:54, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I suggest moving information on the history of the old uyghurs to the Yugur people article, and moving information about the backgrounds of the karluks and kara khanids to the modern uyghur people article. To continue to leave information about the old uyghurs on the modern uyghur article is misinforming readers. The yugurs are clearly descendants of the uyghurs mentioned in histories of the Xixia who lived in gansu, there are many books on them. The buddhist old uyghurs (modern yugurs) actually helped the buddhist Khitan Kara Khitai conquer the muslim karluk Kara khanids (modern uyghurs). Kuoofra (talk) 18:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

New requested move of Human rights in the Palestinian National Authority
There's a new requested move of Human rights in the Palestinian National Authority at Talk:Human_rights_in_the_Palestinian_National_Authority. You participated in the previous one so I thought you might want to know about this one. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:16, 6 November 2012 (UTC) Also, there's a discussion on weather the PNA is a place or an organization at Talk:Palestinian_National_Authority, and in tho old RM you seamed to express an opinion on that. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:53, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Rederict tip
I noticed you created Krysten Sinema, with the edit summery "redirect". If you just want to say you redirected something, you don't even need to type an edit summery. Just leave the summery blank and an automatic edit summary will be added. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 15:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Map
Hi, the lead map in the infobox should show an overview of the geographical location of the entity. The orthographic projection is pretty good in terms of that. The other map is just way too small in terms of geographical scale for the infobox. Within the article, it is best to use it to illustrate specific administrative divisions, in which the map does show.--TheLeopard (talk) 05:48, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

question
what does it supposed to mean "promotional material"? and who are you? Mercuryjune (talk) 14:13, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Shrigley
Hello Mr. Shrigley. Is a Japanese myself, I do not speak much English. This article remarks and you are using a translation function of your browser. Would also have poor part, c'mon So that point. I get down to business. You, (I was surprised reaction is fast) I just had to remove the whole point of "racism group" was retouched. The reason is because not neutral, you say. Watch a video of me here. 7 people parade in Shinjuku conquer Korea - August 25] [ed] Shin-Okubo stroll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9JIL8EKmt4 This is a video of when Zaitokukai was demonstrated in Korean Town in Japan. Zaitokukai to shoot himself, I was exposed himself. For Koreans who live in this town "Koreans went out from Japan," "wipe out the Koreans" (00:28) They argue that such (00:59) in this video. Throughout the video, it's a condition like this. Is also the ultimate purpose of their and Zaitokukai. "Extermination of ethnic groups" if - if not "racism group" is a group that claims to (genocide), I do not seem to do without studying redirected from the English one.

Need to open an English dictionary again to me Are you there?

こんにちはShrigleyさん. 自分は日本人であり、英語をあまり話せない. 君の発言やこの文章は、ブラウザの翻訳機能を使っている. だから拙い部分もあるだろうが、その点は勘弁してくれ. 本題に入る. 君は、先ほど私が加筆した「racism group」の箇所を丸ごと削除したね(反応が早くて驚いたよ). 理由は中立的でないからと、君は言う. こちらの動画を見てくれ. 【8月25日】韓国征伐国民大行進in新宿7【新大久保お散歩編】 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9JIL8EKmt4 これは、Zaitokukaiが日本のコリアンタウンでデモを行ったときの映像だ. Zaitokukaiが自ら撮影し、自ら公開した. この映像の中で彼らは、この街に住むコリアンに対し「朝鮮人は日本から出て行け」(00:28)「朝鮮人を皆殺しにしろ」(00:59)などと主張している. 映像全編を通じて、このような具合だ. そして彼らZaitokukaiの究極の目的でもある. もしも「民族の皆殺し」(genocide)を主張する団体が「racism group」でないのなら、私は英語を一から勉強し直さなくてはならないようだ.

私に改めて英語の辞書を開く必要はあるかい? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eki375 (talk • contribs) 19:53, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Mentioned you
Hi there. I've started an ANI thread on User:Delicious carbuncle's conduct at WP:AN. I've mentioned you both because DC spuriously accused you of "gross personal attacks," and because it was my reaction to this comment that led him to accuse me of sockpuppetry. This is a courtesy notice because I referenced you; please do not feel obliged to respond. Thanks. — Francophonie&#38;Androphilie (Je vous invite à me parler ) 01:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

"Human rights in Tibet" page
Hello! The "Human rights in Tibet" page has recently suffered a number of non-neutral edits and suppressions from a pro-Tibetan POV pusher. Could you please help me keep tabs on further developments on this page? --Christian Lassure (talk) 12:47, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Request for comment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_indigenous_peoples#Either_include_both_Jews_and_Palestinians.2C_or_neither

Your input would be greatly appreciated.Evildoer187 (talk) 21:34, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Cambodian American infobox representative run-off between Haing S. Ngor & Dith Pran
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian American. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:29, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Your edits to Khalid El-Masri
I notice that you called K E-M's torture "alleged" and that you criticized the use of "sodomized" as homophobic (removing the reference to rape in the article). I invite you to read the court ruling, parts of which I have put on the talk page. The court established, beyond a reasonable doubt, pending a Court investigation, that Mr. El Masri was tortured - not allegedly tortured, but tortured. The court used the word sodomized to describe his treatment in Macedonia in CIA hands. You may-well find the word to be personally objectionable, or not your preference (and it may be your opinion that the word is homophobic), but "sodomized" is part of the court record. Beyond that, removing the reference to his rape is something I find objectionable, because it a distortion of pertinant, important facts.

Thanks for reading the court ruling, to which I linked on the article page, and to which, on the talk page, I made referential links, with paragraph-specific referencing.

This ruling is from a Court which has legally binding powers.

Mr. El-Masri had to go to the European Court of Human Rights to receive justice for torture, rape and serious abuse at U.S. hands, specifically while in the hands of the CIA, which had abducted him, without due process, based on a false-premise. It bears mention that Mr. El-Masri was refused justice in U.S. courts, just as his Wikipedia article is now being unjustifiably laundered.

Outside of the United States, and particularly in Europe, Courts take human rights - and torture - seriously.
 * Justice rocks (talk) 19:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Vietnam
Thanks for your support in the RM. Perhaps you could look at the naming conventioning for Vietnamese. They survived the RfC intact, but now IIO is trying to rewrite them. Kauffner (talk) 07:26, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Comments on Korean nationalist historiography
Hi Shrigley, and thanks for creating the much-needed page on Korean nationalist historiography! I just posted a fairly long list of comments and suggestions on my talk page, which I guess I should also post on the article talk page. Looking forward to your ideas! Best, Madalibi (talk) 03:32, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello Shrigley,

I did not deleted nor edited single word in wikipedia and I don't understand why I received this message. I adore wikipedia and I use it everyday. I have no intention of ruining hard working wikipedia community.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.201.18.207 (talk) 14:26, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for 2012 Istanbul Anti-Armenian protests
Hello. Thank you very much for the concerns you raised with the article. I appreciate your good faith commentary. I added a source you needed for the "bastards of Hrant wont scare us" (Azeri news source) that you said was needed. Thank you for pointing that out. The "Let Armenia be Gone" is in the source number 7 already and is in Turkish (Ermenistan Yok Olsun) from the highly credible Radikal newspaper. I also fixed the concerns you raised about direct quoting regarding the "Today Taksim, Tomorrow, Yerevan". Thank you very much for your commentary. Happy holidays. Proudbolsahye (talk) 23:12, 26 December 2012 (UTC)