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criticism of quran
you seem to be practiced at editing islamic related topics on wiki. well, on the criticism of the quran, i have made a message on the talk page. "people" have gotten into the article and mixing criticism of islam with criticism of quran. 2-3+ parts of the article are clear criticisms of islam(i.e. strange customs associated with "muslim" cultures). and i'd like to get your help in getting them removed... this article has "Satanic verses" as well, even though the whole thing is taken out of context, and when a "newbie" or someone who is brainwashed to hate islam reads it, especially christians etc, they will think that quran is satanic. these kinds of tricks these "people" use on their enemies need to be stamped out, and since you are a big time contributor to islamic entries, i'd like your help. this whole article should be removed anyway, or an equally long and bias article of criticism of other religions and cultures, especially by those who edit this article should be made. if you're a crypto, then disregard this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.1.253 (talk) 05:05, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Muhammad and slavery
You recently tagged this article as OR. The article's creator has since made some changes and removed the tag. Would you please check the article again to see whether your concerns have been met? If not, could you please specify on the article's talk page exactly what needs fixing? The article is currently up for DYK so a quick resolution to the problems would be helpful. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 13:52, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thankyou very much for your assistance on that article. I felt the user was pushing a POV, but given my own ignorance on the topic in question I had difficulty making the case. Your checkuser inquiry has fortunately ended a long and increasingly acrimonious thread at DYK, which I very much appreciate :) Gatoclass (talk) 08:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Mosque WikiProject
Hi Itaqallah. Hope all's well. I am creating a task force of WikiProject Islam here. Please feel free to join :) or make any comments suggestions about it. I've only just started it but will come back to it (as usual); I have a very low attention span on Wikipedia (too much to do!). MP (talk•contribs) 15:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'm happy to join.  ITAQALLAH   18:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edit
Hi,

I think we have a slight disagreement over an edit on the 'Muhammad's Wives' page, and I wanted to see if I could politely address some of your concerns.

You commented that the article I quoted was unreliable, and while FPM does have an editorial slant (as do the majority of think tanks, journals and magazines that deal with religious and political matters) the research quoted by Spencer and UNICEF was entirely accurate. If you think there were any specific innacuracies, I would appreciate it if you could point them out. The hadith dealing with Aisha's age of 9 at the time of consummation of marriage is cited by a number of Islamic scholars when defending marriage to children of that age. Iranian religious scholars have used this as the basis for Iran's current law stating that marriages can be consummated at this age. This is, sadly, a fact.

The concern over the relationship between Islamic law and child brides is not a 'fringe, minority perspective'. Many governments, including that of the UK, aswell as organisations such as UNICEF have expressed very deep concern over the issue.

You also mentioned that the issue was dealt with 'adequately in the relevant forum', however the article you directed me to (which I am grateful for, but I had already read) did raise briefly the issue of Aisha's age but made no mention of the ongoing significance of this hadith in justifying child marriages. This consequence of Muhammad's marriage is of immense significance, and is entirely relevant to a page dealing with his marriages.

If you feel I unfairly left out any perspectives or facts from this article, please feel free to add them.

This is intended as a friendly and non-personal message, and it'd be great if any differences could be solved through friendly, spirited debate.

Thanks, eja0012 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eja0012 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Eja0012. I've replied on your talk page.  ITAQALLAH   17:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Assessing articles
Hi Itaqallah. I've just added here a heap of mosque articles that need assessing. If you could perhaps assess some of them (or all, if you're feeling energetic!), that would be great. :) Thanks. MP (talk•contribs) 15:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's... a lot.. ^_^! I've started work on it and have done A through to C from the ones you listed.  ITAQALLAH   01:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! I listed as many as I possibly could, while I'm still in 'Mosque mode'. :) MP (talk•contribs) 14:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Help with pronounciation if you have the time
If you have time to listen and help, please listen to me read the Twelve Imams article, thank you. My pronunciation needs lots of work. -- Enzuru 07:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Have you noticed this yet?
Assalamualaykum,

Was busy for some days so didn't get the time to come out to WP. Logged on just a few mins ago and was editing an article when I saw the newly designed {[Islam}} box. Got pretty shocked to see a picture of the Indian Taj Mahal in place of a symbol(?) of Islam. Try as I may, I found it hard to believe that the edit was made in any good faith (although there is a very remote possibility that it was just the result of ignorance). Well, didn't know where to go about rectifying the error so messaged you hoping InshaAllah you'd be able to help/guide. Please do have a look brother InshaAllah.

Wassalaam

&#39;Abd el &#39;Azeez (talk) 05:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Wassalaam, &#39;Abd el &#39;Azeez (talk) 09:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Assalamualaykum Oh well... I just located the template by myself today Alhamdulillah (and also that you are already discussing the exact thing on the template's talk page). MashaAllah.

Template:Islam
Hi White Cat. I recently put up your template proposal to see how it went down. I like the fact it improves on the markup and doesn't use all that HTML. I think there's a slight problem though because of the table class used, which results in it sticking out a bit on some pages (i.e. Muhammad) instead of positioning itself below the other images/templates. You'd probably be better at fixing the problem than me so I thought I'd bring this to your attention. Regards,  ITAQALLAH   20:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That is semi intentional. Muhammad navbox can also be modified so it has the same width. The intention here is to make good use of width as otherwise the template gains too much height. -- Cat chi? 23:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Banu Nadir
Hi Itaqallah,

Could you please take a look at this article. A user is removing sourced material and inserting claims unsupported by the sources used. Thanks --AAA765 (talk) 22:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll have a look in a moment.  ITAQALLAH   14:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

RFC
Can you please take a loot at and comment on Talk:Acid_attack.--CreazySuit (talk) 00:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

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Honour Killings - your recent deletions
hi

I've posted you a question on trhe discussion page of Honour Killings, regards your recent deletion of some posts.

You may not have planned a visit that discussion page for a while - but maybe you'd like to respond sooner rather than later

Thnks

CanterburyUK (talk) 21:34, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Bloating the template
Help! -- Enzuru 00:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

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Image copyright problem with Image:Islam channel logo.jpg
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Views according to Hindu Scriptures (huh?!)
I hope that I don't distress you, but I reviewed the last 500 contributions to Muhammad and yours was one of the few names I remember from my prior interest in the article. I'd been going through my watchlist after a long time of not doing so, and noticed someone's aghast comment on the talk page. Checking, I was rather worse than aghast at the insertion of material that I thought had been rejected months and months ago. Now I find a whole section devoted to what seemed way back then and still seems to me now to be a fringe theory.

Can you give me an idea what's going on? How did this 'stick' this time? What discussions should I look for? I believe I remember successful Afd's on articles created by, I believe, just one person, pushing this... position. Checking just a little, I think a whole section got hijacked for this presentation. I think certain articles (e.g. Einstein, Copernicus) just have to have abstracts of "old business" so someone can't pop up after awhile and try it all over again again.

Any background would be appreciated. Shenme (talk) 07:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Anti-Islam focus on Wiki
Hello there, I take that you too are a Muslim? I just want to know your views on things such as the increase of Anti-Muslim sentimenet that is growing on the net. For one I continually worry about the Muslim massacre game >!shudder!<. And do you get a lot of anti-muslim approach when you edit? Lord of Moria  Talk   Contribs  21:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

honour killings
once again this edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Honor_killing&diff=242375542&oldid=242151254) cites methods sanctioned (and too with women alone), not much to do with the context of 'honour killings.' We need to impose 'talk' first for consensus. Lihaas (talk) 01:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * check this out (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pedophilia#Pedophilia_under_Islamic_law) can use some help. Lihaas (talk) 21:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look.  ITAQALLAH   18:42, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Muhammad
Hi. You recently reverted a minor edit to the Islam page. I removed an ambiguous phrase stating that the Prophet founded Islam as a 'historical phenomenon'. This comes off as silly and I feel it detracts from the article. In the edit note you referred to the "founders debate". I can't find this discussion on the talk page...could you point me there? (I'm a new wikipedia user and I would appreciate the help!) Thanks! Patrick Poloney (talk) 04:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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help needed
hi ltaqallah I need some help in this article Criticism of Muhammad I want to add some sites that response to the critic but my links keep been removed without god reason.could you help me ? thank you Peacekeeper-89 (talk) 21:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I also want to know why my content was removed even if i gave a strong reference and source in the wikipedia page about faithfreedom.com? I said that Osama Abdellah from the website answering-christianity.com refuted all the points made by Ali Sina but he still did not take his website down. Here is the wepage of the whole refutation: I gave an external link to a page where Ali Sina was refuted but was taken off, please explain why. This not professional. Here is the website:  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.201.40.103 (talk) 16:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Websites like answering-islam and answering-christianity are not considered reliable sources here on Wikipedia.  ITAQALLAH   00:29, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Honour Killings
Hi Itaqallah - I've reverted your major deletions to the page - and put my reasoning into the talk page. Would it be possible for you to contribute to the discussion page with the thinking between your deletions? ThanksCanterburyUK (talk) 21:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Islamic golden age
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Honor killing
Should there be section on religious perspectives on thsi article? I think I have several references that show how every religion rejects this practice.Bless sins (talk) 23:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * In principle there could be a section for it. But polemical axe-grinding is one this article needs to be freed of.  ITAQALLAH   23:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Hijab
Do you where I can get reliable sources on the topic of hijab? I think the current article needs improvement.Bless sins (talk) 02:04, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Try the Encyclopedia of Islam article if you can get a hold of it. Perhaps also the entry in the Encyclopedia of Islam and the Muslim world? I'll have a look around for other publications about the topic as well.  ITAQALLAH   23:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've tried both, neither is very useful for the modern concept of selective veiling (i.e. of covering the head but not the face).Bless sins (talk) 02:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hijab technically refers to the notion of a barrier. If you're thinking of specific items of clothing, consider terms like Jilbab, Khimar, Chador, etc.  ITAQALLAH   17:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Ethnicity
On my talk page, we're discussing if the ethnicity of an individual should be pointed out in the opening. I believe this is against the MOS on biographies. Can you please contribute? -- Enzuru 02:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you also join me on Template:Islamic Culture? Someone is arguing Bengali literature for some reason should be exempt from the template. -- Enzuru 23:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Peace In Islamic Thought
Dear brother! how are you. I'm fine. I want to suggest you to include my article on Islamic Peace in the islam template .I think you will understand the importace of it. thank you. I would like to hear a reply from you. blessings!!! zikr [lovingtheone@gmail.com] Zikrullah (talk) 07:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Bakkah
The article Bakkah seems to be a mess - and has been for more than a year. Do you think it's salvageable, or should be deleted?Bless sins (talk) 02:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * My view would be to redirect to Mecca and include a short passage about the issue therein.  ITAQALLAH   17:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Please comment
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Yasir Qadhi
Someone is continously tempering his bio using sources not up to par for wiki. Can this person be warned/stopped? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.169.229 (talk) 03:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

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RE:Templates
I've been dreading that one, because I don't know what to do that would make it truly Sunni! But okies, I'll try to spice it up. The bismillah is what I'll try to apply to all templates about Muslim groups (so far it's on the templates I've worked on, Template:Shi'a Islam, Template:Twelvers, and Template:Ismailism), sort of a visual way of assigning it into the series of Islam. -- ♥ pashtun ismailiyya  21:09, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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WikiProject Interview
Greetings, Itaqallah! My comrade Garden and I have been conducting WikiProject Reports for the Signpost lately. After looking over a list of interviews, it seems that there hasn't been any coverage of Wikipedia's religion projects in over a year, so I've chosen to do my report on WP Islam! You seem to be actively involved in discussions on the project page, so would you like to participate in the interview?

If you're not interested or think somebody else would be more qualified, would you mind recommending another user? If you are interested, simply respond either here or on my talk page, and I'll walk you through the rest. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Awesome! I will post questions (usually 2 to 3 at a time) here. I highly recommend that you add the page to your watchlist so I don't have to leave a message every time I add something. Don't worry about formatting, I'll touch everything up before the interview gets published. Ideally, I would like to have the interview complete by next saturday (February 21), but if it ends up taking more time than that, no worries. I would prefer well thought-out responses over speedy ones any day! Feel free to go back and edit your answers at any point. If you don't fully understand a question or don't want to answer it for whatever reason, just leave a note in italics or brackets or whatever and I'll make changes as necessary. Cool beans! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 00:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Zakir Naik
Most criticism against Dr Naik seems to be unreasonable. Especially the points by Khushwant Singh need to taken down. What you think about it. Kindly reply on my talk page. Jon Ascton   (talk)  06:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

re: The Original Barnstar
Thank you very much for the Barnstar! Cirt (talk) 17:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Faith Freedom International
Would you mind weighing in at Talk:Faith Freedom International on the accusation of it being a hate site (under 'Edits')? I'm unfamiliar with the topic but can see where the user I discuss there is coming from. Thanks. Natural Cut (talk) 08:29, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the anon IP is being disruptive to make a point which if anywhere belongs to the Jew Watch article. I have put the article on watch and will semi protect it if needed. --BozMo talk 12:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

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Sunni view on Ali
Please help me here, your knowledge is needed! -- ♥ pashtun ismailiyya  06:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Umar
Dear Itiqallah,

I have been having a conversation and a reconciliation with User_talk:Pashtun_Ismailiyya and I think we are making significant progress on arriving at a way to collaborate. I need your input though on a couple of pointers in order to be able to establish a foundation. Please refer to Pashtun's as well as my talk page for a conversation on Umar and editing rules, and I would appreciate your comments and co-ordination.

Thanks, --Sampharo (talk) 10:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry for the late response. I've been a bit busy!  ITAQALLAH   01:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the response
Hi Itaqallah,

Thank you for your note. It clears up a lot for me, I'm afriad there was miscommunication I believe. I am a student of Islamic history and sciences and have recently started getting involved in the editing. However I am quite amazed about two things: One is the amount of irrelevent tidbits that is being pushed into Islamic articles. Second at the sheer amount of biased information that seem to want to push the Islamic account to honour Shia religious beliefs and put them center stage, even when they are unverified and more importantly have no weight in the matter. As discussed with Pashtun, Shia represent 15% of the muslims (a clear minority) yet I find their "beliefs" taking over 50% of every general Islamic or specifically Sunni page where they can have an opinion, and in their own areas overshadow and exclude the 80% more verifiable majority opinion, or other muslim minorities or even secular western sources. As an example, you can clearly see the Umar page right now and see clear Shia notations every two sentences, and then above that there is a separate Shi'a view of Umar page, in addition to a third dedicated page to the Umar at Fatimah's house.

It's not really about editing the failing pages, it's about now that these articles have clearly been here for years and the editting tug of war has been for that time. What I need to understand is How is it though that the WP:undue and WP:neutrality is being consistently broken?! I am asking because I see that Pashtun have spoken a lot about WP:reliable sources and WP:Original Research and seem to have expressed secondary developed rules about sources (as per the discussion regarding what is and what is not secondary sources of Islamic knowledge) yet has not mentioned at all any secondary developed steps in order to shortcut the process of re-establishing the neutrality of Islamic articles and having standards of undue weight agreed between the editors to quickly remove all sect and cult bias. I am looking at the Arabic pages and despite the lack of quantity, I must say that their articles have a lot less conflict and a lot more accuracy.

Can you help me with that? --Sampharo (talk) 17:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Questionable References (?)
Assalamualaykum Brother. Hope you're doing good InshaAllah. I was wondering, what is the deemed 'credibility' of websites like Answering Islam, Answering Christianity etc. when it comes to Wikipedia? Of course a debate on their actual veracity could be a lengthy one, but I am only pondering on whether they are actually acceptable as reliable references for a WP article? There are some co-editors working on Ahmed Deedat who feel that the sites make perfectly valid/reliable ref links, but I somehow think otherwise; what's your opinion/experience in dealing with these sites on WP? Wassalaam  &#39;Abd el &#39;Azeez (talk) 06:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, they are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia. I have left a comment on the talk page.  ITAQALLAH   11:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I'll keep that in mind for articles I work on in future InshaAllah. Wassalaam. &#39;Abd el &#39;Azeez (talk) 06:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello again. Need your advice for the AI site and (more specifically,) John Gilchrist once more in the light of the most recent argument posed at Talk:Ahmed_Deedat. Peace. &#39;Abd el &#39;Azeez (talk) 07:32, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

The True Encyclopaedia of Islam.
The Encyclopaedia of Islam is a very european and anti Islamic in appraoch. The Government of Pakistan formed a committee of scholars who wrote an Encyclopaedia of Islam in Urdu spanning thousnads of pages. This encyclopaedia of Islam is an on going project for the last forty years and is called Daarya Muaarif Uloom-e-Islamya. It is free of anti Islamic slant taken in every article by the europeans or westerner. --ChJameel (talk) 15:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I suppose that's something to look forward to then!
 * EoI is generally a good resource for information and content, and its level of detail and citation is quite high. It's one of the best English-language references around. Yes, it may have its own slants or taints of the sort of orientalism mentioned by Said, especially where it makes use of older papers, but it's still a resource worth having.  ITAQALLAH   21:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Further info on Daarya Muaarif Uloom-e-Islamya which is written by a committe of scholars who began work on an Encyclopaedia of Islam in Urdu in 1950. The first phase of the project was completed in 1992 with the publication of 24 volumes [1]. Two volumes of supplements to the main text have since been completed and work on further supplements is on-going. The work is also called Daarya Muaarif Uloom-e-Islamya, its name in Urdu and Arabic.

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Recent edits on Safiyya bint Huyayy
Recently few sections of article have been removed. These sections were based on Martin Lings' work, reason cited was that Lings is not a historian and was just a writer.

But same article quotes Wafa Sultan who is a psychatriat.

The difference seems to be is that Lings quotation were in support of Muslim view while Wafa's are against.

I think a discussion is needed over this issue.

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Help with Mosques taskforce
Hi there. Long time no 'see' :). If you have time, you may wish to help out with some tasks at WikiProject Islam/Mosques task force. Thx. MP (talk•contribs) 19:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, I've been enjoying some time off recently. No worries, I'm still around and will edit here and there ^_^.  ITAQALLAH   21:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Doubt
Salam are wikipedia editors reliable in solving religious disputes ? What is the best way to settle such disputes ? --Gnosisquest (talk) 18:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari
As-Salaamu 'Alaikum, I would appreciate your assistance in resolving a dispute on the Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari page. Check out the recent edit battle between me and Rob lockett. I simply would like to see my referenced edits quoting from a prominent religious text remain in spite of the vandalism, in my opinion anyway, of the other user. Thanks in advance.Supertouch (talk) 22:37, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello, Please look into this article, you might help in resolving the issue between 2 editors. Oniongas (talk) 01:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I have commented on the talk page with a suggestion.  ITAQALLAH   16:56, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

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I've nominated List of former Jews, List of former Christians, and List of former Muslims together for deletion: Articles for deletion/List of former Jews.Kitfoxxe (talk) 15:44, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

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Salaam, the Muslimwiki is still going, but as yet no real solution has been found to help it compete with wikipedia when it comes to Islam and muslim related articles. Your thoughts and suggestions on the muslimwiki are most welcome 89.168.123.231 (talk) 18:04, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

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Need help protecting the work of Awliya on Zakir Naik and Yusuf Estes Page
Itaqallah, can you please help us protect the updated Zakir Naik and Yusuf Estes page? Awliya, the editor has been threatened by Ari89 who has been controlling most of the Islamic wiki pages. He's not letting people edit them without his permission. This is ridiculous.

Alphabetagammerparticle (talk) 20:01, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You know, acting honestly with regard to me would make your appeals far more appealing. (1) Why are we protecting the "work of Awliya." This is not the Encyclopedia of Awliya. I suggest you read wp:ownership. (2) If an editor introduces unverified content and non-npov commentary that is opposed by numerous editors, we deal with that on the discussion page. We don't make up things about other editors. This leads to the next point: (3) No one has been threatening Awliya. He has no doubt been repeatedly warned with standard warning templates, but no threats. (4) I am "controlling most of the Islamic wiki pages"?!?!?! (5) I am not letting people edit without permission?!?!. Just wow. The talk pages are waiting for you and your (probable) sockpuppets. Time would be far better spent dealing with the contentious edits as opposed to attacking good faith editors. --Ari (talk) 12:40, 15 May 2010 (UTC)