User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 123

Speedlock
I read this page that you originally authored with interest, as I am the technician that worked behind the scenes with the two Davids. There's quite a lot missing from that article, for example the disk protection systems, all of which represented some 3 years of my life. I am not able to point to an article per se, which makes providing a reference difficult. It's not impossible though, as you'll find "PROTECTED BY SIMON" hidden in many of the games. I rarely edit on Wikipedia because of the seemingly crazy amount of trolling. If you'd be willing to have an out-of-band discussion about this, I'd be willing to provide details. Like not many others would know that one of the Davids was once Steve Winwood's sound engineer, another David grows cactii, and would be able to produce a Speedlock source code disk... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.114.207.21 (talk) 17:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked at a memory dump, and all I can see is "BUG OFF Y YOU BIG WALLY ..... UP YOURS ... SPEEDLOCK Protection System DJL Software & D Aubrey Jones [redacted phone number] * Government Health Warning - Attempting to crack SPEEDLOCK can damage your sanity!" (for example, you may spend your professional career looking at minidumps and lots of post-mortem debugging). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  12:37, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay in responding, I clean forgot about this. Anyway I was not responsible for those messages you mention, although I do know which David ;-) I'm not sure which memory dump you are referring to, and certain text may appear at certain times on certain platforms and formats. For an example, take a look at the initial BASIC program that is the cassette loader for the Spectrum 48K release of Mercenary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.203.1.9 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The above message came from the Spy Hunter loader, but just about any game released by Ocean or US Gold from 1985 to early 1987 (up to and including Head Over Heels) will have this text embedded in the initial BASIC block, all with a 1984 copyright date. I assume there was a machine code program to generate the basic loader given an address and length of some other code block, which made it easy to reuse. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  09:41, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

William B. Jordan
Hello Ritchie333. How are you? Over a month ago I started a peer review of William B. Jordan, with the subsequent goal of a featured article nomination. As I understand, a good way to get reviews on your PR is to review other PRs and ask for reviews in return. However, a couple of things came up in real life afterwards, and I have been terribly busy since then to actively participate on Wikipedia. And I have been unable to review other PRs (or complete good article reviews that I started — something that I feel very guilty about). Which is why I was wondering if you would be willing to have a look? You have improved a staggering amount of articles to good article status, and I could use your suggestions on things that you may have learned with that experience. If you have some time to spare and would be willing to leave some feedback, I would really appreciate your input. Thank you. — The Most Comfortable Chair 07:52, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm not an expert on art; if you want someone who's worked in this area who can give you useful criticism I'd recommend and . From a cursory look at the article, I can't see anything that obviously prevents it from meeting the GA criteria, but that's just that - a cursory look. I think one of the problems with PR is you generally can't expect people to randomly turn up and comment; you have to actively seek out people. Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)  09:21, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of him—for Spanish art you want Ceoil—but on a quick skim (and I emphasize "quick skim") something that jumps out at me is that it reads more like a hagiography than a biography. High-profle academics who don't have critics are rarer than hen's teeth, but this gives the strong impression that nothing he published has ever been disputed and he's never been involved in any controversy. &#8209; Iridescent 19:09, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Will take a look. Muct of the hagiography can be sorted by removing fawning language, and some over detail (ie needs a lot of pruning). Comfortable Chair if you are aiming for featured article nomination, a very good idea to attract help and reviews would be to start reviewing current FAC nominations now, well before your own nom. This will build both your credibility and help with goodwill. Ceoil (talk) 19:38, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , thank you for pointing that out. I was too preoccupied with including as much information as I could find to look at the bigger picture, but I do see the problem now. Thank you for the recommendations and edits to the article, . I will work to address these points, and trim much of the unnecessary details. — <b style="color:#000000">The Most Comfortable</b> <b style="color:#8A2BE2">Chair</b> 07:56, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Great. Sounds like a plan. Ceoil (talk) 10:17, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Great. Sounds like a plan. Ceoil (talk) 10:17, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

British Gas plc
I'd also be fine with the under referenced template. Although I'm spacing right now on what it is. That said, are you seriously going to argue that the existence of television commercials makes something notable? --Adamant1 (talk) 17:02, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I need to check the Times Digital Archive for contemporary mid 80s sources, which I’ll do in a minute. Fundamentally, the sale and privatisation of utility companies like British Gas was an archetypal example of Thatcherism so I suspect there is a political angle to this. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:26, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries. There's probably sources out there due to it being an ex-government company and being listed on the London stock exchange. So I'm sure you can find something. I at least changed the template in the meantime. Hopefully that's adequate for now. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:29, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of 93% Club
Hello! Your submission of 93% Club at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:31, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Royal Hibernian Hotel
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thankyou for breaking the logjam. I know "oldest / fastest / biggest" etc DYK hooks can be controversial, so I supplied as much evidence as I could and then ducked out. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You are welcome - I'm pleased it worked - I feel a bit like a little old lady who tells the kids "stop making a mess" .... and they did! Victuallers (talk) 14:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ...No intention to give you trouble... you are highly respected... sorry, and glad turned out okay. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm certain you did not mean to cause trouble; you don't strike me as the sort of user who does! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * mmm...... I may have with anyone else. :) Take care Whispyhistory (talk) 20:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

The Land of Lost Content
Good DAB page, it was needed. I fixed the handful of incoming links. Narky Blert (talk) 17:18, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for that, I know creating DAB pages can create a bit of a mess that's a pain in the neck to clear up. I don't know much about The Land of Lost Content (book), but if I had a dog it would bark at that article - though it is assessed GA, it's very light on sourcing, there is a tag in it, and the article is largely the work of  who has been WMF banned. I'm not sure it's a good idea to have the article at all, but I don't know enough about the subject matter to start an AfD. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:08, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I participated in the discussion which led to the softening of FIXDABLINKS from its earlier punitive version, which placed sole responsibility on a WP:XFD closer. Talk:Vinyl reached the correct result and broke about 2,500 links. It took 3 or 4 editors a couple of days to clear up the resulting mess.
 * If a title is derivative, as this one is, its origin needs to be identified somewhere for the benefit of readers. Cf. Queen of Air and Darkness.
 * I'd heard of the book, but haven't read it. IMO it probably passes GNG, as there seem to be enough reviews in thoroughly RS sources (though probably WP:OFFLINE) to justify a standalone article, not just a section in an article about a man of very mixed reputation.
 * As for GA? ptui! nowhere near. I've had a better article than that deGAed. Narky Blert (talk) 20:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Able to give more feedback for Time's Up?
Hi again, Ritchie333. I'm not sure if you saw the most recent request that I posted on the Time's Up (movement) Talk page? I'm hoping to add some new information that explains how the movement and non-profit are organized, as well as their overall aims, similar to sections on pages for other movements such as Black Lives Matter and #MeToo. Although I posted the request at the start of the month and have pinged editors and left a note at WikiProject Women in Red, no-one has commented on the drafted content yet. My request and draft are on the article Talk page Would you be willing to read it and share feedback? I appreciate that you and other editors are busy and thank you for any time you can spare. Hope with Time&#39;s Up (talk) 15:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , Hi, sorry I've just come back from holiday and it's taken me a day or to get round to fielding all the replies that have come in during that time. I can see your changes (or at least what I think were your changes) were implemented in this edit and has done a bit of work on the article, so it should be in better shape, and possibly the above message is now redundant. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

BHG at ARBCOM
Shouldn't TRM be listed as a party? Mjroots (talk) 12:55, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops, just seen your comment, as you were. Mjroots (talk) 12:57, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review for The Obelisk (magazine)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of The Obelisk (magazine). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Fanofblackened (talk) 21:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Help/advice with a new user
Greetings, long time no see I think.

has been adding information on climbing histories and topographica data to a number of articles. On the one hand, mountaineering history is poorly covered in many Wikipedia pages on mountains so it's in principle welcome. But it's often rather poorly formatted, and sometimes the sourcing is unclear. I don't want to simply remove all of this stuff nor go and drop a pile of ALLCAPSes on their talk page, but I am not sure that I have the patience and skill to carefully explain the problems with some of their additions. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I see this user has replied on his talk page now, so I guess things are in progress. However, alarm bells are ringing at the sentence "So we're using the latest data, which changes constantly" which is exactly what Wikipedia isn't - it lags behind the curve, documenting things that are well-known and uncontroversial. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To say nothing of the formatting and sourcing. I don't take issue with WP:CITEVAR violations as it's not reasonable to expect folks to learn all the uncountable Wikipedia citation formats - but in many cases they are linking to generic search pages that do not contain the elevation information and the stuff about mountain vs ridge is definitively WP:SYNTH. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Iain Pattinson
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for 93% Club
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Arbitration case request declined
Dear Ritchie333: The BrownHairedGirl arbitration case request, to which you were a named party, has been declined. For the Arbitration Committee, KevinL ( alt of L235 · t · c) 07:46, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think summed up things pretty well. I just can't believe how long the ANI thread dragged on for, and the piling on of suggestions and arguments must have been demoralising for  and I'll have to commend her for sticking around and carrying on improving content in the face of all that. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:04, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Ritchie.  That was indeed demoralising, so I disengaged from it early on.
 * But by several orders of magnitude, the most demoralising aspect of the whole thing is the community's (and arbcom's) very narrow view of what constitutes civil discourse. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 10:46, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I think that was the right cause of action. I got yanked off to Arbcom by Fram a few years back, and decided the best thing to do was (paraphrasing the standard arrest caution) "You do not have to say anything. However, it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on at Arbcom."
 * I was also not happy at getting dragged into the case; fortunately several key declining arbs agreed.
 * It's impossible to come up with a simple set of solutions for civility. If two editors have a screaming row, then 24 hours later realise they've both been a bit silly and want to back down, then there's no action required. The problem happens when people see action against civility that is considered excessive or insufficient (depending on your viewpoint), which breeds resentment and leads people into various "camps". I don't think there's any good answer to that; it's kind of human nature. The best thing anyone can do is set a good example; be tolerant of other people, but set a high standard of civility themselves. People tend not to be habitually incivil if they know their colleagues or peers would object.
 * Since the departure of editors like Eric Corbett, Cassianto and SchroCat, the tide has turned a bit regarding civility, and I feel there's less tolerance now to editors who get a free pass on incivility because of being "content creators" or editors who can "dish it out but not take it". In all three cases, all three were pretty much "on licence" and were kept here as long as they were being proficiently productive elsewhere - as soon as that stopped, they became net negatives to the project. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ritchie, there is a lot I would agree with there, but also a lot I disagree with, esp the disregard at both ANI and Arbcom of context.
 * As to TRM, I suggest that if you look at the history of TRM's engagement, it will become clear why I put such emphasis on the important of context. And the block of me for describing the long history of devastation wreaked by AAW/CS was pure victimisation; the outrage at the lifting of that block has severely dented my faith in the community. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 11:45, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought we'd moved on. You chose to obliquely reference me somewhere completely unnecessary.  I had hoped you wouldn't continue to do so, but here we go again.  There's no need to keep talking about me, I'm not interested in you or what you do or what happens to you, and I'm self-imposing a one-way IBAN as of now so you won't ever need to worry about or refer to me, directly or obliquely, ever again.    The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ritchie, there is a lot I would agree with there, but also a lot I disagree with, esp the disregard at both ANI and Arbcom of context.
 * As to TRM, I suggest that if you look at the history of TRM's engagement, it will become clear why I put such emphasis on the important of context. And the block of me for describing the long history of devastation wreaked by AAW/CS was pure victimisation; the outrage at the lifting of that block has severely dented my faith in the community. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 11:45, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought we'd moved on. You chose to obliquely reference me somewhere completely unnecessary.  I had hoped you wouldn't continue to do so, but here we go again.  There's no need to keep talking about me, I'm not interested in you or what you do or what happens to you, and I'm self-imposing a one-way IBAN as of now so you won't ever need to worry about or refer to me, directly or obliquely, ever again.    The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

comment
You've arranged My Sharona for a nine piece soul band with a full brass section? I'm always intrigued by these little droplets of information that trickle out in various interactions. —valereee (talk) 09:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , Check your email :-) <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:25, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Audrey Hepburn
Didn't feel like using the books for Hepburn eh? I can't say I blame you. It needs a lot of work. Hope you are well and don't still fully believe what the British media are telling you about COVID.† Encyclopædius  10:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think would do a better job of writing / improving the article than I would. I still do one women GA a year to keep my toe in (this year it's Caroline Flack). As for COVID, it's already killed people close to me and made some others incredibly ill to the point they're upset they can't do as much as they used to. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:28, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Popping in to say thank you for the kind words, it's been a while! :) I never did get the books unfortunately, but I do have two biographies of Hepburn of my own that I can use to tackle the article, probably later this fall. Cheers!--Bettydaisies (talk) 18:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Aditya Tiwari
Hi,

I created this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Aditya_Tiwari with more references. The earlier version of this page was approved. However, it was speedily deleted as a recreation of the article that was up at AFD.

I request you to kindly look into it with more sensitivity and revive the page.

This writer, author, and activist has brought about significant change in the queer space in a country like India, where “queer rights” are a lot more necessary and required. This page qualifies and should be included on Wikipedia because this person has sufficient notability to be here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plushwiki21 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I don't think the advice you have been given is particularly helpful - "You'll need to show a lot more notability for the poet". That doesn't make sense, either someone is notable or isn't. I guess what is meant is find additional sources that allow you to write an article. However, when I did a quick news search I could only find something about rescuing snakes, and this piece about somebody else that appears to have the same name. Without the appropriate source material to hand, we can't write an encyclopedia article. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:33, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ritchie333, I created the page by extracting sources on Tiwari's career from the internet. Since there are other people with the same name. I named the page "Aditya Tiwari (Poet)" for more accuracy. Also, in order to search this entity, you need to put in this or this on your search engine and you might also see that they have a Google knowledge panel to their name as a poet. Do let me know, what can be done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plushwiki21 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Land of Lost Content (museum)
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Charlie Watts
Did you hear? Charlie Watts passed away today @ 80. :( -- The SandDoctor Talk 17:21, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , Yup, had a spare evening last night where I could have thought about doing some work here, but spent it listening to the "classic" Stones LPs from Beggars Banquet through to Exile on Main St and paying attention to drum parts I'd never really appreciated before. RIP, Charlie. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Same here. I spent it helping with the Watts article and keeping the vandals away. I also listened to some tunes and appreciated the drums, as you said. Very sad. By pure coincidence (predating his death), I have Paint It Black up for FAC; given the song's subject, it is oddly fitting. I am glad that it is on its way to FA and hope to one day bring Charlie Watts there too, but it is quite a ways off. If you by any chance have some time to assist, I would welcome all the editorial assistance I can get in fixing it up. -- The SandDoctor Talk 20:02, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I don't really have that many Stones sources; I did briefly have a copy of Keith Richards' autobiography but I didn't find it a particularly appropriate source for factual content. So that's why I haven't done much article improvement in that area myself. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Aerodrums
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Just letting you know that an editor tagged it as being an advertisement and as non-notable. SL93 (talk) 20:25, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I've never owned or played or even seen an Aerodrum (or is it drums), I just thought they looked like a cool thing and saw enough sources to write about them. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:46, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I figured. I just thought I should let you know in case the article wasn't on your watchlist. SL93 (talk) 21:54, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't have time for taggers, I just improve content. It's the Gerda way. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:02, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * love it, Ritchie --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you know you can buy this? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:15, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * no ;) - should be Weg where I live --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I was accused of advertising my friend, subject of my first article, also of COI for the church where I announce events to the press, - nothing in a year of course. He played Vivaldi in said church, and I advertise that I loved it - pictured! (It was during a church service, no concerts were allowed in June.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 26 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Don't miss trumpeter, after music by Purcell --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * – One should never miss the trumpeter. Just saying. Best to all DBaK (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Imagine: he stood next to where I sat, in profile, - but moved to the other side after the first movement and never returned. I don't take pics during concerts, just for applause. The dress of Anna Prohaska received more attention than the trumpeter ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Did you get his name? – I don't think I know him. Or maybe I can find him online. I can see he had competition from the dress! (And, per your edit summary, I think maybe schlitz > slashed or slashes in this context.) Taking another trumpet remark to your Talk in the hope of annoying Ritchie less! :) DBaK (talk) 23:14, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Some of these orchestras name every player, but not this one. I'm undecided of how to name them in English, help? La Folia Barockorchester, really? Perhaps their website has the names? Or Bach Cantatas Website? - no time to check yet, still on my watchlist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Yesterday I had two interesting DYK (I think), and the day before was at a concert with Daniel Barenboim just playing piano, and afterwards he and the orchestra received last year's prize (pictured). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I have been taking advantages of relaxing travel restrictions and travelling round the country, stopping at a number of places including Dovey Junction railway station (if you can give me a station that doesn't scream out "middle of nowhere" more than this one, I'd like to know), The Land of Lost Content (article and DYK pending, presuming I can find the sources) and the Air Balloon (stop in for a pint before they stick the A417 dual carriageway through the site). <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:54, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds lovely! - As for DYK, DYK that it's "a kind of perversion"? Visit the Teahouse (or my talk), Theatre of the World. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , If something's "a kind of perversion", you should consult EEng for a DYK hook at the first opportunity. See Dr. Young's Ideal Rectal Dilators and Vaginal steaming ... actually, best not see on second thoughts. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I know, but here it's not about one hook for one article, but a new user thinks that the complete DYK process is a perversion of their noble article(s). I thought an opera article would be a good DYK, and the author was upset, missing respect for the composer of the opera who just died. (I brought him to ITN, 2-4 July.) As said above, visit the Teahouse (2nd thread, with "inappropriate" in the header), or my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , Okay, I've read the wider discussion now. I think the bottom line is not everybody likes DYK, and there is a reasonable argument that not too many readers would miss it if it just disappeared. It is useful as a basic peer review system to make sure new content is up to snuff, in my view, though. I had a similar discussion some years back, User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 59, which ultimately went off on a wild tangent and ended with a concluding remark "wow, that escalated quickly". Such is the way of the Wikipedia discussion. :-/ <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the way of Wikipedia discussions that someone can go around and blame our efforts a perversion, and I'm the bad insensitive woman. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Giedrė Šlekytė, or how I stubbornly insisted to talk about great things she did, and not that she had different ideas when she was young, - who hasn't? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ... and today: Teresa Żylis-Gara, the second soprano to impress me on stage, died, - long live the memory of her beautiful singing, remembered with thanks. 28 August 2013 was a special concert day: look. After Hillbillyholiday gave me a tree. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds lovely. Why not try this place before they stick a huge white elephant through it?? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:13, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

So close to fame...
Your friend and mine, Geoff Marshall, released a video today on the Kyle of Lochalsh line, and he actually read an excerpt from the WP article at Duncraig railway station. I wrote most of the Duncraig Castle article, and improved it to GA status, but never got around to doing the corresponding railway station. If only I had done that, Geoff might have read my text and I'd now be famous! Enjoyed the video though, it looks like an amazing line. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:28, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I would have done this, the West Highland Line and the Caledonian Sleeper all last year but for this blasted pandemic. This year, I've managed to do the southern branch of the Cambrian Line and hopefully get an opportunity to do some more later in the year. If you want "wittipedia", then you'll have to look elsewhere then article space, such as here. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, agreed there is a lot of fun to be had on that particular page. Sometimes you do find a hidden gem even in main space though, including the one that Geoff identified in his video, "it was reopened after local train drivers refused to acknowledge the station's closure for the intervening 11 years". Or one I discovered yesterday, "Additional British verses used regional vocabulary and focused on local landmarks". No great exploration on my side either of late unfortunately, other than the world-famous Marshlink line last year (which I think I already mentioned to you), and small sections of the Furness line and Lakeside and Haverthwaite Railway this summer, which are definite gems. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 14:33, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , Unlike (presumably) a lot of railway enthusiasts, I became interested in rail travel for pragmatic reasons when High Speed 1 opened and I realised the advantages of trains over driving (for example, the worst thing that happens if you fall asleep on a train is you miss your stop). Still, I've been fortunate that I live in the corner of the UK that has pretty good rail connections, and aside from the Marshlink line, it's electrified and reliable. I've never had to experience the misery of a British Rail Pacer. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  07:50, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * – so, on a point of clarification, does I've never HAD to experience the misery of a British Rail Pacer (my emphasis) mean you've never ridden on one even if you didn't have to?? Because if so I really feel you should try one, because it is a quintessential experience and, like kippers or black pudding or Marmite, you owe it to yourself to have the experience at least once whether you actually, um, enjoy it or (more likely ... much, much, more likely) not ... cheers DBaK (talk) 16:49, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Puzzled
Hi, Why is it that people can create an article and straight away one can google the subject and the article comes up but I created an article on 19 July Martina Evans which is in mainspace ( It comes up if you put it in the search box or click on the link in another article, e.g. Dalston notable people, but you cannot google it and have it come up. It is so frustrating.Aineireland (talk) 14:58, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Aineireland, you don't have the WP:AUTOPATROLLED user right, so when you create an article you have to wait until it is either 90 days old, or it is marked reviewed by a member of the New Pages Patrol for it to show up in Google searches. See WP:NOINDEX.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much Pawnkingthree Aineireland (talk) 17:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Text from deleted article
I recently logged into my account to see a page I created (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ducat) was speedily deleted in February 2021 without any input from me. Obviously, I will not contest the grounds (and have no standing to do so, despite being the page creator), but I would like to have the text made available for safe keeping in the future. Are you able to send that to my talk page? Thank you for your time.

-- Chris Ducat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris Ducat (talk • contribs) 16:59, 29 August 2021 (UTC) , The text in full read "Robert Ducat (born 1969) is a Christian music artist. He has released several albums: David's Struggle, Have Mercy, Well, and Shelter." That's probably why it was deleted - there wasn't enough information to show people could make an encyclopaedia article out of it. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:15, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Maureen Wroblewitz
Hello. Help improve and copy edit. Thanks you. Kolpb (talk) 09:16, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the good folk at Women in Red might be able to assist with this better than me; this isn't in my area of expertise so I'm not sure what I can do specifically to help other than just review the prose. I see the article has been deleted a few years back, but the current revision appears on first glance to be long enough and sufficiently sources. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:20, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

You've got mail!
Thought I'd left you this already, it's been a few days since my email. Cheers, Vanamonde (Talk) 14:38, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Vanamonde, sorry I have been away for a bit just doing other things. I have seen the email and I'll try and get round to doing a reply later today. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:21, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries whatsoever, I only just circled back to this too. Vanamonde (Talk) 12:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Timothy J. Edens for deletion
(snip afd boilerplate)
 * , What's this got to do with me? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:34, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , on September 8, 2020‎, you closed a previous AfD for the same article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:32, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021
Hello ,

Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.

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There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

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JPL close
Thank you for closing the JPL discussion. I see you quoted me. :) When I was reading it, I saw I have a mistake in my writing. I have bolded it here: "if John finds out a topic he thought had no religious involvement is not religiously involved, he could play it very safe and revert his edits."  Perhaps I meant "now"? I don't know. It was a few days ago. Anyway, do you think it would be helpful to follow that with [sic] or strike it or something, or trust that the community will get it from the context of the rest of the statement? Again, thank you. Have a great day! --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 16:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for closing the discussion, Ritchie. I honestly wouldn't want anyone else to do it. I know it was a very difficult close and I believe you came to the only conclusion that you could have based on consensus. I may not necessarily agree completely with the results but I didn't expect anything different to occur. I hope JPL is given the opportunity expressed in the comment and stated in the close. Based on the comments of others during this case my confidence is not very high that he will. The validity of the frustration towards JPL is justified and I have told him that he needs to accept that. His actions have been extremely disruptive and this topic ban is his last option to remain here. I wanted him taking it serious. -- A Rose  Wolf  18:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Just want to second the recommendation to tweak the wording of the close to be sure it's accurate. Given the history around this editor and the parsing of statements and supposed lack of clarity in boundaries, the more airtight and correct the explanation, the better. Grandpallama (talk) 19:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that the quote from DiamondRemley39 contains a minor typo that may lead to confusion. Clarifying that would be advisable. Clarification of what constitutes a "religious figure" would also be useful. If a successful business person donates a large sum of money to a religious institution, does that make them a religious figure? I don't think so, but I think John needs some tools to evaluate edge cases. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  19:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I've fixed the typo; the closing statement of the ANI thread is the only place that it is directly mentioned, so that's easy to fix. I did see a notice that somebody needed to close the thread, and reading through the comments, I found a consensus for a topic ban, but wanted to include something that tried to distance this from being a "pile on", and DiamondRemley39's comment seemed to be the best one to go for. As I think you're aware, I just closed the thread based on the consensus I saw, I have previously commented that JPL's AfD comments are not helpful for a closing admin, but that is not a sanctionable offence and played no part in how I closed the thread - I don't believe I've ever clashed with him on any religious topic. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing my typo. Thanks for closing, too. That needed to be done. I didn't mean to start a discussion on the matter on your talk page. Best to you. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 15:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Women in Green - October Editathon
<div style="border: 2px solid #484898; background: #FFF; background-color:#98FB98; padding: 1ex 1ex 1ex 1.5ex; margin: 0px 0px 1em 1em; font-size: 99%"> Hello Ritchie333:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a  month-long Good Article Editathon event in October 2021!

Running from 1 through 31 October 2021, WikiProject Women in Green is hosting a Good Article (GA) editathon event focused on the topic of women's rights. Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing women's rights-related GA submissions during the event period, with resources and one-on-one support provided by experienced Women in Green GA reviewers. Participants have the opportunity to receive a barnstar.

We hope to see you there! Alanna the Brave (talk) 00:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Harry Partridge
Hi, regarding the deletion of the article Harry Partridge which you closed, I feel the fact that a WP:RS published new and obviously non-trivial in-depth coverage of the subject matter towards the end of the deletion process (which in my opinion made the article easily pass WP:3REFS/WP:GNG) means the process shouldn't have been closed so early, before the previous voters had had a chance to look at the new source and re-assess their votes based on that new information. This is the source I'm talking about, for your reference. Additionally, the only vote cast after I brought that new coverage up was an unfortunate case of WP:WIKIHOUNDING. I pointed this out in the discussion, but the vote was nonetheless not stricken, instead, another user felt motivated to post a "WP:AGF Level 2 warning" on my talk page and falsely claim there was "no reason" to assume Wikihounding, which is very weird considering that if they had actually looked at the evidence as they claimed it's very clear:

User:MrsSnoozyTurtle posted her deletion vote a mere minute (!) after posting this on my talk page:  where she even references another discussion ("the exchange below") I was having with another user about the Harry Partridge deletion article. She wasn't "patrolling" AfD's and found the article that way - her most recent edit at an AfD had happened several days earlier: (incidentally this is where our spat originated). It's obvious how she found her way there, that her vote was only motivated by malice, and that she spent no time whatsoever actually looking at the article/sources in question. It seems like a very bold-faced case of Wikihounding and I think it does deserve at least a warning of some kind, if nothing to make it clear to that user that it won't be OK to repeat that behavior.

(If you should feel that I also deserve a warning for incivility I'd accept it, I understand I might have been too "frank" in some cases in the heat of the moment, but I do feel I wasn't worse than the people I was having the spats with, which might be a shitty excuse but there it is)

If the vote can not be re-opened, I'm wondering if you could help me by pointing out what the best way forward for me would be if I want to give the article at least a chance to be undeleted because I'm somewhat confused by the policy on this. I would be perfectly happy with a completely new vote because I think the last pre-redirect version of the article stood on its own two legs, but it's not clear to me whether this would be allowed. Per WP:RENOM it seems you should go through WP:UND, and I don't have an issue waiting a month or whatever time would be recommended to do it, but on that page they actually make it clear it's for "restoring pages or files that were uncontroversially deleted via proposed deletion". Would having the article draftified and then (eventually) submitted through the draft process be a good way forward? Or would it just be considered "out-of-process recreation" and deleted again even if the draft was only let into "articlespace" after being approved by another editor? 101.50.250.88 (talk) 06:00, 28 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I've looked through the debate, and I think the best thing you can do is forget about Harry Partridge completely and utterly and write about something else. The important point when writing about living people is to err on the side of not including information. It doesn't matter if you say "so-and-so is a reliable source", if other editors disagree, we should be cautious and defer adding the information for the sake of respecting the privacy of others. I would focus on improving Saturday Morning Watchmen instead and talk about the video / series, not the people.
 * I also note that other editors have got frustrated with you and have advised you to temper your conduct, otherwise you are at risk of being blocked. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:38, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Gerda's September corner
Omas gegen Rechts - enjoy strong women! I thought of Yoninah on the first day of Rosh Hashanah. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Rich Main page today: the first TFA by a promising author, the pictured DYK by my friend LouisAlain who is discouraged by an AN discussion, and one of the Recent deaths. Enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:05, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * As you may have noticed (or maybe nobody did :-/), I've taken a bit of a break recently. No specific reason other than I can't think of anything to write about at the moment. I'll have a quick spin through one of my book sources and see if I can cobble together a few words. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:17, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for a sign of life! Yes, I noticed ;) - just keep reading. Today's Main page has 2 DYK, one written in memory of Brian, the other by Drmies, and I helped with the German sources. If you have time, but no inspiration, perhaps help LouisAlain on AN and/or with articles? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:38, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * today: the day of bold red and black, for Dante who died 700 years ago, and Peter Fleischmann who died recently, leaving us films full of vision. Dante: just heard Inferno, imagined by a woman, the main character both speaking and singing with an inner 4-part voice! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Good wishes on Peace Day Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I was out until gone midnight on Tuesday (21), I think it's about time I had a night in. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:27, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Understand! - Today: a woman in red (back to the beginning of the thread), two who died under "in memoriam" and LouisAlain missed - my first editnotice read: "Every editor is a human being" which is quoted from a comment by Geometry guy in a 2012 discussion on WP:AN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes a Great Nite Out!!.... or just a cosy quiet-night-in-for-a-change. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:50, 29 September 2021 (UTC)