User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 126

Double vote
Hi. You have voted twice in this poll: Requests_for_adminship/2021_review/Proposals 4nn1l2 (talk) 15:18, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , Oh yeah, so I have. Duh. I've struck it, I don't think it affects the end result of the discussion, though. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:25, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ... and that's been reverted by for the (not unreasonable) view that the discussion is closed. I don't suppose we could IAR a little and let the strike for a duplicate vote stand? I just think this is important because anyone who objected to the proposal can look at the double voting and object. Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)  15:48, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I will make a note of it on the page. Primefac (talk) 15:51, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled
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 * Looks like Barkeep49 gave me back the autopatrolled right. I assume this was procedural, since I had the right before I became an admin, or perhaps it's because all admins who have been awarded "Precious" by Gerda can be intrinsically trusted to be autopatrolled. (Well, I can dream). Looking at the logs, I can see I created six non-redirect articles this year, which is better than none I guess. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:42, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Your score for this year seems to be a bit higher at nine. That's not including "Rebecca Wrong Daily" which xtools attributes to you but, as you deleted it, I suppose that was some sort of admin action.  Here's the count:


 * Aerodrums
 * Ben Comeau
 * Candace Brightman
 * Eargasm
 * Land of Lost Content (museum)
 * Memphis Soul Stew
 * Royal Hibernian Hotel
 * The Land of Lost Content
 * Welbeck Abbey Brewery


 * The Land of Lost Content looks most apposite. Note that there's a closer place in London – the Museum of Brands, which I have visited myself.  There's some lost food brands which I recall with some nostalgia: the Allinson Roll, Creamola Foam, St. Ivel Lactic Cheese.  Hmmm... Andrew🐉(talk) 12:54, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile, XTools says that I have Cerro Torta, Salar Ignorado, Lake San Agustín, Nevadaplano, Rodwell-Hoskins mechanism, Tahoka Formation, Lubbock Subpluvial, Nevado Tres Cruces (that existed before but I wrote an userspace draft and overwrote it; not sure that this is kosher), Yonaguni Knoll IV, Eifuku, Radon storm, Fixed anvil temperature hypothesis, Monturaqui, Ocean dynamical thermostat, Cerro Overo and Megaherb (same as NTC). However, as I've said elsewhere the annual upkeep of all my articles is becoming increasingly time consuming and I am not sure how long I will be able to do this. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:36, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Gosh, Andrew, I've created more articles than I realised. "Rebecca Wrong Daily" was a bad idea, even though it's in reliable sources and not technically a BLP violation as a result, I still thought I'd get flak for the redirect one day. Although we have a far worse one that's still around. Still, I'm surprised I created that many, I'm more into rescuing articles other people have created and making DYKs out of them, or beefing up the quality of what we already have (witness the recent WP:SQUIRRELish activity on various Floyd articles). I do agree with Jo-Jo that it gets more difficult to create new content, particularly as it becomes more obvious existing articles often need good work and sources on them. Maybe I'll get 200 GAs one day, only 47 more to go, so if I can do two a month I'll get there by Christmas 2023. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  18:00, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

File:Old Street station 1920.jpg listed for discussion
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcY3W5WgNU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcY3W5WgNU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcY3W5WgNU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcY3W5WgNU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcY3W5WgNU <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Request
I reverted vandalism by Special:Contributions/85.116.80.12, but I feel it's RD2 and needs revdel. Could you take a look? Thanks. (I made a mistake there flagging copyvio, sorry.). Hemanthah (talk) 12:33, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , That's a serious BLP violation and unambiguous vandalism. Revdelled and blocked. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:40, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Potted Shrimp
Hi Ritchie, thanks for your timely redirect suggestion. I've added Potted Shrimp to the list. As far as I can see the book doesn't mention who wrote the piece, nor do less reliable sources; I guess we can either assume that it was probably Jagger/Richards or just leave it blank. Lennart97 (talk) 12:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , It's bizarre how I can't find any reliable sources for this. It's also known as "Tell Her How It Is" after Jagger put some vocals on it, which was considered for a reissue of Exile on Main St. according to this source. As the fan sources say Keith Richards isn't on it, it might be Jagger/Taylor, but I guess Keith wouldn't be happy with that. Until it's officially released, we'll never know. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:15, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Quite the mystery! At least this song now has the distinction of being the first sourced entry in that list ;) Lennart97 (talk) 14:03, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

AfD Clarification
User:Ritchie333, I noticed you recently closed out an AfD nom process as no consensus, with no votation for deletion, merely all of them as a 'keep.' Can you explain how the AfD nom reached a no consensus? --> Articles for deletion/Charlottetown Police Service Multi7001 (talk) 20:10, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hrm, I'd imagine it's because Notability (organizations and companies) does put some pretty strict limits on when newspapers are proof of notability and the keeps are somewhat skimpy on tha point. It may be a misclick, on the other hand. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 20:25, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , It was a marginal case. Most of the "keep" arguments were refuted by the nominator, Apocheir, who was the only one advocating deletion. Despite multiple resists, attendance was still sparse and I think "no consensus" reflected that not many people were interested in keeping the article. Since this type of close results in the article being kept, it shouldn't matter too much, I'd have thought. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:27, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Ritchie333, per your mention: "I think "no consensus" reflected that not many people were interested in keeping the article." I have not spent much time on AfD noms, but I did notice that the only nom for deletion was the nominator, while all users who actually voted, including myself, requested for a 'keep,' and one user was impartial and did not favor either. I could not see how that was a no consensus, as the subject had multiple reliable, independent sources. Multi7001 (talk) 20:38, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the best thing to do is to improve the article further, expanding the work that TheWolfChild and others did during the debate. For instance, the history has one sentence for 1973 and then suddenly jumps to 2009. I don't see any value in arguing semantics here; the article isn't going to be deleted, and that's the important thing to take away from this. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:42, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree, improving the article further is the next best step. Also, I am only seeking clarification here, as I have not spent much time on AfDs and don't know much about them and was not aware that a no consensus can be reached with no deletion votation. That is good to know and thank you for clarifying that. Multi7001 (talk) 20:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * A "no consensus" means "no action is taken" or "the status quo prevails". In other words, the article stays. When there's few votes, it's considered a lack of a quorum. – The Grid  ( talk )  23:42, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Musician sources
Musicians are really not my thing, so I'd figured I'd ask you: do you think Nil Moliner meets en.wiki's inclusion criteria for Musicians. YouTube randomly put one of his songs on for me last night and I've become somewhat obsessed with it (Libertad for reference... it's an earworm.)Anyway, I was somewhat surprised we didn't have an article on an artist that looks to have at least one studio Album certified gold, and multiple singles that have been certified platinum, but I'm hardly the expert on this topic, and while my Spanish is decent enough to read through Spanish-language sourcing, figuring out what is a reliable source for a BLP of a musician is difficult enough for me in English, so somewhat out of my league here :) TonyBallioni (talk) 17:40, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , Hard to say; the Spanish Wikipedia article doesn't appear to have BLP quality sources. However, a quick news search does bring up many hits, albeit all in Spanish, so it's possible he does meet the standards for inclusion. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:11, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * At least some of these look like local/regional newspapers and one academic-ish source. Although I'll voice my scepticism on writing articles based on newspapers. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:30, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yah. That's kinda where I am. Pretty sure he meets multiple criteria from WP:NMUSIC, which I think there's reliable sourcing for from a notability perspective, but I don't really want to create an article on someone where I can't get decent sourcing to expand beyond a stub, and what counts as decent sourcing for contemporary musicians has always been strange to me when looking at our existing pages. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Feedback on my first review of an FA nomination
I found your name listed in Good article help/mentor. I attempted my first review of a GA nomination for China–Pakistan Free Trade Agreement here at Talk:China–Pakistan_Free_Trade_Agreement/GA1. I didn't use a template as it was optional. Is there anything else I need to do or should keep in mind? ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:11, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's anything else you need to do at the moment. If the nominator doesn't get back to you in a reasonable time period (say, 7-14 days) to address the immediate issues on lack of scope and balance, then there shouldn't be an issue failing the review. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:44, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Ben Comeau
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC) Super DYK! I'd give you my monthly calendar image but you got it already. Sharing the page with Gianni Schicchi which I saw - my second opera - as a girl. I miss Brian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Shame we didn't get the hook I really wanted, but that's consensus / compromise for you. I remember about 25 years ago, I was moaning about Peter Hitchens being some grumbling right-wing nutbag (I think he was on Wikipedia but got indeffed, which figures...) and my then flatmate said, "That's nothing, there's a journalist called Boris Johnson who just makes things up about the EU and talks drivel, he's a mental head-case". Man, he saw it coming before we all did.... <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:54, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * today, an Italian opera, my second ever, as the TFA written by two dear people, and a park where I went with dear people, as pictured DYK - I'm not making this up (that line quoted from Anna Russell --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:18, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Agreed. I've left a comment. I am hoping that the messageboard goes well. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I came here to say the same thing. I think having the first review be self-initiated sets a really healthy precedent. Thank you. Since Barkeep beat me to the barnstar and your user page says you're not a big fan anyway – I hope I'll get the chance to buy you a pint or two one day instead. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 16:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Echoes (Pink Floyd song)
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That's great! - Today: sharing symphonic music - happy listening! - I asked the arb cands if they'd listen, which is an art. - Listen to what de:Jerome Kohl wrote about Zeitmaße, premiered by Pierre Boulez. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:37, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


 * "So I throw the windows wide. And call to you across the sky." Martinevans123 (talk) 16:49, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Gerda I think half the problems we have around here are from people not listening, or at least understanding what the other party wants for the project. Indeed, as Zeitmaße says, "We are seeking to find something. But at bottom, we do not know quite what we are looking for." As far as Arbcom elections go, I do admit to having a bit of a bias towards Thryduulf. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:52, 7 December 2021 (UTC)


 * If you do ever get the bottom, please let me know. I think I lost some loose change down there a few years back... Martinevans123 (talk) 10:03, 7 December 2021 (UTC)


 * That's what happens when you browse EEng's talk page. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:31, 7 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Yay! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:35, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

vacation greetings from Munich, rich in culture, culinary events and meeting dear people. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

back home on Beethoven's birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

today memories of singing Monteverdi, Handel, Rossini - a triple nod to Brian, an unsurpassed model of constant kindness and helpfulness coupled with competence! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review for Antonio McKee
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DYK for Echoes (Pink Floyd song)
— Maile (talk) 12:03, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you everyone for the Christmas messages. I was a bit worried, because some friends of mine I met at a jam session on Sunday tested positive for Covid; fortunately I haven't, and I've been negative for the last few days, so I don't have to isolate away from the rest of my family, and they can all come round and spend Christmas together. Hope everyone's well and wishing you all a happy Christmas. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:26, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Quick, everyone.... all round to Threesie's place for a knees-up!! You can't beat a good bit of jam. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:20, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you
... and Good Yule and my best wishes for a joyous and safe holidays and for all good things in the coming year. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:55, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!!
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Articles for deletion/Charlottetown Police Service
Three people commented on the nomination of Articles for deletion/Charlottetown Police Service. All were keep. Can you expand the closure to explain why there is no consensus? Thanks, Nfitz (talk) 22:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm going to take a guess, and suggest looking at a short way above. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Essentially, there weren't quite enough counter-arguments to discount the opening rationale of the nominator, especially "I think much of the disagreement here results from different conceptions of what "significant coverage" means with regards to WP:ORG", which shows generally there isn't a strong consensus for this type of article. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Is there an effective consensus-building mechanism that would be appropriate to apply here? I feel like an RfC would probably meet with just as much apathy from the community. -Apocheir (talk) 20:16, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Ritchie333!
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Happy New Year! Ritchie333, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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Rather Rude On RVV's part
I’m not sure why a 12 year old editor who should know better would call you a “wanker”, that really is tasteless, unbecoming of a senior editor, & very poor form. More puzzling is why they chose to retire despite returning the perm. Very puzzling! Celestina007 (talk) 20:47, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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 * I only made a few edits to stop a speedy deletion nothing else - I've !voted "redirect" on the relevant AfD. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:28, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

AN thread of interest
Unless I missed it, you weren't notified of this: Administrators' noticeboard. I doubt you object, but (a) I could be wrong, and (b) maybe you have a comment. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:23, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , As I recall, I was just attempting to prevent Guy from shooting himself in the foot, and advising him to point the blunderbuss somewhere else and just blast a STOP sign instead, which would involve less pain and a small fine for minor criminal damage .... umm, yeah, this analogy isn't going particularly well, but I don't really have much to say, and I'm happy to go with consensus. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:59, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Epiphany
Happy new year, in friendship! - Epiphany seems like a good day to say so, after a Bavarian peasants' mass (sorry, on the train home, no recent pics of that - just keep watching), and two DYK, even with a pic I took. I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy New Year, it is Epiphany but it's also the anniversary of this, so I've been watching the biggest and most important diss of Donald Trump, who hasn't gone away yet and who still needs to be kept a close eye on to make sure he never gets near any position of responsibility ever again. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:32, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Is he safe to use the crayons and safety scissors again yet? Or does he still need supervision from Nanny? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:08, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Mali Surmame
Feel free to punt me elsewhere but seems a new editor has made a mess of this article including moving to a misspelled name. Picking a random admin because no idea where besides ANI this would go. Entire recent edit history concerning, so no diffsSlywriter (talk) 16:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Not really my area of expertise. For Indian Caste articles, is (I believe) our resident expert. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Clavinet
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Notification of VP discussion and indirect mention
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Query about likely COI
Hi, hope you are well. I thought I'd come to you directly as you've had prior experience, rather than going straight to COIN. Jhuma1971 is clearly involved with Global Newborn Society, and hasn't responded to my message on User_talk:Jhuma1971, though is still editing Akhil Maheshwari, so wasn't sure if you wanted to step in? -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:46, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The problem here is we need to explain that Wikipedia is not the correct place for what Jhuma1971 is trying to do, and why it won't particularly help their organisation. They aren't editing in bad faith or with malice, but genuinely think they are trying to do the right thing, out of conviction for making the world a better place. So tact and care are required; coming down like a ton of bricks with a block or template is the wrong answer. As for what the right one is, I'm not sure. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:03, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Mail
twsabin 00:14, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I have dealt with the matter. Note that it was a quarter past midnight when you wrote this so I only just got onto actioning it now. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Good Article review
Morning! I am currently reviewing a good article, can you check my review is all ok before I do my final assessment, the article is on track for a pass! As its my first review, I wanted to discuss with a mentor further, thanks! Trains2050 (talk) 07:38, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The review doesn't appear to go into much detail. Even an article written by an experienced editor can have comments or ideas that can be discussed. Some examples might include:
 * Are you sure the images are well laid out? There are three images on the left-hand side of the article, all placed next to each other.
 * There are some repetitive words, for example: "On the platform are two small red brick buildings under a single terracotta tiled roof. Between the buildings is an undercover area for seating. The building displays elements of the Federation Bungalow architectural style." and "The station was constructed during 1923 and the first part of 1924. During construction, the station was often called the Lawler Street station"
 * Relating to the last sentence, who often called the station Lawler Street station, how often did they call it that, and why?
 * The service information is out of date. How has COVID affected the passenger figures?
 * "Christmas Day has a different timetable to other public holidays. At night time, trains are half-hourly or hourly" This is confusing. Does it mean trains are half-hourly or hourly at night time on Christmas Day, or night time in general?
 * Have there been any accidents or incidents at the station?

<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:54, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you, sorry its my first one so wanted to make sure, Can I add the changes that you said to my review, I will credit you. Thanks and sorry Trains2050 (talk)
 * Yes, you can add them if you want to. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Possibles
Maybe this or this from 2019. There were two other possibles, but both of them have mostly stopped editing.

From 2018, this and this and this may be be possibles. valereee (talk) 20:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm just in the middle of composing an email about this, gimme a sec. (For talk page stalkers, I prefer strong and blunt criticism of editors to be off-wiki from time to time). <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Rhodes Piano
Hi Richie333,

I was tasked by our CEO to edit the Wiki page as there were a few inaccuracies and a lot of missing information about the companies new history. Can I still add the sections I did (Rhodes Music Group, Rhodes MK8, Matt Pelling & Dan Goldman)? These topics are all key elements to the companies history and none of which were included in the Wiki page. I don't believe I attempted to advertise in favour of the company, I just believe all the information I put in was all key elements. How would we go about including these sections without COI?

Thank you very much and I apologise for causing any issues, I wasn't aware of these guidelines.

Thanks again, Christian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian.Dumouchel (talk • contribs) 11:50, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The first thing to explain is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. That might be stating the obvious, but what separates an encyclopedia from a business directory or magazine is it summarises what is already known using the best quality source material available in a neutral and disinterested manner. Writing such as "The Rhodes brand exists because of the unmistakable sound of our keyboards and our incredibly loyal fanbase. Love for Rhodes electric pianos has created extensive online communities of passionate owners and enthusiasts, which we celebrate. Dedication to progress fuels our passion for music performance and production, along with our desire to see the legacy of the Rhodes keyboard continue far into the future." has no place on Wikipedia. Manual of Style/Words to watch is a good page to have a look at.
 * As for what we could additionally include in the article, my obvious thought is the source Classic Keys: Keyboard Sounds That Launched Rock Music isn't used much. In my view, it's probably the best source material to use on "classic" electromechanical keyboards, and has received rave reviews and endorsements from established musicians such as Rick Wakeman, Donald Fagen, Steve Nieve and Chuck Leavell. In terms of Rhodes personnel, the book mentions design engineer Mike Peterson, quality engineers Mike Kahrs and Paul Gagon and R&D engineer John R. McLaren. There is nothing about the people you mentioned above, and the history stops at CBS' closure of Rhodes in 1985. So I don't think they can be included. The article must give due weight to the appropriately important parts in the instrument's history ie: from the 1950s to the early 1980s, which is what the majority of available sources do. I have to disagree that the topics you mention are "key elements" - if I wanted a Rhodes sound in the early 70s, I needed an actual Rhodes; nowadays I can use any number of emulations that are sufficient for the job. What's the new Rhodes going to give me that the Nord Stage and Logic Pro can't? I can recreate Richard Wright's Rhodes intro to Pink Floyd's "Sheep" in Logic and I seriously can't tell the difference between that and the real thing.
 * I completely understand you weren't purposefully trying to cause trouble and thought you were trying to do the right thing (see Assume good faith). The best analogy I can think of is to imagine that you've got some bricks and cement, and tried to build a wall, only to find it collapsed during the first bit of bad weather. Much of the easy work on Wikipedia has already been done, and the hard work of improving the prose and factual accuracy takes more experience and skill. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Richie333,

Thank you for the very well written response. I should have done some research before going straight into an edit. At least I am fully clued up on how Wikipedia actually works.

I do need to mention that the founder of Rhodes (Harold Rhodes) gave the rights to the company to Joe Brandstetter of Rhodes Music Corporation in America, who then created the MK7. After an unsuccessful run of the MK7, Joe Brandstetter sold the rights onto Matt Pelling of Rhodes Music Group - which is what Rhodes stands as today. I strongly believe we are part of Rhodes history as we own the original rights and trademark. But maybe I'm missing a point you're making. Surely we are a part of the Rhodes story. I 100% agree that what I wrote on the Rhodes Piano page does not belong on Wikipedia as it was borderlining on advertisement. But I disagree that the information regarding new ownership and products should not be included. Legally, we ARE Rhodes. We are listed on company house as so, and we own all trademark and rights to the original brand.

In terms of emulations, there is always an argument on emulations vs the real thing. Our product IS a Rhodes, we bought the company which included all original designs and all intellectual property. We aren't copying, we are developing.

Again, apologies for causing an issue. I truly thought it would be a simple 15-minute task. I respect the skill that goes into writing these Wiki pages. I really appreciate you pointing out my error, and it won't happen again.

Thanks again, Christian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian.Dumouchel (talk • contribs) 14:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I think I need to clear up some misunderstandings. I'm not saying that the sale of the trademark and ownership shouldn't be documented - it should, provided it can be cited in reliable sources. It's more a question of how much information should be included in the article. I've added some information about the sale from Joe Brandstetter to Loopmasters, which is documented in an All About Gear and MusicRadar source, which are sufficient to document the basic facts. So the article now says, "In 2007, his [Rhodes]' former business parter Joe Brandstetter acquired the rights to the name and re-formed Rhodes Music Corporation. The company introduced a reproduction of the original electric piano, the Rhodes Mark 7, housed in a molded plastic enclosure. In 2021, a new company, Rhodes Music Group Ltd, was formed by the audio company Loopmasters who bought the rights from Brandsetter.", which I think is broadly speaking what you were looking to include.
 * For now, I think just having that should suffice - the time to add information on new Rhodes models will be when they receive coverage at NAMM and are written about extensively in Sound on Sound. Even then, I think for balance, we probably won't be able to say anything more than a sentence explaining the new instrument's features. If the instrument progresses to be used on a majority of Billboard hot 100 singles, that would be the time to give greater coverage and prominence. But we don't know that it will; we can only report what we know now, not what we hope will happen in the future. (See Wikipedia is not a crystal ball). To give another example, the Hammond SKX Pro has been recently released, but until I can see a Sound on Sound review of it, it can't be mentioned in Hammond organ yet.
 * I hope that all makes sense. I wouldn't worry about making "errors"; longstanding editors can generally tell when somebody is trying to help and when somebody's just messing around, and if it's not obvious, we'll always assume good faith that it's the former. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Richie333,

Thank you for understanding. I largely underestimated how much actually goes into creating and editing these Wikipedia pages. As I stated on the COI board, I really wasn't aware of the guidelines.

I am glad this matter has been resolved, and I will certainly refrain from making any further blatant edits in the future.

I appreciate and respect your work throughout this matter.

Kind regards, Christian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian.Dumouchel (talk • contribs) 15:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Richie33,

There has actually been a Sound on Sound article written about the MK8: https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/rhodes-mk8

Not sure if this is what you were referring to.

Thanks again, Christian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian.Dumouchel (talk • contribs) 15:12, 2 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of. I've dropped a bit more information; I think of particular importance is to show the designers' connection to other notable music companies like Moog Music, which will help strengthen the importance of this bit of the article. I would add that while new users aren't up to speed with the finer points of Wikipedia policy, they are sometimes subject experts, and therefore we need to recognise that and take their expertise as and when we can get it. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Deletion review
Since it does not look like you, as the closer of Articles for deletion/Ian Marsh (writer) (2nd nomination), were notified, I am notifying you about Deletion review/Log/2022 February 2. BOZ (talk) 20:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Arbitration
My wiki-friend, I've written a statement 5 times and deleted it before posting on the ArbCom case. I don't know why but I get deathly afraid of ArbCom. Maybe it's because they do have so much control but not really much more than the average admin and I do believe most every admin has a healthy view of their position within the community. Arbs are no different. I appreciate you recognizing my comment there. It definitely was a plea to the editor Timwi and not the admin Timwi. I don't know why it's so hard for some admins to separate themselves from it. I just didn't want to see another Rexxs and I wish I had been here to at least offer the same plea to him. I can't express how much I believe in the principle pillars/foundations of this encyclopedia and community. I don't write many idle words here if any at all. They all have purpose geared towards building the community and by that improving the encyclopedia. I believe Admins should be held to a higher standard and the community seems to agree with that. Timwi's admin actions were a problem because of how involved he was in the situation and because he couldn't separate the editor from the admin. I don't want to lose the editor Timwi but if he can't separate the two then the problem will repeat and we will lose him anyway. ArbCom has to take the case or rule by motion. I know it. I just feel for Timwi but at the same time I know his actions caused this and I believe we must protect the community and encyclopedia from admin actions like this. I'm saddened in my heart that Timwi hasn't responded because it means the potential loss of an editor, even though it is his own choice, and that might not matter to some but to me every single one of them counts for something. My hope is he returns but that hasn't been fulfilled in most cases I have read or been introduced to. Yet I still hope. -- A Rose Wolf  14:00, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If Timwi was a regular editor, had argued at the AfD in exactly the same manner, and then ducked out and taken a break, then at worst there would be a closed ANI thread with a result like "The issue is stale. No further action needed." In the grand scheme of things, this is not a major issue. While there's evidence that an administrator reversed a clear consensus to do something and didn't communicate effectively when challenged - the thing they are being challenged on has already been overturned (by me deleting the article). I think people are frustrated that they aren't getting any response or closure on this, and that causes people to get cross. It doesn't help that there are real life events with those in charge attempting to brush aside issues without comment.
 * Looking back to the reasons I've taken lengthy sabbaticals on Wikipedia, they largely haven't been because of any on-wiki activity, but more that I've felt my frame of mind is such that I can't realistically see myself working on Wikipedia in the near future. I don't like the "Retired" template, and the "Taking a break" template is too subtle - on the couple of times I've felt like "I'm taking a break - please don't tempt me back here until I'm ready". In the case of Timwi, I think it's just a case of losing interest and going onto other things. I'm not sure what to do other than wait indefinitely with a resolve to not just close the issue as "stale" but to ensure to our wider readership that admins can be properly held accountable for their actions. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:34, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Speaking of, I'm working on something right now that may lead to me not being here until April. A sabbatical sounds nice. -- A Rose Wolf  21:06, 4 February 2022 (UTC)