User talk:Rjm at sleepers

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High Court of Justice for the trial of Charles I
I think your article on the "High Court of Justice for the trial of Charles I" is a useful addition to Wikipedia, thanks for making the contribution. I have fettled it a little, and it might be worth looking at the regicide page to see if anything can be copied over from there. --Philip Baird Shearer 22:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll try to find a source for the army council quotation - I copied it from the regicides page where it is similarly unsourced. You've also tagged "this sparked further royalist uprisings which were known as the third civil war" with citation needed. Were you suggesting the need for a citation that the execution sparked royalist uprisings or a citation that confirms the name third civil war? Rjm at sleepers 07:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

The Third Civil War can look after its self, no it is the presumption that the execution sparked further royalist uprisings. I think you can build a case for saying that with the execution of Charles the I the crown was then free (no longer imprisoned in England) for the Scots to place it upon the head of Charles II so starting the Third Civil War, but I am not sure one can argue that the execution it sparked further (English) royalist uprisings. Either which way it is drawing a conclusion that ought to be sourced. If one just blandly says that "A year and a half after the execution the Scots proclaimed Charles II king of Scotland, and this ignited the Third Civil War.", then one is on far safer ground as it is a statement of fact not inference. --Philip Baird Shearer 07:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC) :-) --Philip Baird Shearer 08:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

You have changed the link in this article to a page that includes the Canadian House of Commons. Surely it s better to link to the British version. (English would have been even better, but it doesn't exist.)

Also, you have included a section on a trial during the interegnum. Was this in anyway connected to the court that tried Charles I? Rjm at sleepers 14:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * (1) Apologies-amended (2) The 1649 'gagging act'(reference section) mentions the existence of a HCJ for the trial of others namely James Earl of Cambridge. Since there had been no further enactments I read the original act to see if it constituted a HCJ with an independent existence outside of Charles I's trial. My first reading concluded that this was indeed possible and that all subsequent HCJs took their authority from the original. A second reading prompted by your comments has convinced me of the opposite. This may explain why they did not want Hamilton's trial publicised!

Anyway I have listed further HCJ Acts found. I hope you agree it is appropriate to mention them in this article. Aatomic1 18:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

ODNB

 * "Add Thomas Hammond who is said by ODNB to have attended 14 sessions but did not sign)"

What is ODNB? please put it in as a reference. --Philip Baird Shearer 11:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Reply to your question
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Norman Conquest
Hi - I left an edit field note in error, the correct talk page discussion I meant to refer to is. It discusses the difference between the terms "conquest" and "invasion". Historians use the term "conquest" and not "invasion" when referring to this event because it took a generation to conquer the country and remove any remaining resistance. Although there were later invasions, and even symbolic events such as temporary taking the throne, none of them "conquered" (subdued, pacified and fully controlled) England. -- Stbalbach 16:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Irish Famine Book
I read your entry on the talk page and just wanted to let you know that entries on "did you know" have to come from recently (less than 5 days) created or substantially expanded articles. Also, if it's a book, it's probably written from it's author's POV. When you write ABOUT the book, thats when you have to be neutral. In other words you can say something like "this is a book that claims the Irish famine was evil" but not "this is the worst book ever written about the famine".Galf 09:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I said evil above but that was a bad choice of words, because most people agree that the famine was in someway "bad", I should have said something more controversial... I also forgot to say something else, if you feel that the book (not the famine, at least in this article) are misrepresented you can always edit it, fror example, by adding a book review that is critical of it. Just always remember to attribute any opinions you include. Galf 13:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Chadwell
Please do. I can put some details in about the civil parish history too. Thanks. MRSC • Talk 07:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes Chadwell St Mary CP and Tilbury UD occupied the same area from 1912 to 1936. MRSC • Talk 07:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Etchingham
Yes, the James Templer reference was the residency in Etchingham, not a fact I had come acrioss before. ColinBoylett 15:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Bletchley Park
Regarding the reference you added to Bletchley Park, could you add some info to say who published it? --Concrete Cowboy 12:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

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Earthworks (archaeology)
Thanks for adding some references to this article. I've added it to Category:Archaeology and removed the uncategorised tag. Can you have a look through the sub-categories for Category:Archaeology and see if there's an better and more appropriate sub-category for it? (I know nothing about archaeology!) Cheers. DrFrench 16:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

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moved
Apologies--the stuff below ended up on your user page. It shouldn't have, of course, it should have been here on the talk page. My mistake. DGG 00:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Sir Hugh Dacre Barrett-Lennard, 6th Baronet

I declined to delete it, as speedy deletion requires no assertion of importance, and I consider saying someone is a baronet is sufficient for that, though most people think it i not enough to ultimately keep the article. I changed the tag to propose deletion in 5 days to give time to show it's notable for WP purposes.

What this primarily needs is stronger evidence about his activities. Priests and other clergymen, and baronets as well, are generally considered notable only if they have in fact done something notable. (Not my decision, just information) Further, this will need documentation. Apparently the basic information is from an obituary, and it should be cited -- and be certain you're not copying it. But it really will take at least one and better two news article or magazine or some other reference to him. The London Oratory is a prominent church with an article in WP, so there might well be something.

If you find information, add it and remove the tag. Someone will probably then nominate it for deletion via the AfD process, and you can then defend the article. Without further material, I advise you that it will certainly be deleted if brought to AfD. You are of course perfectly welcome to try. (This isn't my personal opinion about the merits necessarily--just advice about what people will probably do.)

What I very strongly suggest is that you add the information as a section to the article about the Barony. That combination article can realistically be defended, and, in my opinion, it is the best way in general to deal with bios of this sort when there is limited information. You can then turn the individual article into a redirect to that section--if you need assistance with that, ask me. DGG 15:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed you have -- the pro-baronet and anti-baronet parties have been after each other for months at AfD. I stood for the baronets at first, except that one particularly undiscriminating editor started writing articles about all his relatives basing it only on a genealogy book by one of the family, which not surprisingly lost everyone's sympathy.  I advised you on the basis of the present consensus at AfD. (and DRV). Of course it will change. The thing to do about family quarrels is to side-step them, so I think the section approach is the way to go. Works on all sorts of subject-- if consensus changes or you can find info, it can be changed back to an article easily enough. DGG 20:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Earthworks
Hello, I am interested into earthworks which are a bit longer... systems to mark the boarder of a territory for protection and taking taxes or as defense lines. In Germany we have a lot of systems which are rather forgotten nowadays. Most of the seem to be made in the middleages. The have one or two dykes and so one, two or three ditches and were grown with thorny hedges. A length of up to 30 miles or longer is not unusual. What would be a proper lemma for it in English? -- Simplicius 22:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

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Hmm..
For this article, I don't believe an infobox is necessary. It's very generic, and anyone who reads the article will easily find that information. That is just my opinion of course. When was he the surviving son? And how is that relevant, or what did the other siblings die of? To use abbreviations like JP and MP, you need to put Member of Parliament (MP) the first time it's used. Then you can use MP. The only thing in the article that really needs fixing is the referencing. All sentences/paragraphs should be referenced with inline citations. The first reference could be converted to a normal one using tags and the template Cite web. References also should come after punctuation. I hope this helped a bit, people from this time period are definitely confusing to write about. And one more thing, if you searched a genealogy site like RootsWeb for him you might be able to find a more exact birth date, maybe. Good luck,  Psych  less   21:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Elizabeth I at Tilbury
Thanks for tidying up my revisions to the introduction to Tilbury, that was sloppy wording on my part. I lived in Tilbury for a few years, including at the time of the events in 1988 to mark the 400th anniversary of the speech, so I should have done better! Regards, --Malcolmxl5 19:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Sir Hugh Barrett-Lennard, 6th Baronet
Having just spotted his obituary in the Telegraph, I have just noticed your excellent article on Sir Hugh. I have taken the liberty of expanding it a little.

The original was very good - perhaps you may consider nominating such articles for WP:DYK in future, so they can appear on the Main Page and receive a wider audience? -- !! ?? 22:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Historic landscape characterisation
When English Heritage is the sponsor of the program, I would submit that additional sources are necessary to ensure the most reliable coverage and to establish the notability of the program. That is why I have included the template in this article. Erechtheus 17:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. I removed the template. Please know you had no obligation to add references, but I do thank you for your efforts here and on Wikipedia in general. Erechtheus 18:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Tithe maps
Hello, thanks for the contact. I hadn't realised the article was so young until after I'd made the edit (sorry!). It looks good now! Excellent work! -- Jza84 · (talk) 21:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

References in Enclosure
Hi RJM. Good edits in Enclosure. I noticed you've been wikifying the refs, and have been having trouble with the ibid ones. I don't know if it's possible to do ibids entirely using the Wiki ref system, but there are two ways I know of to do it reasonably neatly. One is simply to repeat the whole ref each time, with just the page numbers different. This leads to a repetitive reflist, but each ref can at least be linked from within the article. Another way, which I've just noticed being done in Boar, is to use a repeat ref, but keeping the page numbers in the text as superscript. This seems much neater, although the page numbers don't link.

Regards, --Richard New Forest (talk) 17:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

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Exmouth
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 * Oh, okay. Training ship. I'm with you now! --Geronimo20 (talk) 08:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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Dear RJM, are you an ex Beal boy? If so please message me on my Talk page. Skeptic2 (talk) 22:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

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British toponymy
Good job on that passage about transferred names for lost features. —Tamfang (talk) 10:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

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Tilbury
Hi Rjm. Thank you for your comment on the above. I suppose I really meant to make the comment about the area on which the town was eventually to stand, rather than a town that didn't exist. I understand from one of the references that the ferry actually docked at the Fort at some point in its history. After all it is still perfectly correct to talk about the Romans being there. Deletion seems a bit drastic! Peter Shearan (talk) 05:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Roundheads
Categories for deletion/Log/2005 May 14. I am being bold. When that decision was taken the article Cavalier was not as that name. Now that there are two articles Cavalier and Roundhead, it makes sense to have the categories under the same names as the Wikipedia articles and not longer more verbose descriptive names. Like Cavalier, Roundhead long lost any pejorative meaning that it started out with (as evidenced by the meaning given to it the OED). --PBS (talk) 13:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message. So that we do not repeat ourselves, I suggest that we continue the conversation as Category talk:Roundheads --PBS (talk) 14:49, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Edward Whalley
It was probably a mistake that I didn't notice, since I'm sure I didn't intend to remove him from that category. Kuralyov (talk) 18:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

The Dell
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Portrait of Susanna Temple, Lady Lister
An interesting dilemma. I got the dates from the Christie's catalogue but they may well have been interpolating from the inscription, and of course inscriptions are often later additions or badly "repaired". I think a good solution is simply to add a ? in front of the birthdate. We could start a Wikipedia article on Susanna Temple and cite your source that states her birthdate is unknown, and footnote the bit about her parents' wedding date. That's edging into OR, but if we cite our sources it's probably defensible, although what we really need is a written source that questions the inscription. The bigger challenge on that is whether Susanna Temple meets the notability guidelines; as a lady in waiting to Anne of Denmark and the sitter in portraits by Gheeraerts and Cornelius Johnson, she probably does. I am always tempted to use a good portrait as an excuse for a biography stub.

In any case, I am going to slap a ? on that birthdate since a quick google search doesn't find a date anywhere except the Christie's catalogue. Thanks for the puzzle. - PKM (talk) 17:36, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Sir Thomas Peniston
--Dravecky (talk) 18:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice work. - PKM (talk) 18:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's a big question that should have been asked much earlier: is it "Peniston" or "Penistone"? The article seems to include that extra "e" pretty consistently. - Dravecky (talk) 18:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Nihon Ōdai Ichiran
I noticed your name amongst those contributing at Talk:Primary source.

Will you take a look at what I've pulled together at Primary source -- see here?

What do you think? I wonder if you'd be willing to suggest how this analysis might be improved?

Perhaps you may want to argue that using Nihon Ōdai Ichiran is not helpful as a strategy for illustrating the differences among primary, secondary and tertiary sources? --Tenmei (talk) 00:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Rjm at sleepers -- Thanks for the feedback. Moving this section to the bottom of the page was easily accomplished; but perhaps there are other improvements to be made?


 * What I'm looking for editing help -- tightening the sentences, focusing the ideas so that the illustrative example is instructive and useful. I think this particular text is useful because it's cross-cultural, non-western, non-controversial, minor, etc.  In this context, I don't want my abilities as a writer to diminish the potential value of this example.  Perhaps I might encourage you to try editing these few paragraphs so the relational concepts are more clearly presented?  Perhaps too much detail is muddying the effectiveness of this example?  I need a fresh perspective in order to make it better. --Tenmei (talk) 17:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Grays Thurrock
Just interested where you found this 'formal' name from? I must admit I've never come across it. --Jimbo[online] 07:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah fair enough. Chadwell St Mary is a bit more obvious as signs/notices/publications etc etc and often just called Chadwell out of ease. Cheers, --Jimbo[online] 11:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I grew up in Little Thurrock, and the use of Grays Thurrock as the parish name seemed to apply to the town as well in the 1950s. The Railway station was Grays Thurrock till 1901.--Brunnian (talk) 17:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

charles
I did not make a mistake, but I'm not going to kick up a fuss. I just thought the meaning was obvious, and that wherever possible we should avoid polluting direct quotes. BillMasen (talk) 15:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

James Temple
I am systematically going through a list of articles, where there is a copyleft problem with articles that contain information directly copied from the British Civil War website. See (User:Philip Baird Shearer/BCWs copyright issues).

In most cases this is not too much of a trauma because the page had not developed much from the initial copied text. However one page where the text differs considerably is James Temple. The problem is that because of the nature of copyleft licenses the edits since its initial creation are derived works so the page is incompatible with the Wikipedia licenses. I note that most of the additional work to the page was done by you. So what I suggest is that we work on a new page.

I intend to delete the current page and replace it with a modified version of the text on Wikisource:User:Philip Baird Shearer/Sand Box. I will also extract some information from Oxford Dictionary of National Biography: Temple, James (1606–c.1674), regicide by J. T. Peacey an obvious one is DOB!

Rather than just deleting the page James Temple. Would you like me to move the current article under your user space, so that you can salvage anything that you think is pertinent?

--PBS (talk) 16:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * "I have copied the article to my user space. I believe that it would be relatively easy to remove from it everything that was in the article on 4th February 2007 (and hence anything copied from the British Civil Wars site). I could then fill in the resulting ommissions from other sources. Would that be acceptable?"


 * I am no expert on this, but I do not think so because of the nature of the the licences used. See this link which is the link from the home page of www.british-civil-wars.co.uk Note Share-alike "Share Alike — If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under a licence identical to this one."


 * so I think we have to delete it and start again. But I'll stay my hand for the moment on James Temple as I have left a message on User talk:Digweed to see if we can have this article re-licenced as compatible with Wikipedia's licence. --PBS (talk) 18:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * As the GA reviewer, this copyright issue is not a subject I can contribute effectively on. However as long as the article still exisits I will leave the review open until such time as the review can be taken up again.--Jackyd101 (talk) 20:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The private email I had from David Plant last December indicated that he would be happy to provide the necessary licensing permissions. Why not go to his web site and webtxt/email him to look at his Wikipedia talk page (User talk:Digweed)?

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 * The inclusion of the quotation marks was an accident, although a number of the sources do put the phrase in inverted commas. I didn't change it because I'm not familiar with the best way to do it. If you (or anyone else for that matter) want to change it, that's not a problem. Rjm at sleepers (talk) 10:14, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


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