User talk:Rjsfhl

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view. Please remember to observe our core policies. JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 01:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:NPOV on QFD From Jet Lover
There has been an incorrect assessment of my edit earlier today. There was a request in place to cite references - I provided reference to the QFD inventor's book. I provided the historical development provided by the author/originator of QFD from his own book. Not sure what is lacking in neutral point of view. There is no dispute about AKAO being the inventor/originator of QFD - do not understand the problem. Tried to talk with Jet but it was too complicated for me to reach him - a couple of layers of pages and much text involved. Please contact again if there is anything else I can clear up though.

regards,

joe


 * I am sorry, but your edit read like advertising. Fact it may be, it it does not read encyclopedic. JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 23:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The QFD Editing activity
Please stop. You are wrong about 100% of your previous statements. I am trying to make a requested contribution (providing citation for the origin of QFD). Your comment about my edit having some element that appears like advertising is a staggering mis-characterization, however, if you can take a moment to show me the wording that gives you that concern I would be happy and open minded to receive it. If there is nothing else than opinion, then please kindly let others benefit from the information that is being provided.

Regards,

Joe

"Quality function deployment (QFD) was originally developed by Yoji Akao in 1966 when the author combined his work in quality assurance and quality control points with function deployment used in Value Engineering. Mr. Akao described QFD as a “method to transform user demands into design quality, to deploy the functions forming quality, and to deploy methods for achieving the design quality into subsystems and component parts, and ultimately to specific elements of the manufacturing process.”"

One can tell it reads like an ad. Specifically:

"when the author combined his work in quality assurance and quality control points with function deployment used in Value Engineering."

"Mr. Akao described QFD as a “method to transform user demands into design quality, to deploy the functions forming quality, and to deploy methods for achieving the design quality into subsystems and component parts, and ultimately to specific elements of the manufacturing process.”" JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 04:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

QFD -- I did not say those specific words!
The originator/author of QFD said those words which were taken from the left-most column in Figure A.1, Trends in references to QFD p340 of AKAO's original text on this subject. I did not put quotes around the words because of the way it was extracted from the figure (direct quotes would have been a minor error in usage.) So it is not in direct quotes. AKAO wrote this text in conjunction with Shigeru Mizun, however, the technique was developed, according to AKAO, before their association. You seem to be interfering with people receiving valid information presented in a form that meets the Wikipedia requirements in every way that I have been exposed to. The talk page information that you are providing appears to be personal opinion and conjecture. I do not understand the motive for this. There is no contest involved here -- only a sincere effort to provide verifiable knowledge. It you will take a copy of Akao's text out of the library and find one jot or tiddle incorrectly presented then I shall humbly take my offering away. Otherwise, please move on to areas where your skill is more urgently needed.

Still with best regards,

Joe

I have made a partial revert. I left in the quote, but removed the POV in the beginning. JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 04:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

truce - but no you are not correct
lets get somebody of official standing involved.

You seem to be very knowledgable about Wikipedia ways so please tell me how we can get this going. I have a very poor internet connection so this is painstakingly difficult for me to work through, but I am not in good conscious able to let your judgment prevail when I believe that you are 100% incorrect. So I will once again change this back so that the third party of official standing in Wikipedia hierarchy, whoever it is, can see what is going on without any partial edit to figure out. This should produce a satisfactory conclusion, if not to ourselves, then at least to the Wikipedia community.

Joe

I have started an ANI comment on this matter. JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 05:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I do not know what an ANI -Please Help Explain
I do not know the ways of what I'm getting involved in, only that I know more needs done. Please be patient - if you say ANI gets the appropriate Wikipedia parties involved I of course believe you, I just don't know what that is. Thanks for taking the step though. None of this is familiar to me. I need to sign off for this evening. Probably a good thing to let things sit a while and give others a chance to look - yes?

Joe

The ANI is the administrator's noticeboard for incidents. It is to resolve conflicts. JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 05:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)