User talk:Rkitko/Archive13

first post!
G'day mate,

Wikisource:Page:An introduction to physiological and systematical botany (1st edition).djvu/225 and succeeding pages are phrased so as to give the impression that this is the first publication of the notion that the pitcher plants are carnivorous. I don't know if that is true (that this had not previously been published); but if it is then I thought it might be of interest.

Hesperian 07:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Your image
Hello. I have moved your image to Commons: commons:File:LVCarborday.jpg.03:31, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Creating Cultivar Pages
I am interested in creating some pages for Bromeliad cultivars. Can you point me to any examples that might be useful?

Bromels (talk) 19:58, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure. I've done a few that I can point to. Take a look at Dionaea muscipula 'Bohemian Garnet' and Stylidium graminifolium 'ST111'. I should mention that cultivars aren't seen as automatically meeting our notability guidelines for inclusion, so you should probably try to include mention of why it's an important cultivar and definitely include a reference. Note that the cultivar articles are usually titled as you would see them in other literature, as above with single quotes (unless the cultivar is so well known by its cultivar name that we'd title it there, like Granny Smith, but I doubt you'll have that problem with bromeliads). The Infobox cultivar is a little different from the Taxobox and you can find instructions on how to use the different parameters of the cultivar infobox at WikiProject Tree of Life/Cultivar infobox. I hope that helps. If you need anything else, let me know! --Rkitko (talk) 23:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Oryza glaberrima
Hello Rkitko,

I have posted some comments at Talk:Oryza glaberrima regarding the recent move. Wapondaponda (talk) 05:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Defaultsort
Yes this is a known issue. The solution I preferred and was implementing was simply to provide all species with a defaultsort. By going through each in order it would not even create any temporary anomalies. At the same time I was providing explicit (lowercase) sort orders for species within their genus. A good example of this is at Category:Abies, the old state of affairs is at Category talk:Abies. The problem with providing an exception is that there will be many cases where a defaultsort is added by someone who does not know about the exception. The problem with the process I was performing was that one user thinks it breaks stuff, and essentially vetoed it. The thing is basically very simple, but unfortunately with all the ramifications it is complex User:Rich_Farmbrough/Category_sorting_conventions is where I started to write it up. Your point in respect of moves is well taken - of course it applies to all pages not just species pages - the simple solution unfortunately is not possible because we are hamstrung by lack of proper string functions, other possibilities are bot monitoring or a template that compares the lc version of the pagename with the lc version of a parameter and raises a category if they aren't equal - but O have campaigned long and hard to get DEFAULTSORT out of templates. Anyway look at Abies and see what you think. Rich Farmbrough, 23:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC).
 * FYI, the "one user" was me. Rather than "veto"ing it, I thought I was challenging Rich to test consensus for his grand plan. Hesperian 00:21, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Cedrus
Hi! Your comment is asked here. Krasanen (talk) 18:46, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Utricularia nav template
I just created Template:Utricularia and would like to hear your thoughts on it before going any further. The species list is based on the list of carnivorous plants so may not be 100% up-to-date. Also, I wasn't able to figure out how to make it autocollapse; perhaps it would be better if the whole thing used Template:Navbox? Let me know what you think. Cheers, mgiganteus1 (talk) 02:20, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me! I kept List of carnivorous plants updated with the changes I made to List of Utricularia species when I was updating taxonomy, spelling, and adding species, so the list should be the same. Just to be sure, I double checked with AWB and the lists correspond 1:1. NavFrame had the info necessary to autocollapse, so I updated that for you. Looks ok to me! I still can't believe how far we've come in terms of completion with yet so many articles to be created. I'll get back to Drosera stub creation here soon as we descend further into winter. Oh, and by the way, did you see the new article in the Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society? 10.1111/j.1095-8339.2009.01014.x Mark W. Chase, Maarten J. M. Christenhusz, Dawn Sanders, Michael F. Fay. Murderous plants: Victorian Gothic, Darwin and modern insights into vegetable carnivory. Botanical Journal of the Linnean Society, 2009; 161 (4): 329. Looks like I'll be adding new info to protocarnivorous plant! Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 04:36, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Moore (2001)
G'day mate,

Any chance you might be able to pass me a copy of ?

Hesperian 14:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * That volume of the journal doesn't seem to be held in any of the libraries that share resources with mine and I don't have immediate pdf access to it, but I can certainly send for it through inter-library loan. It might take a week or so; is that ok? Rkitko (talk) 14:24, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * If it's no trouble. There's no rush. Thanks. Hesperian 00:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Here's another one, possibly even more challenging:. Please let me know if I'm overstaying my welcome here. And if you're wondering where I'm going with this, the primary interest is Robert Brown (botanist); but here, as often, I am guilty to finding the main topic overwhelming, and so focussing instead on some peripheral topic: in this case William Westall. Hesperian 12:29, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's no problem at all. Please feel free to use my ILL access any time you need to =) I'm friendly with the library staff and they know I already make quite a few obscure requests. Volume 40 isn't in any of the resource-share libraries, either, so I'll go ahead and send for the specific article. Hopefully they'll just send a pdf that I can forward on to you. I'll let you know when they come in. --Rkitko (talk) 23:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm. This second one - is that the Journal of South African Botany, distinct from the South African Journal of Botany? And the lending libraries seem to have supplementary volume 40 but not the regular volume 40. I assumed it's not Suppl. Vol. 40, correct? The answer depends on which system I use to order from. The library staff gets annoyed when you request an ILL when you don't need to. --Rkitko (talk) 16:41, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the slow response.
 * Definitely "Journal of", and apparently regular volume 40. The two citations I have to it are, verbatim,
 * Rourke, J.P. (1974), Robert Brown at the Cape of Good Hope, J.S. African Bot. 40:47-60.
 * and
 * Rourke, J. P. 1974. Robert Brown at the Cape of Good Hope. Journal of South African Botany 40: 47–60.
 * Does that mean it can't be got? Hesperian 12:49, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It can be got. There are just annoying parallel library loan systems. If it had been the supplemental volume 40 that is in the holdings of a cooperative library, I have to order from the system where the lending library sends it free of charge since we reciprocate with our holdings to them. If I had requested an interlibrary loan on the other system (the one that can request holdings from most libraries worldwide), I would have received an irate email about it being available on the other system and I Should Have Known Better. It's eyeroll-inducing complexity, but they both have been ordered from ILL and it should be a few days to weeks before they arrive. Sometimes they're unable to meet the request because no lending library will send the volume or photocopy it due to the poor condition, but I doubt that in this case. I'll let you know as soon as they're in! And despite my minor rant on the subject, I'm happy to get any publications for you that you can't obtain yourself. Heck, about two years ago I even spent some time on a visit to the University of Michigan photocopying and scanning Taxonomy of the Gastropoda (Bouchet & Rocroi, 2005) for User:JoJan, and that was one enormous journal article spanning two issues and ~400 pages. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 15:28, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Understood; thanks! Hesperian 00:23, 12 December 2009 (UTC)