User talk:Rkitko/Archive6

Thanks...
...for fixing my Plant articles needing a taxobox link. I'm glad that one is finally settled.--Curtis Clark (talk) 16:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hear, hear! --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Roscoe Village
Thanks for the note! I just wanted to note: it's the general practise with county navboxes not to include neighborhoods, regardless of how they became neighborhoods — for example, we don't have one on Ohio City (Cuyahoga County), Ohio. It's the same with other areas that aren't "their own" anymore, such as Mill Creek Township, Hamilton County, Ohio. Thanks for the note, but I don't think it would work. I don't deal much at all with formerly-incorporated-now-annexed-communities such as Roscoe Village or Ohio City, so I haven't a clue whether it would work to have a separate template for them. I can tell you that there aren't many articles on paper townships (such as Mill Creek) statewide, and there aren't that many formerly incorporated communities statewide, so a template would likely be useful only if you made one for the entire state. Perhaps you could propose it on the state wikiproject page, or simply be bold and make one? If you want to go ahead with this, I can give you some names of places in the state that would go on such a template. Nyttend (talk) 20:46, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no problem at all with having an article on a community such as Roscoe Village; as long as it has a recognised existence, OUTCOMES says that there's consensus. I understand that it's not a "neighborhood" per se; I just use the term to mean "a small part of a larger community".
 * Currently-existing communities are considered to have notability, as do ghost towns and formerly-existing communities — assuming that you can prove their existence, of course. Go to this page to get the complete GNIS listing for the county: you can get it to search for populated places and post offices (as well as dozens of other categories of things and places), which include historical communities and post offices as well.  A reference from this source is considered good enough for an article.
 * As far as the list of Knox County communities: you have two options:
 * A separate article on each community, as they would likely all be considered sufficiently notable. In this case, you'd do better to include separate links on the Knox County page.
 * A single list of all the communities, with a section on each community, similar to the township listings of Defunct townships of Cuyahoga County, Ohio. If you decide to go this way, the best name would be "___ of Knox County, Ohio", with the ___ being "ghost towns" or "former communities" or anything along that line.
 * Keep me updated, and I'll do what I can to help you! Nyttend (talk) 02:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * In case you didn't look at the GNIS link yet: for Knox County, it lists ten post offices and forty "historical" (former) post offices. I would have given this last night, but for some reason my computer couldn't access GNIS records.  Nyttend (talk) 13:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Floro
Hi,

I know it's not your area of expertise, but I just hit the end of a long day of editing, and I just hit up against this. I've done a bit, but my editing stops for the day shortly. Could you have a gander? I'll drop Floro a line.

WLU (talk) 20:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Yay!
--EncycloPetey (talk) 07:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Newton High School (New Jersey)
Kurt Weaver is the assistant principal at Halstead Middle School. Walton is at Newton High School. -- 16:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The info about Mr. Walton being assistant principal comes from the Newton Board of Ed. I have contact with school officials in Newton. -- 20:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SNIyer12 (talk • contribs)

Category cleanup, etc.
Some of those quotes were deliberately disruptive, and should be rolled back without so much as a how'd'y'do. As for the others, I shall leave it in your capable hands to establish and carry out consensus. It suffices to figure out what consensus is, and implement it. You're under no obligation to convince Carol that the consensus is good and wise and just, and frankly I don't think that would be possible, so why waste time trying.

I'm not convinced that the need for administrative intervention to protect the encyclopedia has entirely passed, and as you know, it is forbidden to take administrative action against someone with whom you are in editorial dispute. Therefore I shall abstain from involving myself in the editorial discussion. I'll keep half an eye out for further disruption. If I miss it, feel free to let me know.

Golly, that's cold. The weather's reasonably nice here at the moment: 19-33°C today and tomorrow. The forecast for Thursday through Sunday is 22–38°C, which is starting to get a bit uncomfortable. But it's a low humidity heat, and it comes with the Fremantle Doctor, so it isn't as bad as it sounds. Hesperian 04:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanking for Welcome
Thank You very much for your nice Welcome massage.Shoteh (talk) 17:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Etrog Talk Page
Etrog is not a certain cultivar within citrus medica, but is how the Jews are calling it, according to the special use during Tabernacles. The Greek Citron is actually called variety etrog, but in fact many other varieties ( for e.g. the Diamante) are even preferred by many.Shoteh (talk) 17:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Rkitko, You are probably right about the matter but I don't find the box which fitt the purpose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoteh (talk • contribs) 18:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I placed an image at Diamante citron and the very important caption doesn't show up. I would appriciate if you can fix it. Shoteh (talk) 20:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much Shoteh (talk) 20:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please get a translation of the latin text from Giovanni Baptista Ferrari regarding the Diamante citron, as well as the same about the Greek Citron in the following page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoteh (talk • contribs)

Nice Example
Three reverts and you get blocked? -- carol 19:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Pilosella/Hieracium/Hawkweed
I think we need to collate a few good recent ereferences to do something about the articles surrounding Hieracium sensu lato, because that genus is from the start a mess to deal with (much worse than Potentilla stuff, which we dealt wuith fairly easily, though I'm wondering whether to include the suggested Fragaria merge). Circeus (talk) 01:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Nepenthes peltata
Ooh, I missed this one. Thanks for the heads-up! Unfortunately I don't have access to this journal, nor do I know Japanese. :( Mgiganteus1 (talk) 00:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Choices
I meant to follow up on this, but didn't get around to it:
 * Ever have one of those "I can't choose between the items on my to do list" attacks?

What does that tell you?

Yes, constantly. At one point, I had so many priorities that I decided to write down a list, and work through it. I placed no obligation upon myself to work through the tasks in order, but refused to remove a task until it was done. Invariably, in the time it took me to complete one task, I added three more to the list. The list grew to four pages long. Still, I considered it a success, as I was getting things done. Then one fine day Peter Horn started bugging me about ambiguous island names, and before I knew it I was working on the Houtman Abrolhos. Now I don't even know where my list is! And I haven't touched a Banksia article for over three months. :-(

Hesperian 04:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Utricularia olivacea
Hello! I'm very glad to contact you in my horrour English. You are absolutly on correct about Thuja, heavy wrong for me and for zipcodezoo to find synonyms. Cheers, Rosarinagazo (talk) 00:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Regional categories
I've always considered that if a plant occurs in almost all states, than using state categories when you can have region ones is troublesome. I was supposed to work something about it (I'm sure I mentioned it at WT:PLANTS, but then there was the accident. I'm getting a new laptop soon and hopefully will be able to transfer my old data on it. I'll try to jumpstart a full-blown discussion then. Circeus (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Any thoughts?
Requests for comment/MPF seems dead in the water, but with the RFC open, I'm hesitant to fix the problems (such as in Acer negundo). I'm also just tired of fixing the same problems over and over, year after year, if you know what I mean (I'm not as active on Wikipedia as I once was, mostly because I got tired of agruing with him). -- SB_Johnny | talk  11:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup of Senecio vulgaris
Since you moved the images from the left to the right, little edit links cover the text. Can you move the images to the other side again? -- carol 06:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

A javascript robot peed....
Out of respect for the changes you made to the wording and well, for the article itself, I put it up for pee review where, apparently, a bot peed on it first. The bot did not like the way that the web citation template handles dates which I don't think I can be responsible for that. In fact, a lot that the bot did not like was the way that templates work. One of the suggestions was to not have a gallery. Do you think that will be a problem when a human being pees on it? -- carol 06:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Italics
I have used a program to edit Flora of Ohio without manually going through entries. I could adapt it to make italics if you and Vlmastra agree on formatting. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Which "f." bits? Is that something in other articles? I know almost nothing about flora. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have italicized the rest. Changing "×" to "× " would be a simple search-and-replace in a text editor - at least currently where "×" is never followed by a space already. I will let the flora editors decide that (I had no idea what × meant until Vlmastra told me). PrimeHunter (talk) 16:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Newton High School (New Jersey)
Why does my edit keep getting deleted?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jp4president (talk • contribs) 22:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Cephalotus
I made a little mess, can you help to sort it out. I went to this article to remove the fact tag at some taxonomy and, as usual, got in over my head. My search for some clue turned up an article that seemed to be a blatant copyvio, I dutifully started rewriting it and went to add the citation - it turns out to be a duplication of our article :P [groans] So, before I revert the whole thing, can you have a look at the last couple of versions - maybe give it a copyedit and sort out the possibly erroneous taxonomy. Then I can strike it off the list and pretend I have done something useful. cygnis insignis 10:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Cephalotus a lovely and interesting plant, it was quite a thrill when I was first shown one. I will make the usual promise to photograph the next one I find. Cheers, cygnis insignis 17:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Senecio squalidus Lead
First and most of all, thank you for the numbered list of things that will improve the article for Senecio squalidus; the suggestions were very good and will be worked with and followed. I am needing to get a few things out of my brain first -- they might look defensive and probably they are.
 * 1) and
 * 2) -- I write about them together because when I wrote that the plant was pretty it was like giving it a +1 and then in the same sentence I wrote that it was a garden thug which is like a -1.  The total of that sentence is 0 (zero) and doesn't exist.
 * 3) thanks for the genus name rule -- I have often have no clue how the official formating of the words works and looking for or at an article which has these issues presented correctly doesn't seem to be on my list of things to do when I am formatting them wrongly.  Or, you made it easy for me there -- thank you.
 * 4) I would have never caught that.
 * 5) This is the difficult suggestion -- it is the people in the tale of Senecio squalidus which is the very interesting thing.  Oh, it was kind of cool to find out that growing on English stone walls is similar enough to growing in old lava for this plant, but the way the 16th and 17th century botanists spatted and the son getting really peeved and letting loose seeds of things that changed the landscape there forever -- this was fun to read and seriously made me want to travel the railway between Oxford and Tilehurst to see if it was all true!

Also, I never saw the quote box before -- there is too much stuff here for a short attention span like mine -- seriously.

Then one seemingly small and petty request -- if you could not use the word 'Quality' when reviewing any article I have started or expanded. This word has been used too often in the last few months of what little life there is in California for me compared to the really large life I had before. Thank you. -- carol (talk) 01:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Well I must be wrong then....
Because according to my up-to-date Biology book, Volvox is in the Kingdom Protista. And because we've been studying Protists, I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong. However, the Volvox is a Colonial Green Algae which lives in colonies (as its name suggests) and due to this it "straddles the fence between colonial and multicellular life" and it can be confused with a plant. Along with all of the other algae types. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lazzo1 (talk • contribs) 01:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I also have a question
I want to start page and i want to make sure it is good enough ahead of time so if you could help me my e-mail is ******* (edited out to avoid spam). Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lazzo1 (talk • contribs) 01:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

New Euphorbia-stub
Per discussion in January, I have created a new Euphorbia-stub template and category. Since all the new items will be species of Euphorbia in Category:Euphorb stubs, the transfer of all those articles seems like a good job for Botany Bot. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Next new stub: Myristicaceae-stub. There are three large genera currently in Category:Magnoliales stubs that should be re-tagged: Horsfieldia, Knema, and Myristica. I've already transferred the small genera. Note also that I've proposed several new plant stubs. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And thanks again! --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Last set: The genus Schefflera is currently in Category:Apiales stubs, but should be stubbed as Araliaceae-stub. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

...and on an unrelated note: why is Sarraceniaceae still a stub!? --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

DAB dangit!
Can you move the stuff you mentioned here? I would do it but I forsee that I would screw up the history of the pages again.

I am in great need of a terminology article -- list of words and definitions. For me, somewhat new to botany -- for example, I never saw the word forb before in any of the plant literature I read. And, I am just rambling now... -- carol (talk) 04:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I made the list, now I don't use the words. I will laugh about this when I move it back and remove the links to it. -- carol (talk) 13:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

a citation call
I have been having a problem with some of my ways. The thing that is bothering me the most right now is that I have made citations to papers in which I only read the abstract of.

My instinct tells me to remove the access date from it and that will be more honest.

If you know what to do in this situation, can you tell me? If you don't know what to do, I would be happy if you made a call on it.

The citation formalities -- they were all hardcoded before the web was even imagined. Possibly, adding a url location to the existing databases everywhere that used them was or even is quite a challenge. -- carol (talk) 13:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:Franciszek Kamieński
This is his name as used by Polish sources. It is not uncommon for non-Polish sources to use other name variants; considering it was the time of partitions of Poland, Russification and Germanization were particularly common - although I admit I don't recall seeing both of them at the same time before :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Account merger
As an admin with accounts on multiple projects, this may interest you: wikt:Wiktionary:Beer parlour. You'll never have to create a new account on another WM project again, just log in. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

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Lackawanna Cut-Off
Perhaps we can come to a common understanding on the Lackawanna Cut-Off article. If I hadn't placed the collection of photos on the page (all of which except the historical photos I've taken personally), I don't think I'd be writing this right now. I didn't create the file, but after starting with basically a shell (minimal stuff, no pictures and limited text) I've also written about 85% (a rough guess) of the text. I've seen some pretty good additions to the text, but I'd like to see more (and not from me!). I'll note that I've given presentations before most of the municipalities along the Cut-Off, and that I personally met Jerry Turco a number of times, so some of my information is actually first-hand.

I'd also like to see some more photos. Since you live in the area also, I would encourage you to see if you can take additional shots.

Anyway, for a better visual look--in other words eye-catching appeal--I suggest that the Paulins Kill Viaduct and Cut-Off map surround the introductory text. I wish I had a better electronic version of the map, but it was the best I had immediately available, and my attempts to create a better map have thus far failed. I haven't been in to edit the page in quite some time and I see a significant degradation in the look of the "Interesting Facts" section, with large blocks of white space. There are also numerous "dead" links that another author insists on putting in for station references...a great idea, but it looks pretty bad if the target file is empty. But he is insistent. As I am, I'll admit. Personally, I would agree on a 300 px limit on the secondary photos, but I believe lead photos in the 350 - 400 px are not inappropriate. If someone has dial up (versus high-speed) internet service, I don't know that putting in tiny photos does the page, or the subject, any justice. I presume that we both would like to see the Cut-Off reactivated.

Be that as it may, dinner is about to be served. I'm optimistic that maybe we can work something out.

Chuck Walsh--Wally From Columbia (NJ) (talk) 22:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)