User talk:Rlendog/Archive 2

Thank you!

 * Thank you very much. My first Barnstar!  But your contributions have been outstanding! Rlendog (talk) 23:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You deserve (and will get) more. Keep up the hard work!  - Visionholder (talk) 00:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Range maps
Per our discussion on my talk page, I want to reiterate (in case you haven't made it back) that Inkscape, if you can install it somewhere, is absolutely the way to go for making range maps. Depending on how you want things done, I might even be able to help. The SVG format is amazing, and although I've had a couple problems so far, Inkscape is an excellent piece of software. Even when I encounter limitations with the software, I've learned how to get around them by simply editing the SVG file in a text editor. If there's any way I can help you get into this, let me know. In the meantime, feel free to check out the new Ring-tailed Lemur range map: Image:Lemur_catta_range_map.svg! –Visionholder (talk) 05:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm going to try to check that out over the weekend. I saw the new Ring-tailed Lemur map.  It looks great! Rlendog (talk) 14:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films October 2008 Newsletter
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Sperm Whale
Yeah, my only sources (two) are given on the Sperm Whale Discussion page under the title "Dispute Settled" or something along those lines. I find my use of a photo and a single other source to be more relaible and convincing than some source (http://www.spermwhales.info) stating that the average jaw represents 20-25% without giving a citation or even a reference of any sort. I guess you would call half of my sources original research, so I guess you can only use Maury (1850s) as a source.

Off the top of my head I can't tell you the difference chemically between sperm oil and spermaceti, but I do know that spermaceti (or stearin, as they also called it) was a waxy substance that remained from the three pressings (winter, spring, and taut-pressed oil) of sperm oil. So, in the simplest terms, I guess you could call one a liquid and the other a wax. I know Davis et al (1997) and Mawar (1999) go into detail about the process. Jonas Poole (talk) 05:01, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. The best I found in Maury was on page 297 - a particular 62 ft whale had a 16 ft jaw.  Since that is not exactly 25%, and the proportions may vary (including the one in your photo), it is probably better to equivocate a bit and say "about 25%" and use both sources.  As for spermaceti and sperm oil, I'm pretty sure you are correct.  I did find a couple of articles by Malcolm Clarke on the subject, that I referenced in the Spermaceti section, and I'll go through those and the other sources (including the ones you mentioned if I can find them) to try to pinpoint the distinction.Rlendog (talk) 05:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I forgot to add this last night. What the GA review said didn't need to be in the Whaling section go ahead and remove. I would myself, but I'm absolutely horrible at summarizing anything. Jonas Poole (talk) 23:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I made a new article, Sperm Whaling, so that all the information there can be preserved somewhere. I thought that it was too Sperm Whale specific to just merge into Whaling. Rlendog (talk) 02:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I removed the reference to "sperm oil", as distinct from "spermaceti", being sought after from the whales. As far as I can tell, only one substance, alternatively called "spermaceti" or "spermaceti oil" was be taken from the whale.  There may have been distinct products produced from processing that substance, but those weren't distinct things being sought after from the whale itself.  That processing and the resulting products should probably be added to the spermaceti article. Rlendog (talk) 04:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I honestly don't understand what you're saying. Most of the product taken from the whale was sperm oil, distinct from speramceti, which only made up a small fraction of the total product. Either you're saying only sperm oil was taken from the sperm whale (which isn't true) or you're saying only spermaceti was taken (which is impossible). I'll be reverting it back, as the two are distinct. Jonas Poole (talk) 01:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * "The case oil could be bailed directly from the head into barrels. It was virtually pure spermaceti... Oil was extracted in try-pots from the junk, the white horse, and the blubber. This oil also contained speramceti. The degree of concentratioin varied, depending upon the part of the body from which the oil was taken, but nowhere was it as high as in the head oil. The head and blubber oils were kept separate aboard ship, but combined ashore being refining began." (Davis et al. 1997, p. 344). What remained from the processing ashore of the head and blubber oil was pure speramceti, the majority of which went into the processing of candles. How could a waxy substance like spermaceti, as opposed to, say sperm oil, be used in oil lamps or in lubrication? It was the sperm oil that was used in these industries, not spermaceti. So how could these two products possibly be interchangeable if they could not be used in the same industries? They were also considered separate substances in the flensing aboard ship as well. Jonas Poole (talk) 02:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Per Malcolm Clarke's articles, the "spermaceti oil" can be solid or liquid, or part solid and part liquid, depending on temperature and pressure. And this flexibility generates speculation that the spermaceti organ helps control bouyancy in deep dives (as the whale dives deeper, the greater pressure and lower temperature causes more of the spermaceti oil to solidify).  So the "stuff" that whalers took out of the junk or spermaceti organ was likely spermaceti oil, in either solid or liquid form.  Now, once it was processed it could have generated multiple compounds for multiple uses, analogous to crude oil (or even olive oil, where different pressings have different properties).  Now, if by "sperm oil" you are referring to something other than what comes from the spermaceti organ, such as blubber, that probably is a different substance.  But is that a substance particular to sperm whales, as opposed to other large whales?  If they were getting an oil out of the blubber, I agree we should mention that as separate from spermaceti, but note that it is a product from the blubber and not necessarily from the spermaceti organ.Rlendog (talk) 04:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll note that the Spermaceti article seems a bit confused about what spermaceti is. On the one hand, it states that "Spermaceti is extracted from whale oil by crystallisation at 6 °C, when treated by pressure and a chemical solution of caustic alkali" (which is consistent with spermaceti oil producing solids within the whale at high pressure and low temperature).  And whale oil is defined by the whale oil as "oil obtained from the blubber of various species of whales", particlularly Right and Bowhead Whales, but later in the lead paragraphs states that "the most important whale oil was sperm or spermaceti oil, yielded by Sperm Whales."  But later the in the Spermaceti article it states that spermaceti is taken from the Sperm Whale's head: "The sperm whale's head was either brought on deck or lashed to the side of the ship where the whalemen would cut a hole in the case. The spermaceti could then be drawn out by bucket or a whaleman would enter the hole and manually remove the fluid. Once gathered the spermaceti would be placed in barrels for the voyage home."  This latter item, taken from the head (and presumably the spermaceti organ) is what the scientific literature seems to refer to as "spermaceti". Rlendog (talk) 04:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed the term "sperm oil" to "whale oil" in the Whaling section, and linked it to the whale oil article. Maybe this will relieve the confusion.Rlendog (talk) 04:41, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Product wise, sperm oil and whale oil were considered to be separate by American whaling merchants. The former was a higher quality oil and thus obtained higher prices. Chemically speaking, I can't remember the differences as I can't find the source (or sources) that stated how they differed. So speaking from an economic point of view, the two should be considered separate. Any time I see whale oil in the place of sperm oil I just get confused as I don't see the two as the same, which, unfortunately, the whale oil articles carelessly does.
 * And read my quote of Davis et al (1997) again. I don't know how else to explain that sperm oil (head and body oil combined) and spermaceti (which primarily came from the case, but also in smaller quantities in the body oil) were separate. It appears Clarke is combining the two to create a lot of confusion here. I'll have to read the pdf to see. I'm quessing he wasn't careful in the way he worded things. Jonas Poole (talk) 01:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh... He wasn't careful with his wording. Sperm oil and spermaceti oil were sometimes used interchangeably, which can create confusion. In the article he's only talking about spermaceti, but refers to it as "spermaceti oil" (which is technically the correct term for it before the case is bailed by the whalemen, but not for when it is bailed and congeals) when he really should have only said spermaceti. Ugh. I'm glad that was put to rest. Jonas Poole (talk) 01:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried to distinguish the sperm oil and spermaceti a bit more as follows: "Spermaceti, obtained primarily from the spermaceti organ and junk, and sperm oil, obtained primarily from the blubber in the body, were much sought after by 18th, 19th and 20th century whalers." How is that? Rlendog (talk) 05:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

It was a genuine pleasure working with you. Many thanks for the Barnstar! --Philcha (talk) 17:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Palin Article
I hope you will put back what I added for the sake of historical accuracy. NorthernThunder (talk) 05:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The source provided does not say that the Secret Service claims that Palin's attacks led to the death threats. The source says that the death threats were coincident with Palin's attacks, but correlation does not imply causation.  For example, one could equally take the article to imply that the death threats led to Palin's attacks as vice versa.  But the more plausable explanation is that Palin's attacks and the white supremists' death threats were independent reactions, neither causing the other to a particular cause, namely, the faultering of McCain's campaign.  Other events happened around the same time as well - e.g., economic events, debates - but these no more led to or caused the death threats than Palin's remarks did. Rlendog (talk) 14:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Bottlenose Dolphin and WikiProject New Jersey
Hi Rlendog, I was reviewing some things for WPNJ and noticed that Bottlenose Dolphin was showing up as a GA for the project. About a month ago you added the WPNJ tag to the article's talk page, and I was wondering if it was really appropriate for the scope of that particular project? Maybe I am missing the connection, but did you really mean that Bottlenose Dolphins are a New Jersey-related subject specifically?  Jim Miller  See me 17:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe not. There are certainly whale watching activities in Cape May that highlight a pod of bottlenose dolphins that spend most of the year in the waters off Cape May, but I suppose that bottlenose dolphin watching may take place in other states as well, so maybe an NJ specific tag is a bit much. Rlendog (talk) 03:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Saimiri oerstedii
Hello Rlendog Would you please contact Saimiri Wildlife (www.saimiri@saimiri.org) We would like to ask for some help on the english version of our homepage. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.60.237.111 (talk) 19:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

The Monkey Incident
Yes, you were right. It is a black-capped squirrel monkey. I was an utter fool. I will change it posthaste. The High Fin Sperm Whale (talk) 04:12, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No reason to call yourself a fool. It was an easy mistake to make since both species look very similar. Rlendog (talk) 04:16, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Primate at FAC
Hey Rlendog! As a previous reviewer of Primate at FAC it would be great if you could have another look at the article. The FAC has been restarted, and any comments would be greatly appreciated. Not sure if you are allowed to support/oppose though, there might be a conflict-of-interest? Oh and sorry for the copy-and-paste job! Cheers, Jack (talk) 17:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films November 2008 Newsletter
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Imperial Triple Crown jewels
Thank you for contributions to the project, Great work, especially on South American Coati - thanks for writing this most interesting piece. May you wear the crowns well. Cirt (talk) 01:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Picture of Jean Vrolicq's 1634 map
Yeah, I get frustrated easily. How would like to help me out and get this image (http://books.google.com/books?id=DtYBAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA332&dq=Jonas+Poole&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html) unto this (Jean Vrolicq) page. Screw learnin'. Jonas Poole (talk) 01:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to help, but I have no idea how to get an image from that file into Wikipedia. Rlendog (talk) 05:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

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Featured list candidates/List of New York Islanders head coaches
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GA
I've started reviewing your squirrel article, not finished yet, but enough to get you started methinks, jimfbleak (talk) 16:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will try to fix these over the weekend.  So far it doesn't seem too bad. Rlendog (talk) 17:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

One editor changing ratings
I seldom get involved in discussions, or WikiProjects, etc. so I don't know all the channels to pursue with what I feel is one editor stepping over the line and reassessing previous ratings on albums and bands. I've noted several were previously rated by you and in my estimation with merit. So if you're interested, here's a link to one of them: Thanks, Agadant (talk) 14:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. To be honest, I am not terribly concerned about the difference between "top" and "high", so unless there is a really egregious change (such as, say, Like a Rolling Stone) I am content to let it pass.  If you disagree with his changes you are free to revert, but if he changes back I would not think it would be worth edit warring over. Rlendog (talk) 18:45, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Whale Watchin'
Yeah, seeing those killers was nuts. They were transients. A mother, her adult son, a calf, and maybe one or two more. They came within twenty yards of the stern, but I had run out of film! I almost didn't see the harbor porpoise. We were close to shore watching bald eagles when the guide yelled out that one had surfaced. After repeatedly missing it with my binoculars I got a glimpse or two of it surfacing some distance from the bow. It disappeared after that. It only showed a small portion of its back and dorsal fin. I saw the blues in 2006. I haven't gone in the summer since. I saw them on four trips, three or four the first few trips and only one or two on the last. I was lucky enough to see fin and blues on the first one. A blue and a fin surfaced simultaneously, about a hundred yards apart, going in the same direction. I've wanted to see minkes for so long. For some reason they've seen quite a few out of Dana Point and Newport the past year or so, but I haven't been out since March of last year (and we only saw some offshore bottlenose on that trip). Seeing a North Atlantic right would be surreal. In fact, any species of right would be. Thinking of maybe going down to Albany to see some southern rights sometime in the very distant future. Might as well. That way I get to see the old whaling station and whales on the same trip. Jonas Poole (talk) 04:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK
Hello. Thank you for your comment about Fauna of Saskatchewan The link is fixed in the reference. Will change the location. The time zone I am in mucks up dates a lot. Wikipedia pages are quite often on a different day than I am on. I always add the DYK to the top of the page....but....ah well. Will see if the move works well. Kind Regards SriMesh |  talk  14:39, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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A useful script
Hi Rlendog. You probably noticed that I just put the proper accents into players' names on one of your baseball lists. I found these through a very useful script. Since you work with baseball lists a lot, I think this script will be useful for finding redirects for player's names and correcting mispellings (the script finds redirects and disambigution links). Regards, Dabomb87 (talk) 02:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Rlendog (talk) 17:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

A30 matriline article
Thank you very much for adding a modicum of "officialness" to this article with the template. At one time I removed the deletion tag, but another editor didn't like my initial reference, undid it, and restored the tag. Being new here, I don't know how to appeal a deletion - can you help?

Thanks again.

Vulture19 (talk) 20:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Right now, this just looks like a nomination to delete. The deletion tag needs to remain so people can be aware that this article is being considered for deletion, and can comment.  If you want to add your voice to the discussion, follow the link from "leave comments" on the deletion tag, and note whether you beleive that the article should be kept (start with keep), deleted (start with delete), merged into another article (start with merge) or if you just have a comment or question (start with comment).  Then state your reasons for believing keep, delete or merge is appropriate, or state your comment or question. Rlendog (talk) 20:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It was changed to a nomination after I removed the original tag which would have deleted it on 02/17/09, I believe. I guess the requester needed to send back to AfD again.


 * Vulture19 (talk) 22:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not really an expert on this, but I think someone can propose a deletion without discussion by using that first template, as long as no one objects. But if someone objects, as you obviously did, they have to go through the full AfD nomination process. Rlendog (talk) 22:58, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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I was really surprised when I saw your note - it did not occur to me that this article could meet the DYK standards. To be honest, I still don't think it does. I pasted this together in an attempt to salvage content from a series of small articles on individual orcas that had been flagged for deletion, hijacked some content from the main killer whale article and put in a few section intros. So I feel more that I assembled the article than wrote it. The subject obviously is of interest to a lot of readers, and I think the "omnibus" approach may work well in giving a broad view of the subject. With luck, other editors will come by and improve the content, references etc. It still needs work. But - thanks! Aymatth2 (talk) 13:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK nom
Hi Rlendog, Sorry about this. May I please ask you for a big, big favor? It is very important for me that the image I provided was used with the nomination. Is it possible to put it to other queue and to use the image? Thank you for your time.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't do anything about that, but one of the DYK admins, like User:Gatoclass may be able to help. Rlendog (talk) 17:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! I saw your message at Gatoclass talk page and left there a message myself. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 18:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


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List of Central American monkey species - DYK issue
I have had a problem verifying the source of your hook for DYK. If you can help, it would be much appreciated. &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 01:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The on line IUCN ref shows the countries that Geoffroy's Spider Monkey lives in, which includes all 7 Central American countries. But the main source for the hook is the table on page 33 of New Perspectives in the Study of Mesoamerican Primates.  There it shows the countries that each species lives in, with Geoffroy's Spider Monkey in all 7, while all the other species are at least missing El Salvador. Rlendog (talk) 02:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

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