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DYK for Tonight I'll Be Staying Here with You
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Caquetá Titi
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Don't Forget to Dance
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Brock Pemberton (baseball)
The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Regarding- List of Cleveland Indians managers
I believe your concerns have been addressed. Your response would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.-- LAA Fan '' 16:21, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

VPC
— raeky  T  23:37, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of Cleveland Indians managers/archive1
Hi Rlendog, and thanks for your review of the above FLC. When you get the chance, can you cap or strike your resolved concerns at the above FLC, and if posssible, state whether you support, oppose or are neutral toward the list's promotion to FL status? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 14:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK review
Thanks for the quick DYK review! I hope you don't mind, but I added a new alt, based on a quote that I came across in reading an article from The Times. Feel free to tweak the wording as needed, and please note that the article's title may change soon. –  VisionHolder « talk » 01:35, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I was heading over there to nominate an article of my own, saw yours and couldn't resist. I am sure it is a coincidence that the lemurs are listed first.  And thanks for the link - I'm glad I now have a link to the report. Rlendog (talk) 01:38, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the lemurs are listed first in the report. I didn't change the ordering.  What can I say?  The people at the IUCN, CI, and IPS have good taste! –  VisionHolder  « talk » 01:43, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually saw that in the report, but couldn't resist the comment. :) Rlendog (talk) 01:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I am surprised the Caquetá Titi didn't make the list, with only 250 adult individuals, but I suppose it is still too new. Rlendog (talk) 02:16, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The list seems to be based on several factors, which I hope to cover in the list text. Some species that used to be on the list still only have 30 or less individuals left, but intense conservation efforts are underway to save them, so they've been removed in favor of species with less protection.  But with nearly half of all primate species listed a threatened, I'm sure the process of choosing can be quite tough. –  VisionHolder  « talk » 02:25, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the species articles
Thank you very much for creating the species and subspecies articles for the red links in the new list I started! It's good to see you creating such high-quality content for WP:PRIMATES again! –  VisionHolder « talk » 06:06, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I couldn't resist resolving those redlinks. It's nice to be back creating primate articles.  I've long been meaning to try to get Geoffroy's Tamarin up to GA.  It's been difficult to find the time - part of it is that I mostly use Explorer, which has slowed to a standstill in recent months when using Wikipedia (even just reading), but now I have some access to Chrome, so it is less frustrating.  Also, much of the time I used to spend writing about primates I now spend chasing around my own little primate. Rlendog (talk) 01:39, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I can imagine how busy you must be. Also, I'm forced to use IE6 when I'm at work, so the best I can do is small edits for most of the day.  Anyway, keep up the good work! –  VisionHolder  « talk » 11:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Nebraska (song)
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:03, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Bruce songs
Good job on the recent Bruce songs adds/expands. FYI in addition to adding a fair amount to Waitin' on a Sunny Day, I've also suggested an expanded hook for it at DYK. Wasted Time R (talk) 16:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I like the expanded hook.  At this point a number of songs from The Rising have received significant coverage, but only a few songs have received articles yet (although it looks like Lonesome Day will be in DYK within a couple of days).  But I think  my next Springsteen project will be Youngstown, which seems to have lots of material from which to create an article (and GOTJ also seems to have few song articles - actually only one). Rlendog (talk) 19:19, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lonesome Day
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Western Purple-faced Langur
The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Niger Delta Red Colobus
The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Waitin' on a Sunny Day
Calmer  Waters  18:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Youngstown (song)
The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The New Timer
The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Microhyla nepenthicola
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

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Dylan articles
Hi Rlendog! Well done for putting in all that hard work into "Lay Down Your Weary Tune". It's really cool that this song has got its own article now...it's long been a favourite Dylan composition of mine and The Byrds' rendition is one of their best covers IMO. I've added a little bit more info on The Byrds' version, although because it's only an album track, there's not been that much written about it.

I've also gone through and made some minor changes to hopefully improve the article a little. The biggest thing I did was move The Byrds' paragraph to a dedicated "Cover versions" section because I felt that mentioning The Byrds right in the middle of the article broke up the flow of the Dylan-related stuff a bit too much. Of course, if you disagree, feel free to move the Byrds' paragraph back to where it was. Anyway, I've mostly done my stuff with this article, so feel free to nominate it for a DYK.

I'll take a look at the "Love Minus Zero/No Limit" article a bit later on today and see if I can improve it in any way. I'll also add an audio sample as you requested, so no worries there. Keep up the good work and I also look forward to working with you on in the future on Wikipedia's many Dylan articles. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 12:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, I've added an audio sample to "Love Minus Zero/No Limit" as requested. Wikipedia only allows the use of 10% of a commercially available recording, which means that you only get about 18 seconds of "Love Minus Zero" (because it's 2:54 in length). Still, it serves to give an indication of what the song sounds like. I've also done a little bit of cleaning up to the article text but nothing too drastic.


 * As someone coming fresh to both the "Lay Down Your Weary Tune" and "Love Minus Zero/No Limit" articles, there are a couple of things that I feel you need to clarify or explain further. In "Love Minus Zero/No Limit", it says that in the Book of Daniel a hand writes on a wall the words "MENE MENE TEKEL UPHARSIN" but the article offers no explanation of what these words mean. In "Lay Down Your waery Tune" it says that the song was replaced by "Restless Farewell" in response to a "Newsweek reporter who in late October 1963 published a story that angered Dylan" but it doesn't outline the nature of the article and more importantly, it doesn't explain how it angered Dylan.


 * I'm also wondering whether or not to add audio samples to the two infoboxes in the "Lay Down Your weary Tune" article. Hmmmmmm... --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 16:15, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I think the audio is perfect, giving the first few lines and a good sense of the melody.  I added some commentary on the MENE MENE TEKEL quote, although I don't think the actual meaning is necessarily related to the song (it turned out to be a warning that the Babylonian kingdom was about to end, which only Daniel was able to read and interpret).  I'll expand the "Lay Down.." bit about Dylan getting pissed at the Newsweek reporter (I think he had just printed a story about Dylan that Dylan disapproved of). But I like your changes there. Rlendog (talk) 01:44, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Rondon's Marmoset
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Nomination of List of Chicago White Sox Opening Day starting pitchers for deletion
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DYK for Lay Down Your Weary Tune
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 06:03, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Love Minus Zero/No Limit
The article Love Minus Zero/No Limit you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Love Minus Zero/No Limit for things which need to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well done on getting this passed and awarded GA status! --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 13:53, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Good job, Riendog! I'm impressed how you and Kohoutek1138 keep steadily churning out the GAs at a rate a lot faster than I'd ever be able to. I hope to get back to "Mr. Tambourine Man" at some point relatively soon, but have been a bit busy in real life. Take care and talk to you again soon! Moisejp (talk) 14:05, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

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Advice on inter-wiki plagiarism
Hi Rlendog! I just wanted to ask your advice on something, since you're an administrator. As I'm sure you know, over the last year or so I've done a lot of work getting The Byrds-related articles up to scratch. It's come to my attention that over the last 3 days Frokor, an editor on the Norwegian version of Wikipedia, has been copying and pasting from The Byrds' articles on the English Wikipedia and creating almost identical versions of the articles—except obviously they're translated into Norweign. I know that they are close to identical because all of the inline citations that I've sourced and used in my articles are duplicated as well. Check out the article for Eight Miles High and its Norweign counterpart here, or It Won't Be Wrong and its counterpart, or Set You Free This Time and the same Norweign article.

I must confess, that this is bugging me a little, although I realise that it's not really any different to when articles that I've worked on are reproduced on Wiki mirror sites. But at least there's attribution given on those mirror sites. If you look at this user's contributions (see here), you'll notice that he's systematically going through every single Byrds-related article on the English Wiki and translating it, but without providing any attribution for the page contents. Looking at WP:COPYWITHIN (specifically the section on "Translating from other language Wikimedia Projects") it seems as though what this editor is doing is frowned upon, at least by the English Wikipedia. I just wondered what you thought I should do? Or am I just being silly about this? --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 19:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Rlendog. Just so you know, I think I've managed to sort this out now anyway. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 07:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Kohoutek. I've been off Wiki for a few days and just saw this now.  I'm actually not sure what can be done about this, but I am glad you got it sorted out. Rlendog (talk) 00:58, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. I didn't realize that it was up for FL, but it is great that it got promoted.  I guess that explains the drama at AfD a few weeks ago. Rlendog (talk) 20:16, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

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Another music sample request
Hi Rlendog! Sure, no problem, I'll give both articles a look over and also add some music samples. I'll get to this in the next day or so. Both articles look pretty good though at first glance. I'm still meaning to go through the "Mr. Tambourine Man" article ahead of its FA review, to weed out any grammatical problems, source a couple of elusive refs and bring in Mild Bill Hiccup to do a bit of light copyediting. Unfortunately, I've been tied up in a one-man crusade to bring The Byrds article up to scratch for a GA review. I'm currently about 3/4 of the way through (maybe 4/5 actually) but there's still a fair bit to do, although I'm certainly enjoying working on it. Anyway, you can expect audio samples to appear in both of those articles over the next day or two. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 03:42, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Rlendog (talk) 00:30, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I've added music samples to these two articles...hopefully you'll think they're OK. The sample of "It's Alright, Ma" I’ve added actually contains two excerpts from the song to highlight both the verse and chorus melodies. If you would rather just have a straight, unaltered sample of the song, just let me know and I'll upload another one. I've also done a little bit of editing to the prose in "It's Alright, Ma" - for clarity, grammar and also to expand upon Paul Williams' comments. Hopefully you won't mind my meddling in this fashion. I plan to take a look at the prose of "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" too but that will have to wait for another day. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 22:55, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Your edits look good.  I had two questions:
 * 1.On my computer, the infobox has a funny format for the succession part in that the close parenthesis from the succeeding song is showing up on the line before the song names themselves, e.g.,
 * "Gates of Eden"          "It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)"             "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue"
 * (9)                               (10)                                              (11
 * The same thing is happening on the "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" infobox. Are you seeing that as well or am I just getting something weird?
 * 2.I wasn't sure if ByrdWatcher: A Field Guide to the Byrds of Los Angeles was a reliable source, although it looks like we used it in Mr. Tambourine Man, so I suppose it must be.
 * Anyway, thanks again! Rlendog (talk) 02:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well spotted about the track listing chronology not displaying properly. I really should've spotted that myself. Near as I can tell, the problem arose because the tracklisting hadn't been assigned a template to use (as in the Extra tracklisting template for instance), so it didn't like it when I added the music sample template after it. Anyway, it all seems to be fixed now.
 * 2.I wasn't sure if ByrdWatcher: A Field Guide to the Byrds of Los Angeles was a reliable source, although it looks like we used it in Mr. Tambourine Man, so I suppose it must be.
 * Anyway, thanks again! Rlendog (talk) 02:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well spotted about the track listing chronology not displaying properly. I really should've spotted that myself. Near as I can tell, the problem arose because the tracklisting hadn't been assigned a template to use (as in the Extra tracklisting template for instance), so it didn't like it when I added the music sample template after it. Anyway, it all seems to be fixed now.


 * As for Byrdwatcher, I consider it a reliable source because a) it's arguably the premier Byrds-related website on the internet (and The Rough Guide to Rock even named it as such), b) a number of ex-members of The Byrds have agreed to be interviewed for the site, and c) because it is currently the only fansite endorsed by the official Roger McGuinn/Byrds web page (see here). Furthermore, the Byrdwatcher site was subjected to a peer review on the reliable sources noticeboard during the Good Article review for Sweetheart of the Rodeo (see here), and the site was found to be a reliable source. Bearing all these things in mind, I'm satisfied that its use on Wikipedia is justified (although the site does get some silly things like dates wrong from time to time - Johnny Rogan's Byrds' biography is still the most reliable source for all things Byrds-related in my opinion).


 * By the way, do you think that the "It's Alright, Ma" artcle needs an infobox for Roger McGuinn's cover version? It is a reasonably well known version, having appeared in a pretty famous film, but I'm not sure whether a second infobox would be overkill. What do you think? --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 04:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think that the Roger McGuinn version is so prominent as to require an infobox, and it may be overkill, but it wouldn't hurt to try and see if you want. Rlendog (talk) 18:20, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah, I think you're right...it's overkill. I'll leave it. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 18:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I've just had a little go at fine tuning the "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" article but I think that there's some problems with the first paragraph of the "Lyrics and music" section that need addressing. I feel as if this paragraph assumes too much prior knowledge on the part of the reader and needs to be more explicit in articulating the information it's trying to put across. I've had a little tinker with it myself but mostly to improve the tone. I didn't want to do too much because this is kind of your baby.

I just think that someone who isn't a particularly big Dylan fan might find this paragraph confusing...hell, I am a big Dylan fan and even I found the bit about the musicians confusing! Were Sam Lay and Frank Owens on earlier takes of the song before being replaced, or were they just the usual drummer and pianist for the Highway 61 album sessions and were replaced only for the "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" takes? I (as a reader) would also like to know why they were replaced - did Dylan have issues with their playing? Also, did Sam Lay and Frank Owens switch to other instruments instead or were they totally absent from takes of the song?

I hope you won't mind me bringing this to your attention Rlendog. I only noticed it because I'm coming to the article with a fresh pair of eyes, and hopefully my pointing out things like this will make for a stronger article. I'll hold off doing any further editing until you've had a chance to clarify this paragraph a little. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 19:36, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you did that. The article did need a 2nd set of eyes on it.  I'll reword the part about the musicians.  What seems to have happened is that Gregg and Griffin, who had played on most of the album, were not available earlier in the day of June 2.  "Highway 61 Revisited" was apparently the 1st song recorded that day, and so Lay played drums and Owens played piano on that song.  Then Dylan moved to "Tom Thumb", with Lay and Owens still playing.  But by the time they got to the later takes, Gregg and Griffin had arrived, and so they took over (but Lay at least seems to have still been playing for the take that was on No Direction Home).  I have no information on whether or not Dylan was dissatisfied with their playing (although he didn't use any of the takes on which they played) but one author (maybe Heylin) noted that Gregg's more flexible drumming style was better suited to "Tom Thumb" than Lay's style.  But that is a lot of speculation and more detail than I think is appropriate to an article about the song (but some may be appropriate for the Highway 61 Revisited article, which is currently the Dylan project collaboration of the month).  So I will streamline the information in the "Tom Thumb" article (since the fact that there were different musicians on earlier takes, especially since one of those takes has been released on No Direction Home. Rlendog (talk) 03:09, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You're right to avoid speculation but, far from streamlining that paragraph, I think all of the info you've just typed in your reply about exactly which takes the musician were on and the part about Gregg and Griffin not being available are all well worth including. Plus, if it is indeed Heylin that noted that Gregg's drumming was better suited to "Tom Thumb's Blues" then I think that's worth adding too, as long as it is clearly attributed as Heylin's opinion and not just ours. I would suggest that parts of what you've written in your above reply can be transplanted into that parargraph with minimal tinkering, as long as you can source refs for it of course. --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 03:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I can add some of that. I think some of what I wrote actually came from the Irwin book, which I can't seem to find right now, but the part about Gregg's drumming (and actually Griffin's piano playing) being more suited to the song comes from Heylin, but a bit indirectly, since I just reread that passage and Heylin is really only comparing the drumming and piano playing on the No Direction Home take with that on the Highway 61 take. Rlendog (talk) 03:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

List of Costa Rican monkey species
Just saw you got the Geoffroy's Tamarin to GA status (congrats!), I've just changed its section order to bring it in line with WikiProject Primates/Article format. Might be worth trying to get List of Costa Rican monkey species promoted to good topic again, I've changed their section order as well for consistency. Cheers, Jack (talk) 21:22, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. At some point, I would like to renominate Costa Rican monkey species for GT, but I think the problem was that List of Costa Rican monkey species is too short to qualify for a featured list, and I don't have access to enough information to create a GA for Costa Rican monkeys or the like.  The one suggestion I got that may work is to get List of Central American monkey species to FL, and use that as the main article for the topic.  Which I may get around to doing at some point.  Then I may want to just make a GT for Central American monkey species, which Geoffroy's Tamarin would be part of, but I would probably also need to get Guatemalan Black Howler and Panamanian Night Monkey to GA as well; the former may be possible, but I am not sure enough information exists about the latter to get that to GA. Rlendog (talk) 02:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Slow loris collaboration
Hey Rlendog, so you are doing "diet" and "Social Systems"? I'm doing "cultural references", but I'd also be interested in doing "Predator avoidance". Are you doing that, or is it free? The Arbiter  ★★★  23:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Go for it. I haven't worked on a mammal collaboration in a long time, so I am not sure how it works.  But I don't want to bite off too much. Rlendog (talk) 04:02, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The Arbiter  ★★★  23:38, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I Don't Want You to Go (Lani Hall song) (2nd nomination)
The article just says "X recorded the song on album Y" six times. Tell me how that's "reasonably detailed". Also, tell me how any article can get away with blatantly ignoring WP:GNG. Oh wait, THEY FREAKING CAN'T. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 04:21, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I replied on the deletion nomination page. Rlendog (talk) 19:56, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

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Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues
Hi Rlendog, just to let you know that I've reviewed "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" for GA and placed on hold. My (minor) concerns can be found on the GA review page Cavie78 (talk) 14:26, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem Rlendog! I hoped you wouldn't mind if I took the initiative and edit as per the GA comments...although I also had help from a user called Sayantan m. Anyway, congratulations on yet another Dylan GA and Happy New Year to you too! --Kohoutek1138 (talk) 03:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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"Like a Rolling Stone" is a 1965 song by American singer-songwriter Bob Dylan. Its confrontational lyrics originate in an extended piece of verse Dylan wrote in June 1965, when he returned exhausted from a grueling tour of England. During a difficult two days pre-production, Dylan struggled to find the essence of the song, which was demoed without success as a waltz. A breakthrough was made when it was tried in a rock music format, and rookie session musician Al Kooper improvised the organ riff for which the track is known. However, Columbia Records was unhappy with both the song's length at over six minutes and its heavy electric sound, and were hesitant to release it. It was only when a month later a copy was leaked to a new popular music club and heard by influential DJs that the song was put out as a single. Although radio stations were reluctant to play such a long track, "Like a Rolling Stone" reached number two in the US charts and became a worldwide hit. The track has been described as revolutionary in its combination of different musical elements, the youthful, cynical sound of Dylan's voice, and the directness of the question in the chorus: "How does it feel?". "Like a Rolling Stone" transformed Dylan's career and is today considered one of the most influential compositions in post-war popular music and has since its release been both a music industry and popular culture milestone which elevated Dylan's image to iconic. The song has been covered by numerous artists, including Jimi Hendrix, The Rolling Stones, The Wailers and Green Day. (more...)

Your opinion on a DYK
Since you do a lot of DYK stuff, or have traditionally, I was wondering if you could help me out. The DYK candidate (Griftopia) I chose to review upon the submission of my article has had some NPOV issues, and though it has been dramatically improved, I still have my doubts. The "Content" section is clearly stated from the point of view of the book's author, but looking at stand-alone sentences, sentences look to be unreferenced and non-neutral. Would you mind giving you $0.02? –  VisionHolder « talk » 21:54, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I addressed some of the NPOV issues. Of course, the author's POV is not exactly neutral, but I think it is ok for the article to reflect that, as long as it is clear that it is stating the author's views.  At this point I think the article pretty much does that (though I may have missed a few), although I think there should be more citations in the content section.  I think the DYK rules (possibly unofficial) suggest at least one in line citation per paragraphs, and many paragraphs in this section has none.  There is an exception for plot summaries, but I am not sure that exception is operational for a non-fiction work. Rlendog (talk) 01:17, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I passed it, but noted the lingering concern. –  VisionHolder  « talk » 02:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Drifter's Escape
Thanks from me and the wiki users Victuallers (talk) 15:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Placenames poll
You broke it. :-) Can you check and see if we fixed it correctly? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:43, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks correct. I am not sure what I did that messed it up, but thanks for fixing it. Rlendog (talk) 19:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome -- looks to me like you were browsing an earlier revision and hit edit, not realizing you weren't on the current version. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Animals/Draft capitalization guidelines
User:ZooPro has suggested that I request your feedback and/or modifications to this proposal. If you think that it has worth, I would like to post an RfC, notify relevant groups, then announce it at WikiProject Manual of Style. If this is unlikely to be helpful or achieve anything, please be frank. I won't be offended.

Quick links:
 * Original discussion
 * Naming conventions (fauna)
 * PROPOSAL
 * Discussion between ZooPro and Anna Frodesiak at Anna's talk
 * Discussion between ZooPro and Anna Frodesiak at ZooPro's talk

This message has been sent to:
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 * 2) User:Donlammers
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 * 7) User:Rlendog
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 * 10) User:Visionholder
 * 11) User:ZooPro

Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

List of songs by Taylor Swift
Hello, I created the page List of songs by Taylor Swift without aware/known that the page List of Taylor Swift songs previously nominated for deletion.

The page created by mine has new layout and I really hope that it will be kept, as I will make further improvement to it. Have your say here, thank you. I will notice other users joined above AfD, too. Silvergoat (talk∙contrib) 08:39, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Platypus
Hey, your opinion is requested at the talk page of the platypus article, to finally put this stupid capitalisation debate to rest. Cheers! Aaadddaaammm (talk) 11:14, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

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H61R
Hi Riendog. How's life? Mick gold and I want to nominate Highway 61 Revisited for GA. You were involved in the collaboration so would you like to be a co-nominator? Let me know if you don't. There's a brief discussion about it on the article's Talk page if you want to check it out. BTW, while I have your attention, there is also a matter I have brought up on the LARS talk page about a non-free photo that someone has added that maybe should be deleted. If you have time please check that discussion, too, Thanks! Moisejp (talk) 15:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to co-nominate. I'm just sorry I didn't have as much time as I hoped to participate more in the development. Rlendog (talk) 16:33, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Holtsmark distribution
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Your GA nomination of Highway 61 Revisited
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DYK for Geometric stable distribution
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Talk:List of YouTube personalities
Hi Rlendog. Because you participated in Articles for deletion/List of YouTube celebrities (4th nomination), your input is sought at Talk:List of YouTube personalities. There are disputes over who should be and who shouldn't be included in the list. Cunard (talk) 23:11, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Your input
I don't know if you've seen it, but we would value your feedback about the "title case" vs. "sentence case" debate at WP:PRIMATES. Regardless of which way you lean, it's important that you hear the opinion of all major contributors to the project. Hope you're doing well. –  VisionHolder « talk » 02:02, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm doing well.  Thanks for the note.  I actually did notice the discussion, but realized that I do not have a strong opinion one way or the other.  I was converted to title case a few years ago, and have come to like it, but I don't think it would be a big deal to go back to the other way. Rlendog (talk) 02:40, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I completely understand. Personally, I have mixed feelings.  Title case definitely has its uses and justifications, but at the same time, I favor conformity with WP:Mammals, and I'm tired of researchers always pointing it out to me as an oddity.  Even if you're a fence-sitter on this one, I would appreciate it if you would say so at the discussion.  All feedback is important, even if its indecisive.  –  VisionHolder  « talk » 03:32, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for To Be Alone with You
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Hey there, I noticed that you had participated on the MetLife article talk page last year and I was wondering if you could take a look at my proposed edits (which are described here on the article's talk page). If this is something you are still interested in, I'd love to get your feedback. Thanks. --Hamilton83 (talk) 20:04, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I like it. I think there are other important items that could be added as well - Stuyvesant Town—Peter Cooper Village, acquisition of New England Life, the hiring of CEOs other than Robert Henrickson (who won't be the current CEO for long), but those could be added later. Rlendog (talk) 00:19, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, Thanks for taking the time to look at my proposed edits, I really appreciate it. I like your idea of adding in some information regarding MetLife's involvement with the the Stuyvesant Town - Peter Cooper village as well as the acquisition of New England Life and will look to add this at a later date. As for now, I have added the information regarding Steven Kandarian's appointment to CEO to my edited section...would you be opposed to me putting up my proposed version?--Hamilton83 (talk) 19:50, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I would not have a problem with that. Rlendog (talk) 21:32, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and made the edits to the History section. I’ve also taken a stab at rewriting the rest of the article by expanding the Products section and adding in coverage of MetLife’s international presence, charitable activities, sports sponsorship, relationship with Snoopy and recent awards. Though I think it significantly improves on the bulleted list currently in the article, it could use a fresh set of eyes, particularly the Products section. You’re more than welcome to edit my user space draft or provide feedback right here, whatever seems more logical to you. Thanks,--Hamilton83 (talk) 20:10, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Just dropping by to see if you have had a chance to check out my suggested revisions to the second half of the MetLife article. If you haven't or don't have the time, do you happen to know anyone else that might be interested in the article? Thanks again.--Hamilton83 (talk) 20:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't check the references, but it looks fine to me. You don't need my permission to update the article - I have dealings with MetLife myself and so may have COI issues too, but the article seems factual and balanced.  I did add one link - I then saw you had it further down, but it should also be in the first instance where AIG is mentioned.  You may want to look up Stuyvesant Town, which was a significant aspect of MetLife's history, but that and other information can be added later. Rlendog (talk) 20:02, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. I've gone ahead with the udpates and I appreciate your help on the article. I will look into adding some information on Stuyvesant Town when I have some time in the near future.--Hamilton83 (talk) 18:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Slow loris GAN -- diet questions
Since you wrote the "Diet" subsection (right?), I was wondering if you could help with the Slow loris GAN. There are some questions there that I can't answer because I don't have access to the sources, particularly "The Pictorial Guide to Living Primates." Do you mind taking a look? –  VisionHolder « talk » 00:06, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I addressed the 1st 3 diet comments. Unfortunately, I do not seem to have access to the paper discussing the short duodenum. Rlendog (talk) 00:37, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I have access to the Nekaris paper, which mentions the duodenum, but does not explain any of the functions. I guess I can see if Ucucha can send me the other paper.  Thanks for jumping in so quickly.  –  VisionHolder  « talk » 00:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Blonde on Blonde songs
Hi, Rlendog! Thanks for volunteering to pitch in. The songs are up for grabs, and we'll only know what nobody wants until there's only a few left. So just pick one that either fits the sources you have or appeals to you in some way. Personally, I randomly picked "One of Us Must Know" to avoid the la creme la creme, and it turned out its story is rich in detail (which I'll save for expanding its main article). Hope you have as much fun. Allreet (talk) 00:50, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:Hylobatidae nav
Hello. I see you've been doing all that work on sentence case for primates. I'm willing to do the work on Hylobatidae nav and others as I find them. Before I do so, do you consider the first word of each species in the box should be displayed in upper or lower case? Regards, --Stfg (talk) 19:58, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the first letter of the first word should still be capitalized, just like in the article titles. Rlendog (talk) 18:29, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've done that. --Stfg (talk) 21:01, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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Hello. Would you have time, please, to take a look at Talk:Bornean_orangutan and give an opinion on the question I raised in the second paragraph there? The situation seems strange to me. Thanks. ---Stfg (talk) 10:36, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I reworded the sentence that I think was problematic to reflect my understanding of the paper. I hope that helps. Rlendog (talk) 14:00, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I thought they were saying. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 19:35, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Tibetan macaque
Hi, just wanted to let you know that there's a thread at WP:ANI about your move of Thibetan macaque to Tibetan macaque. Each of those links is now a redirect to the other, and the content of the article appears to be lost. --NellieBly (talk) 21:00, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Somehow the actual article got deleted - I've found it and restored it now -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:08, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sorting this out. Rlendog (talk) 02:33, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I owe you an apology for referring it to ANI. I've just noticed you're an admin, but hadn't realised this at the time, otherwise I'd have referred it directly to you. Sorry. --Stfg (talk) 15:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I thought that deserved a response. After all, I was the one who spent two hours of his life trying to sort out the problem you created. I withdraw it. --Stfg (talk) 15:36, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I offended you. It looked from the message above that Boing! said Zebedee was the one who fixed this and I thanked him above.  I never took issue with you bringing this to ANI - it needed to be resolved quickly and your action got that done (I was in transit at the time in any case so would not have been able to fix it immediately).  As you obviously put a lot of work into fixing the issue, I thank you as well. Rlendog (talk) 16:44, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for this. Yes, it was Boing! said Zebedee who finally fixed it. I spent some time trying to do so without the benefit of admin tools/privileges and, when that was obviously impossible, finding out how to seek admin help - which is a lot harder than it really ought to be for those of us seeking admin help for the first time. Thanks again --Stfg (talk) 19:36, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Christian Thomas (ice hockey)
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DYK for Dave Liddell
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Gate of Eden changes
Hi, Rlendog! In checking a recent revision to "Gates of Eden" from my watchlist, I fixed the construction of the lead sentence. That led to more work on the first para. I expected the same from the rest of the article, then found the writing and sourcing throughout were outstanding. I later checked the edit history and learned you were the culprit. Superb work! Back to the editing, I added section headers and along the way made some minor changes/additions, checking to make sure I stayed true to the sources. Unfortunately, the specific changes were lost in the edit history because of what happens in adding headers and breaking paras. If there's anything you notice that you feel was better written or more accurate originally—or if you'd prefer other headers—please change as needed. Also, I think the lede could use a little more, among other possibilities, a mention of the song's length relative to others on the album or for that matter, any song up until that time. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 03:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks good to me. There probably is more that could be added.  I wonder now if we could get this article up to GA, even though it is on the short side.  If we do, and then get BIABH up to GA, I wonder if Side 2 of BIABH could become a good topic.  An album side, rather than a whole album, as a good topic is a bit unusual, but in this case, I suspect that each side of the album has received specific coverage for each side's unique and important properties. Rlendog (talk) 16:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

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Hi Rlendog. Your comment at the MoS RfC was "If a preponderance of reliable sources use a hyphen, then it is appropriate to use a hyphen in the Wikipedia article". I'm wondering why you put it in Oppose, when the proposal is to formalise an orderly procedure for doing just this. Did I misunderstand your comment? Tony  (talk)  11:29, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this is an improvement. But my problem is that going to sources is the exception, not the rule.  I think that would get back to where we are with Mexican~American War, where no amount of sources will ever be deemed enough to be a "strong majority" per the proposed guidance. I suppose this addresses the issue where someone in one of the discussions on the issues suggested that an exception can be made only if no reliable sources use the en-dash, but I am not convinced the proposal goes far enough. Rlendog (talk) 14:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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Close of Lake Wind Advisory deletion discussion
Hi Rlendog, this is just to let you know that you had forgotten to put a close tag on Articles for deletion/Log/2011 May 7. I have taken care of it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Rlendog (talk) 14:36, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

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this deletion is in FLAGRANT violation of consensus, which does not work on the whims of admin decisions but consensus. (2 deleters also retracted) Please restore page till there is consensus for the move.(Lihaas (talk) 21:46, 8 June 2011 (UTC)).
 * The article was kept at AfD, but since moved to Devonwall (possible UK Parliament constituency) by User:Smalljim. I would suggest asking Smalljim why s/he did not leave a redirect to the new title. Personally, I would have no objection to creating such a redirect but I am not sure whether there was a particular reason for not leaving one. Rlendog (talk) 15:30, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

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Primates are a mammalian order which includes modern humans. Most non-human primates live in tropical or subtropical regions of the Americas, Africa, and Asia. Primates range in size from the Madame Berthe's mouse lemur, which weighs only 30 g to the mountain gorilla weighing 200 kg. According to fossil evidence, the primitive ancestors of primates may have existed in the late Cretaceous period around 65 million years ago, and the oldest known primate is the Late Paleocene Plesiadapis, c. 55–58 million years ago. Primates are characterized by their large brains, and increased reliance on stereoscopic vision at the expense of smell. These features are most marked in monkeys and apes, and noticeably less so in lorises and lemurs. Three-color vision has developed in some primates. Most also have opposable thumbs and some have prehensile tails. (more...)

DYK for Rick St. Croix
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whale oil, sperm oil
There is quite a confused definition or 2 about what constitutes whale oil vs. sperm oil. My understanding is that (1) sperm oil is from the head, but maybe it is from the blubber. There is also the common (2) whale oil... which should be able to originate from other whales. Why would sperm oil be synonymous with whale oil is beyond me. And then there seems to be another thing called (3) spermacetti oil. I know that (3) can only come from one place... the head cavity of the sperm whale.

Anyway, please compare what is written at whale oil with sperm whale and check history and see that there seems to be a bit of a lack of correct or consistent nomenclature. I tried a fixup, but undoubtedly it needs some help. Thanks, I like to saw logs! (talk) 02:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I am not sure what the correct answer is. When this was up for GAN there was some discussion about differentiating whale oil, sperm oil spermaceti oil and junk, which sometimes seemed to get confused even within the reliable sources.  We interpreted the sources as well as we could at the time - possibly didn't get it technically right, but did get it aligned with the most reliable sources.  If that has been broken now it probably needs some significant time to review, since the sources are such a mess.  But if you have access to some, use what is there and cite the sources, and hopefully it will stick this time.  But until the sources all agree, it probably won't be perfect.  17:29, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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