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Speedy deletion nomination of Glasgow Life


A tag has been placed on Glasgow Life, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Response to deletion
Have posted a response to nominator and actioner of the speedy deletion. Requesting at least the markup restored somewhere, but strongly object to basis of deletion. Alas because it was deleted, well, speedily, there's no buttons to press any more. Rleyton (talk) 10:18, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Justifiction for article
So Notability (organizations and companies) sets out the determinations for a separate article for an organisation.

Primary criteria
" notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.":

A quick(ish) research run into significant mentions of Glasgow Life:


 * 12th August, 2019 BBC News [|article] "Glasgow venues enjoy record visitor numbers", Nearly 19 million visits were made to venues run by Glasgow Life in 2018, new figures have revealed
 * 13th July 2016, Glasgow Herald [|article] quotes MCR Pathways: Glasgow Life is the latest of the city’s biggest and influential organisations to make a long term commitment to a partnership
 * 16 December 2016, BBC News [|Council funded body Glasgow Life to cut 300 jobs]
 * 24 April, 2019 Evening Times, [|"Glasgow Life policy decisions"]
 * 6 July, 2016 Glasgow Herald |"Glasgow Life slated over the sacking of five managers amid allegations of a Commonwealth Games overtime scam".
 * 3 April, 2018 Scottish Government, [|"Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games legacy: summary findings April 2018"]
 * 2018, Academic paper |That's all very well in practice, but what about the theory? The case of Glasgow Life, Scotland (Strathclyde University Strathprints), by Mark O'Neill and Robert Rogerson (2018)
 * Above features in "Managing Organisational Success in the Arts", Stevenson, David (ed) |preview, quote "...the formation of Glasgow Life represented one of the most high profile transfers of functions from a council to a charitable trust in the UK. The inclusion of libraries was unprecedented...". In the conclusion "...we believe that there are elements of its approach and practices that may be relevant for a wide range of cultural organisations and insights into how such organisations' adoption and evolution can be understood."

Additionally there are statutory bodies (Glasgow City Council, OSCR, Scottish Parliament not least) which make numerous references to the organisation.


 * They amount to significant coverage.
 * In multiple (7) sources
 * Of which are 5 are entirely independent (Glasgow Herald and Evening Times are sister publications).
 * Whilst Glasgow City Council owns Glasgow Life, it is a statutory body which makes the relationship relevant and important.
 * They may all be considered reliable
 * Some (BBC News, Glasgow Herald, Evening Times) are secondary, but Scottish Government and Glasgow City Council are primary, as are filings for the organisation at Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator.

Non-commerical organisations

 * National or International in Scale: Glasgow Life is the largest organisation of its type in Scotland, and one of the largest of its kind in the UK. It (or at least, its venues/facilities/staff) regularly organises international scale events, including Commonwealth Games, UCI Track Cycling World Championships, and other large sports events. Also 'unprecedented' inclusion of libraries in its remit (O'Neill, Rogerson quotes).
 * significant coverage in multiple...sources - See above, ie. statutory bodies, press, academic sources, court cases regularly make reference to Glasgow Life.

Rleyton (talk) 11:21, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Disagreement with deletion criteria/process
Per Deletion review and Criteria for speedy deletion, was cited as G11: ''This applies to pages that are exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to conform with NOTFORPROMOTION. If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion. Note: Any article that describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion. However, "promotion" does not necessarily mean commercial promotion: anything can be promoted, including a person, a non-commercial organization, a point of view, etc.''

It's hard to give precise examples without access to my original draft. I refute entirely that it was in any way Unambiguous advertising or exclusively promotional. If anything, it was perhaps a bit critical. I have no relationship to the organisation (other than being a resident in the city, and - necessarily - a user of their services; I don't expect this to exclude, but would have been happy to note it). I have no desire to see it advertised. Rather, was seeking to open up information and I feel is a bit too opaque, and in need of wider access.

Ultimately I feel Wikipedia is overdue an article for this organisation so readers/residents can understood it, its operation and relationships, as well as its achievements and challenges. All content I'd argue is well suited for an encyclopaedia, particularly one that has national and international reach and impact. I've identified above a number of supportive, independent, sources that give separate but mutually supportive reasons to justify the article.

There may well have been content/phrasing in the article that were in need of attention. I had endeavoured to write it neutrally, and properly cite everything, and planned to expand it over time: it's a big subject/organisation with a lot of information opaquely available/distributed. I had expected some constructive feedback, and hoped too wider availability in main site would hopefully have encouraged others to contribute.

That this was through a very quick deletion process, with no ready opportunity to contest the decision, has undoubtedly left me feeling a little raw. I entirely recognise there's a need for this sort of process in the face of spam, abuse, defacement on the site. However, I'd expect too there to be a consideration or weighting of good intent, not least that Wikipedia users who (I'd thought) clearly not (14+ year account; various minor edits) a short-term user, but was making an honest attempt to add an overlooked but important organisation, should be given a little better scope/ability to respond.

Rleyton (talk) 13:16, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Scottish Athletics and me
Just for disclosure, I've popped some notes on my user page about my relationship, such that it is, with Scottish Athletics. I'm Chair, on the board, of a running club. That running club is affiliated to Scottish Athletics, which means it has (via a delegate) AGM voting privileges on behalf of the clubs members. I'm also a personal member of Scottish Athletics too (this carries no voting privileges): It's pretty much required in order that I may take part in local cross country and road running events.

I don't think this amounts to any conflict of interest, but wanted to set it out just in case. I have tagged this on the talk page.

The page was very out of date, and nobody seemingly taking on ownership, but would welcome anybody else having a spin at this, or keeping an eye on the edits.

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Your draft article, Draft:Glasgow Life


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Restoration of Draft:Glasgow Life
Resumed process to bring a page together on Glasgow Life as it is a current topic and a reference article would help support local discourse. It needs updating and revisions to address some of the previous comments made. Rleyton (talk) 13:07, 22 April 2021 (UTC)


 * And lack of time, other things going on meant my previous effort stumbled. Have lodged a request to restore the previous draft, and will bring up to date with all the various goings on before posting. Rleyton (talk) 14:32, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft:Glasgow Life restored quite quickly, so basic set of updates applied. Comments welcome Rleyton (talk) 16:36, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

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Scottish athletics
hello, I notice that you have previously edited some Wikipedia pages on athletics in Scotland and from your talk page I see that you are a member of a Glasgow athletics club, which would suggest an interest in this area. I wonder if you would consider contributing informally to improving the coverage of Scottish athletics on Wikipedia. I have so far added a history section to the page on Scottish Athletics, I have created a page for Scottish Athletics Championships, I have started adding the annual championships. I also did some work on venues for those championships, particularly the football grounds and greyhound stadiums that failed to mention any athletics at all, so I have done some work on the Powderhall Grounds in Edinburgh, Hampden Park Glasgow, and Carolina Port Dundee. if there is something here that takes your fancy, either working on venues, or updating the championship results, or doing biographies of athletes or something, please feel free to jump in and have a go. just adding categories to venue articles to show that they were track and field venues can be useful. If you need any help finding sources or with anything else please feel free to ask.  Cottonshirt  τ   14:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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