User talk:Rlm2802

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Proposed deletion of Country Party (Australia)


The article Country Party (Australia) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Not registered, never contested election, no serious coverage

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Frickeg (talk) 01:17, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

The proposal for deletion lacks merit as follows:

a) Political parties are almost universally created prior to contesting an election, so the "never contested election" criticism is invalid. The Country Party of Australia is preparing to contest elections and as such accurate information about the Country Party of Australia will be relevant to electors.  Recent precedent shows Wikipedia articles related to Australian political parties ahead of them contesting elections.  Unbiased information related to political parties is of obvious importance to people who vote.  Deleting this forum interferes with that crucial process of generating and presenting unbiased information.

b) The claim of no serious coverage is erroneous. The issue of The Land (one of Australia's premier rural publications) on the 15th January 2015 provided serious coverage by putting the Country Party on its front page. The land has provided additional coverage by writing several articles.  One Land article on the Country Party of Australia was shared 1,300 times on Facebook within a few days indicating general public interest, very few news items related to Australian politics receive that much attention.   The Country Party of Australia has also been covered on the ABC and in other rural publications.   The Wikipedia article in question cites coverage which invalidates the justification given for the request for deletion prior to the request being made.

Rlm2802 (talk) 02:19, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Palmer United Party registered with AEC on 5th July. http://www.aec.gov.au/parties_and_representatives/party_registration/registered_parties/palmer-united.htm Wikipedia article commenced months earlier: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palmer_United_Party&diff=554731067&oldid=554716491 At this stage PUP has never contested an election. Rlm2802 (talk) 02:46, 16 January 2015 (UTC)


 * As you will see below, I have formally nominated the article for deletion. Please state your case in the discussion there and others will respond. In general, we have tried to use registration as the bar for notability for political parties. In some cases such as Palmer United, this has been waived - PUP got major, nationwide coverage for months before it was registered, and also had two Queensland state MPs within its ranks very quickly. Should the new Country Party (which is, I should add, extraordinarily unlikely to achieve registration under its current name) receive that kind of coverage, or get some defectors in its ranks, then we might make an exception for it too. In the meantime, this is simply a case of WP:TOOSOON. I know from a long time covering politics here that very many of these kinds of parties fade away quickly without ever doing anything much; I'm not saying that will happen here, but given this party is less than a month old I think it's too soon to be including it. The Land issue is useful, and in addition to the ABC does combine to make a claim of serious coverage, one I am not inclined to accept but others might be.


 * I hope you are not unduly discouraged by this, and encourage you to state your case in the AfD discussion linked to below. Frickeg (talk) 03:20, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Country Party (Australia) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Country Party (Australia) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Country Party (Australia) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Frickeg (talk) 03:12, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

http://www.farmonline.com.au/news/agriculture/general/politics/barnabys-ready-for-country-comp/2720978.aspx http://www.queenslandcountrylife.com.au/news/agriculture/general/politics/cpa-eyes-federal-election/2721134.aspx Rlm2802 (talk) 05:18, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Country Party of Australia (founded 2014) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Country Party of Australia (founded 2014) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Country Party of Australia (founded 2014) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Frickeg (talk) 23:44, 22 March 2015 (UTC)