User talk:Rm w a vu/Archives/2007/August

DVD region map
I'm in agreement with you that the map is a geographical depiction, but it bears very little resemblance to the text of the article. Keeping it there is only going to confuse the matter. Belarus is listed as being region 2 in the text, but coloured for region 5 on the map. The same is true of the three Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), Ukraine, Moldova and Russia. That's just the list of what I can see easily on my monitor. In the absence of the skills to rectify the map, I'd suggest that removing it from the article is the best option for now. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:13, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If you tell me which countries need to be changed and from which region to which, I'll update it, but it's definitely necessary to have it, as it gives one a graphical view to see which regions are which, geographically. -- linca linca  09:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The ones I've listed are the most glaring ones, and in fact there are comments on the Talk pages of both the article and the map saying that they're problematic for various reasons. I'll double-check the others and let you know if there are any other anomalies, but changing those ones around would be the first step at least. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 10:17, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose it'd be appropriate to add a "mixed" colour, since some areas use a blend, particularly many asian countries, such as Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan and others in the South East Asia area. Anyway, I'll get to it. -- linca linca  12:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Editor review/lincalinca
I reviewed you. Shalom Hello 03:18, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Your userpage
Nice work! I've been awaiting your redesign for a while now, but nothing could prepare me for the very lame (and possible copyvio); Lincapedia :P Happy editing :)  Giggy  Talk 22:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And yes, I also reviewed you: Editor review/lincalinca Giggy  Talk 22:35, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate! I didn't think we should review one another, since we're closely tied in with similar projects, but since you've reviewed me, I'll do the same! -- linca linca  04:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * *sigh* - You can keep it there, but if anyone asks...er...oh what the heck, I'll just pretend to respect you :P Giggy  Talk 22:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and I'll be waiting for the review :P Giggy  Talk 22:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Crowded_House_logo.jpg
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jars of clay
hi there! i just edited it because i thought it looked unsightly. i hope someone does make some pages (i could try at some point, i guess...) but yeah. i just thought it looked horrid and didn't understand why there was a clarification on it. hmmm. oh well. no harm done. (just kinda wish i hadn't done it! lol). Bouncehoper 03:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

hi there again! i did the first set, from the first album. i'll get to the others by and by... :) Bouncehoper 18:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

WOW!!! thanks for the barnstar! it's my first!!!! :-D Bouncehoper 16:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Bernard Fanning ARIA Awards 2006.jpg listed for deletion
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Dan Haseltine's wiki page
I admire your work on Stephen Mason's, so, are we doing Dan's? I think his is even more important since he is the lead singer of Jars of Clay. Anything I can help, I'll be glad! :) --FCA 04:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Really, I did Steve's page because I know more about him than Dan. I know in the global picture, Dan's more important, but I can't seem to find any info on him, strangely. No DOB or anything. That's why I started with Steve, because (on top of meeting him at Hillsong a few years back) I know more about him than the others, plus almost all of the interviews I could source seem to have been about him, probably because he's the integral music writer of the group, much as Haseltine is the lyricist. That said, I'd be glad to work on the article with you, though. I'd like to see all four of the members have at least a B-Class article written for them, as I believe they're notable enough for it. -- linca linca  06:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * cool and agree with the B-Class thing. I'm doing some researching about Dan and try to organaize my ideas. I met Jars on October 2005 and been working close with Blood:Water since then. I'll see what I can come up with. For now, I added to his wiki something very important (under biography section, cause it would be silly making a new section just for this, maybe later like, for example, personal work section) and recent, that is, his new children's book called Magnificient Me. Talk ya later and thanks. peace--FCA 23:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Great! I forgot about the kids book, so that's definitely something mroe appropriate for his page than for the JoC page. Another thing, though trivial, would be to mention his writings, such as in the City on a Hill companion book that was released in the christmas after the first CoaH album was released. I bought it for a friend, so I only know he wrote in it, but didn't actually read what it was about (according to my friend, most people wrote very candid, normal stories, while his was alike or akin to Jars' music and very ambiguous, while pensive). Anyway, I don't know much about the content of his writings, but I know that exists and I believe there's more that he's written. The same applies to Matt Odmark, apparently, being the English university major that he is. -- linca linca  01:46, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Interesting thing...I'm doing some more research on Dan and his life (From the GM era there are lot of that kind of interviews) and I'll try to find more personal work, I know that he wrote and sing along with some artists (not Jars) in a CD too (can't remember the name though). Also, worth to notice there is that he is the founder of Blood:Water, the other jars followed him with the idea some month later. I also addded an image for his wiki and I'm trying to add one for each band member, but copyrights are giving me issues. A jark (member of jarchvies' forum) told me she made a correction to Charlie's wiki, saying that he didn't marry Sonja until after MA was released. In fact, if you look at the liner notes for MA, she's referred to as Sonja Griffith, so that is ok. she's also working in getting images for the other wikis, cause she took them, so maybe she'll throw them to GNU license or public domain...Thanks again!--FCA 23:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, thank you! It's good to have some people supporting improving JOC on Wikipedia (it seems to have really picked up speed in the last couple of weeks, particularly in that all of the singles now have articles). -- linca linca  03:43, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Gosh...I didn't notice that...now, that is progress! I think JOC's wiki is growing up a lot these days, the user Invisible hurricane (who doesn't have a user page?!) has start most of them, I'm glad people like Jars this much. Love is to act. :) I see this article been a featured one in a near future if we continue this work, now let's improve this stuff! and I have to insist, thanks for the motivation! --FCA 05:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Crowded House
Hey Lincalinca, I noticed what you'd written to Giggy about casting his eye over the above. Well, my first instinct would be to say you need a heap more references. A lot of the paragraphs don't contain a single citation and unreferenced articles don't tend to do too well at WP:GAC.... The Rambling Man 13:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rambling Man. I intend to dedicate some time to fixing the refs there. Everything in the whole article is actually referenced in the footnotes, I just need to connect the dots (plus, I've asked for Slabba, who worked on Powderfinger with us, to help since s/he was paradigm in improving things in that area). Thanks for the input, though! It's much appreciated. Any other input you may have? -- linca linca  13:43, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * A good clear fair use rationale for the band name logo is needed, use en-dash for date ranges, so (1984-1986) would read (1984–86), ensure citations are placed on the right hand side of punctuation where possible, e.g. ref [2] needs to go the other side of the comma, ensure you have a good solid fair use rationale for all the album covers - I'd be surprised if you can to be honest, normally you can use the image on the article of the album itself, but you'd need to be clever to get a rationale to use them on the band page as well. Just a few thoughts, hope they help.  The Rambling Man 14:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm certain they're going to help! I'm aware about the need to rationalise the use of so many images, but the explanation is that unlike most artists, every album cover has a common thread and it's the reason I've placed them all into the page there. I suppose I could elaborate more on why I've put them all together (maybe just with a generic explanation template). As to the refs, I'm aware of their positioning. I must have just missed where people had placed them in other ways. As I said, Slabba's the kind of refs, so if he takes me up on the request (hopefully he will) he should be able to assist in that area. As to the en dashes, I'll update them now. Thanks again! -- linca  linca  14:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * To be fair, as long as you can come up with a decent rationale similar to what you've said above, i.e. the theme that runs through them, and you tag each image with the same rationale for its use in Crowded House then you'll be okay I reckon. The fair use thing is a kind of black art as far as I can tell, it strikes me that most people just copy one that already exists, which might suit your purposes here!  The Rambling Man 14:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey Linca, I'll gladly help out with formatting the refs, but I may not get a chance any time soon. I'm a bit busy at the moment with some other stuff, but when I get some spare time I'll give it a crack.  Also cheers for the 'king' comment :-) Slabba 23:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks man! No rush, but when you have a few free moments, it'd be great if you could see if you can reference it, even if it's piece by piece. As a plan of attack, if you fact tag everything you see that needs references, I'll provide the references and then once I've done that, if you could then format the refs for consistency, that'd be great! Does that sound feasible? -- linca linca  23:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If it helps, I'll happily reformat any references you wish to add, if Slabba isn't going to be around. The Rambling Man 07:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks TRM! I might just take you up on that! If you wouldn't mind, there's about 15 in there at the moment, so not that many. Would you mind whizzing through them, if you have the time? Thanks mate! -- linca linca  09:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've cited all the web/book links, you've got one dead one in there which I've commented out (sorry, can't remember which one but it's in there somewhere!). I'll look at the best way of citing the others shortly.  The Rambling Man 18:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Time on Earth
Hi, I read your description of the album cover art for Crowded House's Time on Earth, and I just thought you might find it interesting that the blue serpent and the figure on the cover bear a striking resemblance to the topmost image used in the Wikipedia article about sea serpents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_serpent —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.16.88 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 15 August 2007
 * Thanks for the heads up there. You're right, it does more appear as a sea serpent. The article I sourced that info on used the term blue dragon, but it certainly also bears resemblance to your suggestions. I'll make an adjustment in kind. Thanks again. linca  linca  06:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Crowded House GA nomination
Hi Lincalinca, I've elevated the Crowded House article to GA status. It's a superb example of a well-researched, well presented article with perfect balance and intelligent, insightful writing. Grimhim 12:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I don't think it's ready yet. Eighteen uncited paragraphs (we've discussed this already) and some work on structure required.  Although I'm not keen to do so, if the references aren't forthcoming I'll have to send the article to WP:GA/R.  The Rambling Man 12:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm grateful, but agree with Rambling Man that it needs referencing, though hope we can hold onto the GA for, say, a week while we source the info? I'll have to move more quickly to adress the referencing issue on the page. -- linca linca  12:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll defer to you guys on this, I guess, but the review process calls only for "adequate referencing". Wikipedia's policy on citations is that "attribution is required for direct quotes and for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged." I don't see any uncited sections that fall into this category. Grimhim 12:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, I hadn't read that in a while. So for not, I guess it's safe for GA. For FA (which I hope to get it up to soon) I'll definitely tighten the bolts, though. -- linca linca  12:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but the article needs to adequately verify claims made within it, e.g. "The album's second single, "Fall At Your Feet" fared a little better, but with lost momentum for the band it only reached #75." - this claim needs to be validated - it could fall into "material ... likely to be challenged". The article has now been tagged by another editor as requiring further sources, plus I've initiated a discussion with a fellow GA reviewer to see what they think.  The Rambling Man 12:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And "Nick Seymour was temporarily "fired" from the band for a month in early 1989" seems to contain a quotation. The Rambling Man 12:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it's a lot better although I'd prefer to see page references for use of ref [1]. I think there may still be issues with the fair use of the album covers in this specific article, although as I continually maintain, I'm no expert!  But in the meantime, the content is now adequately referenced, thanks for your efforts.  The Rambling Man 11:51, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Label piping
Hey, would you mind clarifying your position on the WT:ALBUM topic. Your edit summary was "disagree.", and I'd like to know what you disagree to. --PEJL 11:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

earthsong
just to let you no I readded the part about earthsong and the history album on the brit awards page. Realist2 17:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

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Everything In Time
I'm not sure what part of WP:MOS you're looking at, so I moved Everything In Time back to Everything in Time. Naming conventions (capitalization) clearly states that conjunctions in titles should not be capitalized unless they come at the beginning or end of the title. 17Drew 05:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You're correct. Conjunctions should not. "In", however, is not a conjunction. -- linca linca  05:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Service Medal


Aww....thanks for that...I only noticed it now - scanning 20+ messages after a trip gets a bit dull. Anyway, here's something for you! {{subst:SA-mostexcellentgrognard}} Giggy  Talk 07:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Crowded House awards
Hey Linca,

I'm continuing to enjoy doing some GA reviews and recently asked a more experienced reviewer about a couple of articles I wasn't sure about. This is part of what I was told:


 * "Crowded House awards seems to be a list, so cannot become a GA. Advise the authors to submit it to Featured list candidates instead."

Thought I should let you know... regards, Johnfos 09:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

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Crowded House FAC
You might like to see these comments on the article's state diff. They were made just after the GA, but they may still apply (definitely the fair use stuff does). Giggy Talk 06:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks man. I'm trying to think of how to implement that info. I don't want to give up my cover rationales/gallery as they're completely covered by fair use, even within Wiki policy, and more than qualifies for fair use under International Copyright and Fair Use Media Practices. Anyway, thanks for that! I just hope I get more people giving suggestions as to what can be done to get this up to FA. What do you think? linca  linca  07:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about fair use - I think there's something about it only being OK on album pages. As for the Crowded House FLC - it was my pleasure.  As an honorary WikiProject member, how could I not :P  I'd like to get PF awards up there some time soon, but I'm currently working on another list AND two articles (for GA), so I'm full up at the moment :)  Speaking of which, you like Muse?  Starlight (song) is one of the articles, and it's almost there.  Giggy  Talk 10:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

#### in music
Sorry for linking the Years in music on the Operator Please article, I was just matching it to the others. andrewrox424 Bleep 05:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's alright. We've all done it at one time or another. linca  linca  05:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Cillian Murphy lead
Hello again. Thanks for all your help with the Cillian Murphy article as GA reviewer. Just wanted to ask you for a little more feedback re the lead section, which is the only thing left to address. I've been looking at the list of current FA actor/filmmaker articles via WikiProject_Actors_and_Filmmakers, and I've noticed that many have rather short leads despite long articles. So I'm a little confused as exactly what should be added to the Cillian Murphy lead section. For example, should anything about his personal life and politics hit the lead section? I think a brief mention of his early music career should, but I don't feel sure of what else should be added. I think the acting career highlights are all already there. So I would very much appreciate your making a few specific suggestions for the lead section on the talk page. Thanks! --Melty girl 07:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking something along the lines of this:

Cillian Murphy (born 25 May, 1976, Douglas, Cork, Ireland) is a film and theatre actor noted for his broad range of performances in diverse roles, as well as his distinctive blue eyes.

Initially beginning his career Murphy first appeared in a number of Irish and British film and stage productions throughout the late 1990s and early 2000s, but first came to international attention in 2003 as the hero in the post-apocalyptic film, 28 Days Later. Murphy followed this success with performances as villains in two 2005 blockbusters, first as the Scarecrow in Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins, and Jackson Rippner in Wes Craven's thriller Red Eye opposite Rachel McAdams.

In 2006, Murphy's performance as transgendered outcast "Kitten" in Breakfast on Pluto earned him his first Academy Award Nomination for Best Actor. Further praise was garnered with Murphy's turn as a 1920s Irish revolutionary in Palme d'Or winner The Wind That Shakes the Barley.

A resident of London since leaving Ireland 2001, Murphy often works in or near London[8] and has expressed that he has no desire to move to Hollywood, unlike his County Cork contemporary, Jonathan Rhys Meyers.
 * I threw that last bit in there about JRM becuase I've read a handful (at least three) newspaper articles that talk about the "Cork uprising" which all refer to the fact that in a short period of time, these guys both sort of dropped out of nowhere, but that that nowhere seemed to be Cork. Other than that, that's the kind of framework I'd be interested in seeing in there. Don't take this as a re-write, but simply as an idea to go off. I'm aware most of the actors in FA don't have extensive leads, and that puzzles me, as the FA guidelines (heck, even the GA guidelines) as well as the description of an appropriate length lead in WP:LEAD all indicate the length the lead should be in proportion to the article. linca  linca  08:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The lead section is now ✅! I think that's everything for GA; I'm breathlessly awaiting your feedback. Sorry to be champing at the bit! :) --Melty girl 17:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for all your help. It was a pleasure editing with you! --Melty girl 01:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

ArticleHistory
FYI,. Best regards, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 01:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Whoops! I forgot to fix that part. Thanks! -- linca linca  01:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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Enzso (album)
If you read through the entire article (current revision), there is absolutely no mention of the name being an acronym. Without that being clearly stated, how is anyone to know? Additionally, the group article title is Enzso (not totally capped) and there is no mention in that article that the title is an acronym. Without some indication that it's an acronym, Naming convention still stands with the non-capped version as correct. Once it's proven in the article(s) that it's an acronym, there's no reason that it (or they, as in the group name) shouldn't be moved back and listed here so that it's not included in the next go-around when there is an evaluation of the "all capped" articles herein. SkierRMH 17:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)