User talk:Rman2000

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my edits keep going away

 * This text extracted from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#my edits keep going away as it was removed.****

i have editted two intel articles on "pentium d" and "core 2" user sarenne keeps undoing the edits.

i don't understand what is going on here and need some help. what's the point of Wikipedia if some folks just undo all of the work of other users. I did enter a comment on user's sarenne talk page -- but i doubt it makes a difference.

but from what i read the problem is much bigger than i.

this user is trying to engineer social change far beyond the mear correctness of terminology...which, by the way, i totally disagree with.

so someone needs to explain this binary terminology religious ferver to me and what it has to do with Wikipedia.

Or maybe you won't have to "block" me. I will just go away and use/contribute somewhere else where it is valued.

Thanks.

Rman2000 17:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a conflict over the Manual of Style's guidelines for the binary prefixes. Rman2000, under the IP 68.115.91.4, is going against the MoS by using, for example, MB, while other users are using MiB. Veinor (talk to me) 17:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC) It has been explained to this user why his edits have been reverted and he has been directed to the correct page to take up his issue with the current policy. This is a hotly contested policy, but has withstood many challenges thus far. There have been a string of IP users recently who show up solely for the purpose of removing the correct usage of these prefixes and causing a fuss when their changes are reverted. -- mattb @ 2007-02-28T17:51Z It doesn't matter how hotly contested this issue is or what the past has held. In this case these articles are about products designed and built by Intel. The inventor/manufacturer does NOT use this terminology. So I don't think that Wikipedia consensus (and since the entire community didn't vote, the importance of this isn't clear either) is really the guiding factor in these articles. They should be true to the rightful inventor/owner terminology. It is clearly confusing to see one terminology in Wikipedia and a different one from the manufacturer: web pages, documentation, packaging etc.

This isn't just editting of a page here or there but these MiB/KiB folks are out to change the world. They are clearly monitoring Wikipedia for just sunch changes and changing them back...it's like the binary number police at work. When in this case, they are simply wrong on every front. If they want to write original articles and use obscure terminology known only to .00001% of the population, then fine. I appauld them for living in their own private world. But I live in this world and it doesn't use MiB or KiB ... anywhere else.

The forced imposition of standards is a political event and should be handled in a suitable political forum. If they want to "suggest" certain changes to authors...well why not. But they are forcing every page in Wikipedia to bare their particular nomenclature stamp when it is not the desire of the subject community. What is "correct" is not the forced change of every occurance of MB to MiB etc. They must have a BOT that checks all pages in Wikipedia for "violations" of their form of "correctness" given the speed with which my edits were removed. This is really the George Orwell "1984" nightmare incarnate.

And the slight above about IP users is just more snobbery about the topic. I didn't sign on because I didn't even think about it at the time. And I don't think others are trying to hide from the changes. Only from the overwhelming pressure of the binary zealots that are taking over Wikipedia.

Read what they said. The words on vandalism and blocking are threats pure and simple. You don't leave it the way we want it and you will be "eliminated"....almost "resistence is futile" sound about it. I don't think that I and other users respond to threats very well.

Wikipedia's value is deeply rooted in it's openness. This kind of "bully" editing runs clearly against the grain. These folks, whoever they are, don't own every technical page in Wikipedia...at least I don't think that they do (correct me if I am wrong). And I don't think it serves Wikipedia to have "policemen" of any type forcing everyone to walk on the "right" side of the street.

But I am concerned about these pages where the terminology is being corrupted in the name of "standards" and made inconsitent with the common practice of engineers, programmers, users and manufactures as represented in their own writings, web sites and packaging. Rman2000 19:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

In this case, the marketing people at the companies you mention are using the wrong prefix because they don't want to confuse the customers. Wikipedia shouldn't adhere to marketing talk, it should keep to standards and in this case MiB is the correct use of prefixes when referring to 1024 bytes. --Strangnet 19:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC) In any event... this is a content dispute, not something requiring admin action.--Isotope23 19:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC) Wonder what admins are for then? I am just a simple user and everytime I make a change the MiB police change it back. I don't have the power or time necessary to keep making the changes over and over again. If the admins are in support of "editting police" then it's a sad day for Wikipedia. If and until the "issue" is settled, I think that they should not be able to "purify" all technical articles to their own beliefs and wishes. This isn't a dialog that can happen on a single article or two. And it doesn't appear to me that they are winning on the merits of their argument either. They are winning by brute force. Multiply this behavior many times and it will be the death of Wikipedia. Sure you want it to start here?Rman2000 20:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC) Admins are janitors here, not police. What I said isn't in any way "support of editing police". The only things an admin can do that any other editor cannot is delete articles, protect pages from editing, and block editors for vandalism. Other than that that, we are all simple editors. Deletion, protection, and blocking are not warranted here so there really is nothing that requires an administrator to intervene. There are numerous mechanisms open to you at dispute resolution--Isotope23 20:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC) (edit conflict of the same thing, but I typed it so I'm posting it, dammit!) Administrators are regular editors like everyone else, but with access to a couple technical features to aid in maintaining the project (block, deletion, protection and MediaWiki). We may offer advice from experience, but a single administrator does not have the authority to rewrite the manual of style. Administrators are not the Wikipedia jack-booted police. Some users may have jack-boots, some may be police, some may be jack-booted police, but as a whole our function is not dispute resolution. That door is right around the corner.. Teke(talk) 20:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC) If it is any consolation, I like your explanation better; you worked in "jack-booted"...--Isotope23 21:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC) First of all, it isn't just the "marketing" people using a terminology. The technical programmers and engineers who invent, design, build, test and ship all (almost all) technical products don't use MiB or KiB. The computer technical community has been using MB, KB, for what, sixty years now give or take. And they are all "wrong" and you are the only one who is right? My my, it must be special to know that only you have it right and everyone else has it wrong. But it is also the "confusion" of the "customers" that should concern Wikipedia the most as Wikipedia doesn't just exist to fulfill the whims of a hand full of MiB zealots. Rman2000 20:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

For the last time. If you have an issue with this policy, take it up in the appropriate place: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Neither the administrator notice board nor revert summaries nor user talk pages are correct places to get this policy changed. I suggest you first read up on the five or so previous times this has come up, been discussed thorougly, and still maintained significant consensus to keep. Believe it or not, there are a lot of valid reasons for using IEC prefixes. Irregardless, please do not revert articles to your liking until such a time as the current MOS guideline changes. You can drop the persecution complex. Nobody has bullied you, it's you who is demanding that your opinion is more valid than that of the users who established and have maintained this particular policy. There are other users who disagree with the policy, if you have anything to add to the lengthy discussion, by all means do so in the appropriate place. -- mattb @ 2007-02-28T20:27Z

Binary prefixes
There is a vote planned to help stop binary prefixes (the kibibyte/mebibyte nonsense) being changed in articles where the sources do not use binary prefixes. Please have a look at my talk page for more information. Fnagaton 22:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)