User talk:Rms125a@hotmail.com/Archive 4

Bertha Harmer
Hi, RMS... Errr, just a few problems with the Bertha Harmer article. No problems with importance or notability, but some of the text in the middle of the article could possibly be rewritten, as it follows the Allemang reference a bit too closely. FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 01:00, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No prob.. I know the problems that exist in trying to stay close to the assertions of the source while rewriting. I have done more than my fair share in the tortured prose department. :) FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 01:09, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

(Dame?) Mitsuko Uchida
Yes, exactly the same thought occurred to me, I must admit. However, there are many ghits now for “Mitsuko Uchida made a Dame of the Order of the British Empire”, and “Congratulations, Dame Mitsuko”, etc etc. No mention anywhere of it being honorary, and I have searched. The official list of honours does not seem to be available yet, and that would be the definitive source.

However, I note that when she got her CBE in 2000, it was honorary because she was still a citizen of Japan – see. I’ve searched for any evidence she has acquired British citizenship in the meantime, but no luck. But there’s nothing to say she hasn’t, either. It’s quite possible she did but it never made the news. At this stage, given that a number of UK newspapers have made no mention of the DBE being honorary, I’d prefer to believe it’s substantive. At the end of the day, that's all we at Wikipedia can do. It's been reported in reputable sources, and in the absence of anything definitive either way about her current citizenship, we must assume it's been correctly reported. -- JackofOz (talk) 01:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to chip in - can I suggest checking out the London Gazette? It reports any official titles and awards. Ironholds (talk) 21:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, well here it is for all to see. "Miss Mitsuko Uchida CBE" is made a DBE along with the other DBEs. There's nothing about it being an honorary award. -- JackofOz (talk) 22:15, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Reply to your message
Reply to your message: Well, there's no rush on closing the AFD; you could wait to see if there will be more than one opinion or option for the article. In reply to the question about me being an admin, the answer is "perish the thought :)", but I can pass on the message to CobaltBlueTony if you want as I'll probably be around early tomorrow (UTC), but it would be nice to see if anyone else has another option for the article. Just to amplify what I already have said in the AFD, I could certainly see indications of notabilty for some of the family from what I could dig up online, and I strongly suspect that there are paper sources out there.  FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 22:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

David Gordon Allen d'Aldecamb Lumsden
No problem. I keep an eye on links to the dab page "Jesus College", which is how I found the article. You'll have realised by now that we keep the terminology complicated on this side of the pond to maintain our sense of superiority, even when using this modern-fangled technology that has been so successfully developed and sold by trans-ponders (curses!)... Regards, BencherliteTalk 00:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Helen Cattanach
A tag has been placed on Helen Cattanach requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

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If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Quantpole (talk) 23:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Helen Cattanach
Hi. Just a couple of minor things, in case they help. First, your rewrite, unfortunately, still suffered from copyright problems. The difficulty is that copyright doesn't just refer to word-for--word copies, but also covers "very close paraphrasing". For example, in the original source you have:


 * Helen S Cattanach was born in Knockando in Morayshire and attended Elgin Academy. She trained as a State Registered Nurse at Woodend Hospital in Aberdeen.

which you paraphrased as:


 * Born in Knockando, Morayshire, Scotland, she attended Elgin Academy and trained as a State Registered Nurse at Woodend Hospital in Aberdeen.

(The bolding, of course, is mine). That's still far too close. Clearly not identical, but close enough that there was no doubt where it came from. It needs to be in your own words. It's a common mistake, as we tend to think of copyright violations as direct copies, but the reality is that it needs to be significantly different to avoid the violation.

At any rate, it should be good now.

More generally, you don't need an admin to remove a CSD tag. While you can't do it on an article you created, any other editor is able to remove it so long as they believe that the problem was fixed. AfD wasn't required - just the opinion of a third party. - Bilby (talk) 15:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Category:Atheist and agnostic politicians
Hi! The discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2009 June 10 was closed before I had a chance to reply to your question, so I thought I'd reply here: "With all due respect, as nominator of this WP:CFD, although I appreciate BLACK FALCON's vote, I don't quite understand what The good news is that the information is not completely lost; every article in this category should still be tagged with '(Nationality) politicians' and '(Nationality) atheists' or '(Nationality) agnostics' categories. means. Thanks. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 08:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)" What I meant is that although deletion of the category would remove the "Atheist and agnostic politicians" designation from the articles, they (the articles) would still be located in categories identifying their subjects as politicians (Category:Politicians by nationality) and as atheists or agnostics (Category:Atheists by nationality or Category:Agnostics by nationality). Therefore, deleting Category:Atheist and agnostic politicians would not remove the articles it contained from the Politicians and Atheists or Agnostics category trees.

I hope that this clarifies the meaning of my comment. Cheers, –B LACK F ALCON  (T ALK ) 20:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages
Hello. I thought I'd contact you, becuase you've been working hard on disambiguation pages and I feel bad that I've reverted so many of them. You might be interested to read the guidelines at MOS:D - especially that on a disambiguation page entries are rarely piped and there should only be 1 blue link per line for most entries. I hope I haven't offended you by this. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 09:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

User:Rms125a@hotmail.com/Joyce Wadler
Not sure you mind someone editing in your userspace so I'll just note some of my suggestions here. First, "in her own right" adds nothing and should be removed. Second, the sentence needs a period at the end. JoshuaZ (talk) 22:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Peri Gilpin
Hi, I was just wondering about the reason for changing her birth name to "Periwinkle". The article had this as her birth name for quite some time, and I appreciate that there are several sites, including the two that you gave, that give that as her birthname. I've done a little digging, and there are also numerous that give her birth name as "Peri Kay Oldham" or "Peri Kay O'Brien". Three of the four external links at the bottom of the article all say that her birthname was "Peri Kay Oldham" (Film Reference, IMDb (not the most reliable source, granted), All Movie). How can we deal with this? She can't have three birthnames but we can't really say which is correct of the three. What do you think? Rossrs (talk) 23:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've amended my comment above as they all say "Oldham" not "O'Brien" as I stated. Yes, I'd heard about the "Periwinkle" name before, and I've seen at least one report that it was a joke that got out of hand.  But then, even that could be incorrect, so who knows?  I've changed the name back to "Peri" rather than reverting your edit, so the other things have stayed as you wrote them. It's surprising how much misinformation is available regarding her name.  Rossrs (talk) 23:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. It's good to now understand where the "Oldham" came from. I always thought she must have had a terrible time in school with a name like "Periwinkle", so I'm relieved for her. :-)  Cheers.  Rossrs (talk) 03:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Joan Downes
An article that you have been involved in editing, Joan Downes, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. WWGB (talk) 11:53, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Murder of Natalia Estemirova
I did not find any sources stating that she was buried in line with Islamic tradition. Therefore, I have removed your edits. 76.197.130.190 (talk) 11:19, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Date of birth missing vs Year of birth missing
Hi. Concerning these editd of yours I would like to inform you at per instructions in Category:Date of birth missing, this category should be placed in discussion pages. For articles pages there is the Category:Year of birth missing. The same holds for Date of death missing. Moreover, I would like additionally to note that Category:Place of birth missing and Category:Place of death missing are also intended for discussion pages. I already wrote you again about that back on May. Thanks again, Magioladitis (talk) 23:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Trinidad and Tobago
I'm curious about parts of this edit. Granted the article is a sad mess. But... Just trying to sort of the mess... Guettarda (talk) 22:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Why change date formatting? (e.g., March 22 -> 22 March)? It's normal to let local usage stand in articles tied to specific countries.
 * You changed "Trinidad and Tobago elected for independence" to "the majority of Trinbagonians voted for independence". There was no vote, and why insert the slang "Trinbagonian" (here and elsewhere in the article)?
 * Why delete "Trinidadian Whites are commonly referred to as French Creoles regardless of their actual heritage"?
 * Why delete "Mixed race can include ethnic mixes of any number of Trinidad and Tobago's many ethnic groups."?
 * While you may have done it with the best of intentions, calling Indo-Trinidadians "these people" is a little offensive.


 * Regarding independence - there was no vote. Bustamante campaigned on an anti-Federal platform in Jamaica. When he won, the took Jamaica out of the Federation. Without Jamaica, Williams decided that the financial burden of the Federation was too much for Trinidad to bear alone, and made his famous "one from ten leave nought" speech. Independence was then negotiated - the voters had no input. "Elected" can mean more than just "had an election" - to elect to do something means to choose to do something.
 * Trinidadian whites are commonly referred to as French Creoles. My father's generation distinguished between English Creoles and French Creoles, but today it's usually just a synonym for "Trinidad White". The whole article is enough of a mess that adding a source for that one statement would, of course, create more problems than it would solve.
 * People from TT are properly known as "Trinidadians" or "Tobagonians". "Trinbagonian" is just a slang term meant to convey a greater sense of nationalism and inclusion for Tobagonians.
 * I still don't understand the date change.

Guettarda (talk) 04:27, 25 July 2009 (UTC)