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Kings of Burgundy
Just to note that I created a disambiguation page Rudolph of Burgundy and stub articles Rudolph I, King of Burgundy, Rudolph II, King of Burgundy and Rudolph III, King of Burgundy a few weeks back and directed existing links into them - and expanded my article on Rudolph I earlier today without having realised that you had created different and fuller pages since. Any preferences on how the pages should be merged? PWilkinson 23:41, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Middle Ages project
Hi _ I enjoyed your First Battle of Langensalza, well written and informative. It was posted on the Middle Ages project list of new articles. Feel free to post any articles you create or edit for others who may be interested, or to join the group. Stbalbach 02:32, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

U-P
Hey, this is Y2A. You should put a link to U-P on the user page to try and attract members to the board. Later. JerseyDevil 07:56, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

I didn't vandalize your user page. Kylie did. I made the mistake of putting the link I found of your user page (after libertarian told me about it) on U-P and he must have came and vandalized it. My bad. :( Jersey Devil 18:49, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

ok ok i admit I y2a did in fact vsndalize it Jersey Devil 20:49, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Y2A
I don't know what Y2A did to upset you, and what you put on your userpage is your business in my opinion, but I think you can rise above it and not write personal attacks on it. At least in theory we are here to write an encyclopaedia, not engage in fighting, so maybe you'd consider removing the ugly comment and making your userpage a more positive reflection of what you're about. Grace Note 06:47, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Welcome from Penn State
Hi Ro4444, There are a number of Penn State Wikipedians around here, and I want to invite you to WikiProject_Pennsylvania_State_University if you are interested. Hope to see you around, GChriss 19:01, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Middle Ages did not call younger members of royal families as princes and princesses
please check the ongoing discussion about "princess" title on Talk:Margaret of Connaught - it will have implications that many medieval women will soon get the courtesy prefix "princess" before their names in article names. ObRoy 21:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Chupani
Hello! Yes the page exists but sometimes WP has software problem which makes it look like article doesn't exist. Usually making a small edit here or there will fix it which I have now done. It should be showing now. Khorshid 09:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Anush Tegin
Regarding your edit in Anush Tigin Gharchai:

I do not know where you see "Iranian pride" in that article (keeping aside the fact that User:Baristarim is trying to impose the modern Turkish name of the Khwarezm Shahs on the article, although it is totally irrelevant - that would rather qualify for Pan-Turkism), but your change leaves aside other opinions, such as the works of Buniyatov and Gosudarstvo (Khorezmshahov - Anushteginidov, original Russian tr.) who question Anush Tegin's Qipchaq or Qarluq origin. Though I agree with you that a Turkic origin is most likely (and has the better references in scholarly works, such as the Encyclopaedia Iranica), the name "Anush" which is clearly Zoroastrian (meaning "eternal") and is related to "Anushirvan" (" eternal soul", title of Khosrau I) does raise some questions: why was a Turkic slave of the 12th century in central Asia given a Zorostrian name?! The word "Tigin" is Turkic and means "prince" ... it was later added to his name.

Tājik 12:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. I usually go with authoritative scholarly sources, in this case with Encyclopaedia Iranica. Since it says that Anushtigin was a Turk, I won't object. As for Jalal ud-Din: the early Khwarizm Shahs may have had a Turkish look (meaning Mongoloid features), but their language was certainly Persian. Of course, many Central Asians of that time also knew Turkic tongues. But Arabic and Persian had a special status - these two languages were a mark of pride and reflected someones education and social status. That's the reason why Persian dialects in Central Asia are known as Dari which means "language of the kings".
 * As for Anush Tegin being a "Shah": no, he was not. He was only a governour who ruled in the name of Sultan Baykyaruq. After his death, his son Muhammad was appointed governour (to be precise: after Ekinchi) ... he became the first "Shah of Khwarizm" after the collapse of Seljuqid power in Central Asia.
 * Tājik 00:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert
Thanks for the revert on the Roar Ljøkelsøy article. I greatly appreciated it. Chris 20:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. Chris 01:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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History of Iran
Hi, As I saw you work on the Ilkhanite and related issue. Can you please improve this sectio :History of Iran? Thanks a lot. -- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 05:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 03:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Good job
I appreciate your good job on Tughlugh Timur. Thank You. -- Altruism To talk  05:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats no problem. I got mislead by some facts and wrongly requested for a merger with Timur. The article Tughlugh Timur is indeed obscure. I also see that you have enormous interest in various arms of the Mongol Empire. I share some of that. Thanking You,  Altruism T a l k - Contribs. 08:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Maps 'n' such
For the map you mentioned, I used the topographic maps located at Topographic_map (cutting and pasting them together using Windows Paint). Alas, I don't have the original product anymore, but it is easily re-creatable. Let me know if you have any problems. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 03:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Chobanids and others
i have updated the Map

please inform me on any furthur comments... and please feel free to change the Kara Koyunlu map comment...

peace... --Arab League User 03:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Timurids
I wrote a reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.137.200 (talk) 01:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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Foot notes and page numbers
Hi. I've been editing a few of the articles you've created and I was wondering if you could add footnotes with page numbers to correspond with the text especially for new articles you create so it will be easier to verify the data. Some of the articles you have created are quite intersting and I am trying to figure out how and when it is prudent to add former country infoboxes which only apply to parts of the rule of the various families/dynasties. Anyways, thank you. gren グレン 07:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I sent that message after adding Template:nofootnote to Muzaffarids, something I do as a matter of course for seemingly well referenced articles without footnotes. Since it's difficult to tell when another user adds in material if that material is from one of your references or not (without going through the history edit by edit).  When I looked at your newest article created I realized you hadn't given page numbers for that easier and--I know I haven't gone back and given page numbers for many of my old article creations (all of which are shorter than yours), but I know it's much easier to do it when you are writing the article so I figured I'd try to encourage that.  User:Grenavitar/Muzaffarids is my example for you... it doesn't have nearly enough footnotes but... basically any statistic or fact that isn't readily known should be referenced like the spelling in Persian and the list of rulers if you copied them from a list in the book.  The easiest things to reference are any dates or numbers like populations.  This diff is my example of what to do... although, I only did the first paragraph... if you find a whole paragraph on a few consecutive pages then just add at the end of that paragraph.  But, the main goal is that any fact checker will be able to go to the book and only have to search a few pages rather than the whole book for the material.  As I said, it's unlikely that you'll go back to fix every article since that would take forever... but on any new articles references as much as you can can't hurt... and it's not too hard if you're doing it while you do the research.  Thanks --gren グレン 08:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

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Buyid dynasty
ٔNew map! It is based on which reliable source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Buyids.png

--Wayiran (talk) 15:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

ِAnd what was wrong with the previous map? Your map is confusing, as it has distinguished between muslim and nonmuslim dynasties instead of showing Buyid Iranian dynasty seperately. --Wayiran (talk) 19:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Buyids were originally Daylamite people, who were in the south of caspian sea. More over study this link which says that "Buyid control peaked during the reign (949–83) of Adud ad-Dawlah, who increased the dynasty’s territorial domain, adding Oman, Tabaristan, and Jorjan." (Tabaristan and Gorgan/Jorjan are in the south of the Caspian sea) I also checked in Persian sources and all were saying that the region at the south of caspian sea was under the control of Buyids.--Wayiran (talk) 13:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the article can have 2 maps. one which is the shaded version of your map and the other which shows Buyids at their largest extent(during that 20 years, including ). Is it fine? I will make the second map, but please guide me as you are more professional in this matter. Is this map fine for the "Buyids at their greatest extent"? Thanks. --Wayiran (talk) 13:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The information from "The Cambridge History of Iran" had been added by someone else and not me. I didn't have chance to check it until today and you were right! The were not the Grand Vizier. At least it was not mentioned in that book. However, I don't get the reason for some of your recent edits! Why you keep removing information and citations of "The Cambridge history of Iran" and "Britannica"?--Larno Man (talk) 21:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for disturbing you again and again, but can you please change the present buyid dynasty image to this one, but showing Fatimid caliphate in a different color and also hamdanid empire in a different color(If they are not iranian, I couldnt find the translation of hamdanids in persian, and I dont knkow they were Iranians or no, If it is Hamedanian then they are Iranian, as today also there is a state of hamedan in Iran), and color the remaining parts (except byzantine empire) in a different color and name all of them in that info table as Iranian states(instead of muslim states), which is including:
 * samanids(in many Iranian sources that I checked They are iranian persian speaking people)
 * saffarids(iranian)
 * Buyids(iranian)
 * ziarids(iranian)
 * justanids(iranian)
 * gilites(iranian)
 * sallarids(iranian)
 * shirvan(this one I'm not 100% sure, but probably they are azerbaijanian Iranians.)

Again I'm sorry for disturbing you. Are you Iranian/you know Persian? --Wayiran (talk) 09:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Persian language I'm ready for ANY kind of help. Please don't hesitate to ask the questions or asking for translation.

like the translation of the above text in persian is:

دربارهٔ زبان فارسی من آمادهٔ هرگونه کمک هستم. خواهشمندم در پرسیدن سوال‌ها یا درخواست برای ترجمه درنگ نکنید

which is:


 * Regarding - دربارهٔ


 * Persian language - زبان فارسی


 * I'm ready - من آماده هستم

ٔ
 * ANY kind - هرگونه
 * help - کمک


 * Please - خواهشمندم/لطفا


 * don't hesitate - درنگ نکنید


 * to ask - پرسیدن


 * questions - سوال‌ها


 * or - یا


 * asking - درخواست


 * for - برای


 * translation - ترجمه

--Wayiran (talk) 16:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the accidental content deletion when I reverted-fixed the cites to shorten them. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 01:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

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Muhammad ibn Wasil
Thanks for your note regarding Muhammad ibn Wasil.

I've edited the article a bit - see what you think of my changes. I've disposed of the redirects, sometimes chosen spellings in accordance with WP article names, and tidied the punctuation and prose a tad.

I would suggest that the piece might benefit from the inclusion of some explanatory notes in the main text, rather than relying on wikilinks to impart the meaning to a reader who is unfamiliar with the language, the region and it's history and politics. Phrases like "the Saffarid amir of Sistan, Ya'qub ibn al-Layth" can be a bit heavy going if you have only a vague notion of what an amir is, and have never even heard of Sistan. I wasn't even sure where the name of the place ended - it could be the city of Sistan in the country of Ya'qub for all I know.

One word which I think should occur in the introduction is 'Iran' - I would have added it myself, but I'm not sure if it was Iran then.... I think maybe Persia?

I think the piece needs more section headings, or sub-headings - the section titled "Rule of Fars" covers a period when Muhammad ruled Fars, but also a period when he might or might not have controlled Fars, and a period when he certainly did not. The last paragraph should perhaps be called "Imprisonment and death". The circumstances of his death might not be known, but I'm pretty sure he is dead by now.

HTH

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 * Hey, thanks! I really appreciate it. I've really liked some of the maps and articles that you've created regarding Roman/Byzantine and early Muslim history; it's always good to meet someone who shares the same interest in this field. Thanks again! Ro4444 (talk) 02:31, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: My edits
I felt there could have been more citations. Nothing wrong in having an article that doesn't have enough citations. Adamdaley (talk) 19:47, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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Useful book
Since you write a lot on the Caliphate's governors, this book, which i'm sure you already know, would probably be of major help to you. The book is excellent in itself, but the appendices are a prosopographical treasure trove. Cheers and a happy New Year, Constantine  ✍  01:48, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! It's definitely an immensely useful book; it's good to have it. If you're ever looking for any historical works, feel free to ask and I'll see if I can help. Happy new year to you too! Ro4444 (talk) 04:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hey Ro4444, I love your work on maps, VERY VERY BEAUTIFULLY done, I want to collaborate with you and work on 2 maps that you will certainer enjoy, one the post Seljuk decentralization with many puppet states, I want to emphasize the Islamic dis-unity, this map is in Arabic and of low quality I would love to translate it for you and you can make your "MAP" and secondly the Ayyubid map at it's highest extent I will give you a sort of blueprint the map we have on Wikipedia is a Grace, I think mentioning cities like Aleppo and Hims and Hama with many sub-Ayyubid dynasty ruled will be appreciable for the minds of historians and readers. I'm very interested in the way you work, I noticed your map have sort of the same outlook, today I was reading the Aq Qoyunlu wiki page I noticed the similarity of the map to th Buyid and Hamdanid and I knew someone was doing this so here I am, I just created this soleley to contact you and make more maps. RussianDewey (talk) 09:04, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks! I'm glad to hear that you like my maps. It's been a while since I've done one, but I'd be happy to try my hand at what you're asking for. Feel free to send me whatever you have and I can see what I can work up. Ro4444 (talk) 12:20, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm new to Wikipedia and I never realized you replied back to me, so now I'm learning how to do things and putting watchlist, yes I will send you some blue-prints in the next weeks to come.RussianDewey (talk) 06:46, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry about that, I should have responded to you directly. Anyway, I already took a stab at the Ayyubid map:



If you're interested, I also uploaded a new Hamdanid map:



Feel free to send me whatever materials you have, and I'll see what I can do with them. Ro4444 (talk) 18:58, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Al-Ikhshid
Hello! I've nominated Muhammad ibn Tughj al-Ikhshid for the MILHIST A-class review. So far, feedback is very positive, especially regarding comprehensibility, which was a major concern of mine. However, before going to attempt a featured article review, I'd like to ask you to have a look when you have some time, as you are probably the most expert editor on the region and era that I know of. Cheers, Constantine  ✍  10:46, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Constantine,
 * I just went through the article; as usual, it's very well done. I don't think anyone can say anything negative about comprehensibility or sourcing. The only thing I noticed (and it's VERY a minor one) is that, in a few places, the prose is slightly confusing; for example, the first time I read it I thought Muhammad and his brother had killed both al-Jarjara'i and Ibn Hamdan, rather than the three of them coming together to kill the vizier. Other than that, I think it's a fine job, good work as always. Feel free to let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.Ro4444 (talk) 15:03, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Great, I am pleased you found it OK. Taking you up on your offer ;), could you mark out which places were confusing? And, for the sake of comprehensiveness, is there anything, however minor, you think is missing? I am afraid that I am learning about the events & background of these articles largely as I go along writing them, so I cannot be sure that I have exhausted the topic. Once again thanks for your assistance! Constantine  ✍  16:37, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem. I just left a few miscellaneous comments in my sandbox. Like I said, these were pretty minor. There were a couple of other things that I didn't initially get the first time I read the article, but are grammatically correct; for example, I normally read "fled there" as "fled from there," but it can also mean "fled to there," as the context makes clear. I chalked those up as a failure on my part to understand the meaning, not a flaw with the wording itself. Ro4444 (talk) 16:15, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, again! I've fixed the troublespots. Feel free to add/change anything any time. I'll probably proceed with the FA nomination within the next few days :). Cheers, Constantine  ✍  19:34, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't mention it. Good luck with the FA submission! Ro4444 (talk) 16:46, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

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