User talk:Roads4117/Carlwev

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Hi Carlwev, how are you? I have just set up this page for us, as I thought it would be easier to write it up on our shared userpage. Hope that is ok with you. Roads4117 (talk) 16:56, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for making a start. Sorry been very busy. I wouldn’t say the road passes through Eltham. Eltham is in Greenwich Borough, boundary is close but further east than this road, and would be horn park area of Eltham, half mile ish east, Eltham/hornpark/Mottingham. Lee and grove park electoral wards meet at the south circular road, it goes straight from Lee to grove park. I lived there for 20 years, never heard anyone refer to that junction as Eltham.  Carlwev  12:07, 17 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Carlwev, don't worry about being busy.
 * Would you say it is more in Lee? TBH, when looking on Google Maps, Eltham town centre is roughly 1.8-1.9 miles (3.0km) to the east, and according to Google Maps, the junction is SE12 (Lee postcode), not SE9 (Eltham postcode), so definitely not classified as Eltham. You could say it is in Hither Green, but that is SE6 (Catford postcode), and Grove Park is split between SE12 and BR1. Roads4117 (talk) 08:20, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Going to start writing the article now @Carlwev, feel free to add and correct! Roads4117 (talk) 17:47, 21 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Carlwev, how are you? I have more or less finished the section on Burnt Ash Road, just need to add some more citations. Roads4117 (talk) 10:16, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Carlwev, how are you? Sorry I haven't edited recently - I have been busy with educational stuff, but I should start editing again later this month/early June. Do you have any suggestions etc for the article? Roads4117 (talk) 11:57, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Carlwev, how are you? Please let me know when you have finished doing your current article, so we can work together on this. Or I can crack on with this, and when I am done, you can give me feedback on where to improve etc. Both are just suggestions at this point, but please do let me know in the near future which one would work best. Roads4117 (talk) 08:27, 7 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Carlwev, how are you. I am just letting you know that I am moving the page that we are working on to Draft:A2212 road. Roads4117 (talk) 06:09, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

North end
Thanks for setting this page up by the way, good idea.

Just so you know the northern end of the road is actually not the A205, it continues another mile north to Lee Green. The northern end is Lee Green junction with Eltham Road and Lee High Road (A20) and Lee Road (B212). At the A205 junction the A2212 is not a continuous straight road, it's kind of split.  Carlwev  09:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that Carlwev, I completely forgot about how it ends in Lee. Also, when we do the route section, should we start it with Lee or Bromley? Roads4117 (talk) 09:57, 16 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Looking at other road articles, for roads coming out of London, they all start the route with the London end. I know Lee Green isn’t exactly central London but it’s inner London, and Bromley is outer London, so doing Lee to Bromley would be my preference.  Carlwev  02:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)


 * OK then, thanks. Roads4117 (talk) 10:57, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Gallery
https://wikimap.toolforge.org/?lat=51.45703&lon=0.0492&zoom=12&lang=en#close

I was looking through the Wiki photo page, to see how many photos were already on Wikimedia with coordinates linked to this road - there's more than I thought. I thought if I link them all we can trim out the ones which are repetative, or not too focused on the road, or otherwise not very good. I put it on the talk page as I thought it looked hideous in the article.... These are the images I found that I thougt could be of use, presumebly not all of them. There were more, but the others were not focused on the road, only on buildings near/on it.  Carlwev  10:25, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


 * OK great, thanks. I have numbered the photos, so then it is easier to say "keep this one, don't keep this one" etc. In my opinion, I would keep 2, 6, 8, 11, 13, 18, 25, 29, 31 and 35, although if you disagree, or think that it way too many, then just say and I can remove a few/you can give me a list. Roads4117 (talk) 09:58, 16 February 2023 (UTC)


 * FYI I have changed the picture in the infobox to #6. Roads4117 (talk) 09:12, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Carlwev, how are you?
 * I have just got round to actually sorting out those photos which you asked me to do four weeks ago. I will add them to the main page either tomorrow or on the weekend. Roads4117 (talk) 15:58, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Done! Roads4117 (talk) 17:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Sabre citation
Hi Carlwev, how are you? I was going to let you know that if you find a better citation than SABRE Roads for the original Lewisham route, then please replace it (FYI I have had a look but can't find anything). Also, if you th8nk that it is too close to that SABRE article, then please change it more into your words (I have already done that, but I may have done a terrible job at it :-) ). Roads4117 (talk) 16:52, 27 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi. I was unfamiliar with the previous Lewisham route. There are numerous old maps, Ordnance Survey and some others from the late 1600s to the 1900s, I’ve used them as refs for other articles. They feel like the type of ref Wikipedia prefers. They show the route from Lee to Bromley as it was previously. The part near Lee has been the same as it is now for longer, near Grove Park the original route appears to have followed what is now Burnt Ash Hill and Marvels Lane, before Baring Road existed, but when the railway was built the bridge over the track was only a footbridge, so could no longer be used by heavy traffic. I found an account that said one of the Baring Family, paid for a better road at Grove Park, near the Baring Hotel, as he didn’t like the condition of the previous road. I find it interesting the previous road names. Burnt Ash name is very old, older than Grove Park and Baring names. Baring Road previously had the name of Burnt Ash Lane continued from the south, then it was called Bromley Road for some time. Marvels Lane was previously called Gravel Pit Lane. I find all this interesting and also relevant the history of the Lee to Bromley route, and sourcable from maps. <b style="color:yellowgreen;background:darkgreen;font-family:georgia;"> Carl</b><b style="color:darkgreen;background:yellowgreen;font-family:georgia;">wev </b> 20:32, 27 February 2023 (UTC)


 * OK cool - I will add this section to the article later -- unless if you want to do it because I'm guessing you know the articles you got all of this information from... Roads4117 (talk) 19:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Murder of Jimmy Mizen
Murder of Jimmy Mizen - This tragic event happened in the Three Cooks Bakery on the corner of Burnt Ash Hill and Woodyates Road. I think the bakery is now a café called The Kitchen. (Coincidently my mother worked in the Three Cooks Bakery, years before this happened though). We could probably put a summary of this event in the history, and copy the references from the main article. I did the same when creating the article on Well Hall with the Murder of Stephen Lawrence which happened there. Or would this seem off topic, as it's nothing to do with the road? I don't know. <b style="color:yellowgreen;background:darkgreen;font-family:georgia;"> Carl</b><b style="color:darkgreen;background:yellowgreen;font-family:georgia;">wev </b> 12:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Carlwev, how are you? Personally, I would add it, as it is technically related to the road, as it happened on the road, or on another neighbouring road. I did the same for Sabina Nessa at User:Ovinus/Roads4117 when creating the A2213 road articles a few months ago. But could you please add that when you're free, as you know much more about that incident than I do. I have added it to the history section of the page under Current route -> 10 May 2008: Murder of Jimmy Mizen. But obviously, if you are busy with personal life etc., then please say, as I am more than happy to do it. Thanks, Roads4117 (talk) 07:38, 8 April 2023 (UTC)