User talk:Robby.sabo

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Happy editing! CNMall41 (talk) 19:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jets X-Factor (July 3)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Qcne was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

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 Qcne  (talk)  19:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Qcne,
 * Thanks for the reply and info. Understood. I'm admittedly and wholly a novice per Wikipedia. While I'm confident that Jets X-Factor qualifies to have a company page at Wikipedia, I'm also sure that my first attempt to include the company at Wikipedia most likely failed in regard to the proper process. Without fully digging into things, I'm assuming that my effort to go "above and beyond" most likely hurt the submission.
 * The last thing I'd like is for the submission to resemble an "advertisement." We simply feel as though the most-read New York Jets media publication is worthy of inclusion.
 * Therefore, I'm going to regroup and get it right. Thanks again. Robby.sabo (talk) 21:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, Robby.sabo. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Jets_X-Factor, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the edit COI template)—don't forget to give details of reliable sources supporting your suggestions;
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.  Qcne  (talk)  19:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Robby.sabo as you have the same username as the founder, so I assume you are the founder, you obviously have a conflict of interest.  Qcne  (talk)  19:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Correct. I had no idea this was an actual guideline. My apologies. Moreover, I would never attempt to deceive Wikipedia, so I suppose I'll just end this attempt here and call it a day. (And I get it: The number of folks attempting to use Wikipedia to get ahead must be out of control, so precautions must be taken.)
 * As a credentialed media member, I pride myself on unbiased and objective thoughts and words. The sources I provided are of serious and objective ilk, and our credentials are both genuine and impressive for a small independent site. So, never once did it even cross my mind that this would be out of bounds. As an outlet that leads the way in traffic in this category ("new york jets"), it's considerably tougher to compete as an independent (i.e. other Jets sites fall under a parent company, i.e. SB Nation or FanSide, thus already having Wikipedia pages). But since we do lead the category, I figured giving it a shot with Wikipedia, four years after our founding, was worthwhile.
 * In any event, my apologies. We'll just keep the company off of Wikipedia entirely. No worries. Thanks again. Robby.sabo (talk) 21:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Qcne,
 * Should I resubmit in a different manner, or is there no situation in which I can submit the company due to my founding status? And if the latter is the case, under what circumstance can a company actually be introduced to Wikipedia? No matter how it's sliced, the initial submission will be coming from a human that is "involved" in some form or fashion, even if it's a fan or reader of the publication. So, I'm trying to navigate what my next move is (if there even is one).
 * In your expert opinion, what should I do from here? Objectively speaking, does Jets X-Factor not have the requisite credentials, traffic, notoriety and attributions/sources it needs to qualify for a Wikipedia page/article?
 * If rewriting in some fashion is required, there's no way I'd disagree with that notion (due to my novice Wikipedia stature). However, I am left incredibly confused on how a company or individual is initially introduced to Wikipedia (as a submission), since it's impossible for it to happen without somebody at least somewhat "familiar" with the entity or individual. (At the same time, I do understand the safeguards put in place, in order to prevent abuse of the system.)
 * Nonetheless, I do stand on the opinion that Jets X-Factor more than qualifies for Wikipedia, and that the original submission (while undoubtedly not up to Wikipedia standards) was not an "advertisement" effort. It was in-depth, yes, and cites many familiar names and outlets that have spoken about and cited Jets X-Factor, but there's exists no "look at us" effort. It was simply a matter of relaying the company's history, established relationships, credentials and notoriety in the sports media industry.
 * Any helpful advice from this point forward would be greatly appreciated.
 * Thanks. Robby.sabo (talk) 23:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Robby.sabo.
 * I wont make any judgement on if your media publication merits a Wikipedia article. The problem is that it is written in a completely promotional tone. It states, in a slightly gushing manner, all that the company does. But Wikipedia isn't interested in that: we're interested in what reliable independent sources state about the company.
 * Wikipedia articles should only summarise or paraphrase what reliable, independent, sources state about a topic. Your draft has the kind of text that is suited for the About Us section of your website, but not suitable for Wikipedia.
 * My advice: start from scratch and do not work WP:BACKWARDS. Find independent, reliable sources that discuss the company in detail (not press releases, not interviews), and then summarise them into a short draft. Feel free to overwrite on Draft:Jets_X-Factor.
 * One other tip: we do not allow external links in the body of the text. If you wanted to inter-link between existing articles, use WP:WIKILINKS instead.
 * Let me know if you have any questions.  Qcne  (talk)  10:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, and 100% understood. Critically speaking, as long as I know that a follow-up submission fitting Wikipedia's guidelines will at least be accepted for review, I'll get to work on it after thoroughly schooling myself on all-things Wikipedia. (I'm self-taught in both the SEO, dev and journalism world, so let's just say that I love taking on challenges of this ilk.)
 * In other words, I just want to make sure I'm not traveling down an automatic dead-end, considering I'm submitting a company article that I'm closely tied to.
 * Hope to speak to you in the near future. Thanks for the feedback. Robby.sabo (talk) 22:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I can't guarantee an acceptance even after a rewrite unfortunately. Your best bet is to really study our notability criteria at Notability (organizations and companies) and then look at existing articles about businesses that have been rated good.
 * Writing a new article is genuinely the hardest task a new user can do on Wikipedia. Akin to performing in an orchestra when you've only just picked up a violin. Not to discourage you, but to set your expectations. Id recommend making improvements to existing articles you don't have a conflict of interest in first, so you understand how to write for Wikipedia.
 * Happy to answer any questions you may have, and to look over any new drafts you write before you submit, just ping me here or my user talk page.  Qcne  (talk)  22:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Understood (on a guarantee of an acceptance), and I'd never expect that. I also imagine you neither want to nor shouldn't provide a direct answer, but I'm specifically interested in the "automatic dismissal due to connection to company" regard. That's my only concern . If it is an automatic dismissal, no matter what, I'd simply let it go. If not, I'll get to work on schooling myself.
 * Will do (on pinging you via a next draft). Appreciate it. Thanks. Robby.sabo (talk) 22:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * We do get plenty of people writing drafts for things they have a connection with, and as long as you declare it properly that is allowed.
 * There is going to be more scrutiny on drafts and edits made by CoI editors, but that's just to ensure there's no hidden spamming going on.  Qcne  (talk)  10:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Having lived in the SEO/journalistic world for over a decade, I wholly understand. Talk soon. Thanks. Robby.sabo (talk) 13:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * And FYI: While I realize that the last thing on your mind is a random individual working hard to figure out the Wikipedia landscape (me), just a quick heads up that I might not return to this until next week at some point (or some point in the near future).
 * In other words, "There's always too much to do with not nearly adequate time to accomplish it all." The digital media/webmaster world is an exercise in time management.
 * I'll be back on this soon enough. Thanks. Robby.sabo (talk) 12:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries, there are no deadlines on Wikipedia and we're all volunteers. Drafts get deleted after six months of no activity, but other than that take your time.  Qcne  (talk)  14:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)