User talk:RobertClark

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20081029 Communication and Coordination on the Trager article
I have noticed that the Trager wiki has been frequently edited and questioned over the last month by one or two Trager folks and by a Wikipedia moderator. It is possible to have a Wikipedia site removed for not following the rather complicated Wikipedia posting rules. I am concerned about this. I am not interested in censoring the Trager Wikipedia content, only in having it accurate, up-to-date, clear to the average English reader, and abiding by Wikipedia rules that protect the presence of the Trager Approach entry on Wikipedia.

My interest about the Trager Approach Wikipedia entry come from my having created the entry in August 06 and working over several months to get the entry fairly complete in a most basic form, and correct according to Wikipedia rules. There are many formal aspects to having a complete entry: having a concise beginning definition, having various sections about the history, organization, the method and theory, footnoted sources, links, an entry outline, and categorial inclusion within the holistic health spectrum. I had to learn a lot about how to organize and format a Wikipedia entry. I printed out for myself over 60 pages of guidelines and instructions. There was much back and forth with the moderator who was questioning the form and content of the Trager entry.

Three important things became clear in developing this Trager entry. First, the entry had to be “neutral” and factual; that is, it could not be a commercial promotion of the approach and its benefits. Second, that Wikipedia style requires that no service marks (“trade marks”) be used in the title or body of the entry. With some work the words of our service mark can be made to standout as italicized (this has been lost by recent attempts to put service marks into the entry). And the third important learning, was the need to find and factually footnote all the material included in the Trager entry. Failure to follow these lessons can threaten the presence of a Trager Wikipedia entry.

Wikipedia is an attempt to have an accurate, clear, well-expressed explanation of our world. It is not an opinion or chat room. I believe it is important not to use unexplained technical, “in house” slang, or abbreviations that are not explained in the context of what we fundamentally want the world to know about the Trager Approach.

I believe the Trager entry could be expanded and deepened. Reflex-Response could have its own section. I hope a completely separate entry about Dr. Trager will be written and pictures included. I hope other language Wikipedia entries on Trager will be written. Wikipedia is open-source; the material can be used by public and translated. We can expect a section of criticism about Trager to appear in the Trager Wikipedia entry, but this should only stand if it is written factually on some kind of scientific basis (other mind-body approaches have balanced criticisms of their theory).

I would invite communication to me about Wikipedia Trager entries so that a unified, factual, well-ordered entry can be present on the world-wide web. I would personally like to talk with the Trager person or persons currently trying to add to the Trager entry. The moderator is probably loosing patience with the entry being changed repeatedly in variance with Wikipedia rules. I have no particular interest in controlling the Wikipedia Trager article, as if that were possible; however, coherent, professional articles about our work are a benefit to everyone. Robert Clark

20091128 The TRAGER Wiki Article is getting opinionated again
During the month of November 2009 a number of changes have been made to Trager Approach Article. These changes have been more in a nature of adding an opinion without references or strict Wiki form.

As I stated a year ago, I would like to keep the Trager Article accurate and clear. Please communicate with me before making additions. We can easily lose the privilege of having a Trager page.

If you do not get a Wiki login identification, the statements made on Wiki cannot receive direct feedback. We cannot collaborate and assure currency or accuracy. Please act with integrity in contributing to the Trager Approach Article. My personal contact information is easily available through Trager circles in the USA.

"The Trager® Approach" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect The Trager® Approach and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 2 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. BD2412 T 20:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)