User talk:RobertG/Archive-04

Blacklisted links ?
Recently on the Tarzan (NBC series) page you removed an external link because it was "blacklisted". What do you mean by "blacklisted" in this context? —MJBurrage • TALK  • 20:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Currencies replaced by the E/euro
Your bot changed Category:Currencies replaced by the Euro to Category:Category:Currencies replaced by the euro. Thanks for making the change. Unfortunately, there's an extra "Category:". Ingrid 18:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Order of the Bath
Hi, I've requested a rename of Category:Knights of the Order of the Bath which will essentially undo the merge you initiated via WP:CfD on August 2. In case you read this before the Cfd closes (unlikely if you are on a wikibreak until early Sept) my motivation for doing so can be found at Talk:Order of the Bath. Dr pda 23:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Your bot
I note your bot patrols the categories in Category:Wikipedia category redirects. Is there any way you can get it to patrol Category:Protected deleted categories and remove and articles from the categories listed in there? They are all categories that have been deleted and are subject to regular recreation. Steve block Talk 23:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC) "I should be able to get my bot to clear out articles' references to categories in Category:Protected deleted categories without too much trouble. I'll work on it when I get a moment (which may not be this week)."
 * Sorry, been immersed in other stuff. Thanks for looking into this, how are you getting on? Steve block Talk 20:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

My Word!
Isn't Dennis Norden that marvellous voice on "My Word?" I haven't heard that show in years, but it was one of my favourites when I was in graduate school. That's a funny story ... Lord Russell himself. Thanks for the laugh! --And yes, that vandal has me shaking my head a bit. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 14:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

recent change to category on: HMCS Shearwater (ship)
The category of Canadian Armed Forces is still a valid category for HMCS Shearwater (ship). She was commissioned and saw service in The Royal Canadian Navy, the Canadian Armed Forces (Tri-Service) and later on in the Canadian Forces (Naval Element). There are various eras of the Canadian Military and changing the category to just Military of Canada creates a too large genre of 250 years, whereas each specific phase of Canadian Military history is unique. Please let me know if I should have used the duscussion page specific to HMCS Shearwater (ship), or this forum...Still trying to get a handle on the niceties involved. Any help in proper method to revert back, or to also include the categories would be appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smittyjr (talk • contribs) 15 September 2006.

Help disambiguating
Hello, I've seen you've been editing UK related articles, and there is a current need to help disambiguate the term British. At Disambiguation pages with links, British is the disambiguation pages with the most links (by far), and ideally there should be no links to disambiguation pages. So if possible, please take a look at the links, and try to disambiguate the links to a more correct location. It's actually pretty easy, and most get disambiguated to United Kingdom. If we could get 10 or so people doing 50 links a day, we'll be done in no time. Thanks in advance, -- Jeff3000 03:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Baltasar Carlos, Prince of Asturias
Hello. I don't even know if it had something to do with your bot, but when I entered at Baltasar Carlos, Prince of Asturias, it told me there was no such page, but I could access it in the history, and the last edit was made by RobotG. Please, resolve it if there's any problem with your bot. Guestia 18:12, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

my thanks for your help and advice
RobertG my many thanks for your quick response and direction....I've been trying to stick inside the guide (so to speak), and I understand better that more specific, as opposed to many different categories....Took just a quick look on the category page and found what I need..But again, my thanks. Smitty 04:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

List of first-class cricket records
We have listed Styris' 53 with 13 fours as an example of an innings with a high percentage of boundaries. Last Saturday, Mark Pettini scored 114* against Leics' declaration bowling, which was made entirely of fours and sixes. Someone posted in rec.sport.cricket today that the next best in the 100% category is Thilina Kandamby's innings of 52 against Zim A. Will one of this be worth including in the article instead of Styris ?

In the Essex - Leics match, Darrell Robinson might have made it to the "most runs in an over" list but I couldn't find the details in any match report. Tintin (talk) 06:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Golden ratio
Dear RobertG: Nice to see you participating in the Golden ratio article. If you look at the article's edit history and atTalk:Golden ratio, you will see that an additional dose of civility is sorely needed there. Your further participation would be most welcome. By the way, just before you deleted the unsourced paragraph, I posted a message on the contributor's Talk page requesting a source: User talk:Alexb@cut-the-knot.com. Thanks. Finell (Talk) 15:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Just a wee tip
Removing. Youve been here longer than me! Sorry! Gl e n 16:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply, "great minds... " All worked out well then it seems :) Gl e n 17:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Error
Just thought I'd let you know on an issue I came across. The bot moved (or added) languages in the wrong place on the article Prince (musician). I have fixed it, but I thought I'd let you know! - Ashadeofgrey 21:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

You (or your bot) have added Transportation occupations to my Louis Paulhan page. This is nonsense - a person is not an occupation. I have deleted it. Emeraude 11:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC) 10:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Constable
Cheers; I suppose we are the early birds with such articles: I consider this type of editing to be putting down bricks for others to build on in the future. I'll pop back from time to time to try and make the writing and structure a bit more elegant.

I've just added a book to the References section and unfortunately it's thrown out the neat fit around the picture; I've been tinkering about but can't work out how to sort it yet, so maybe you could help with that? Ideally, I'd like to see the References below the Notes, so that in future people may add real notes, not just bookref footnotes, with a bibliography below, the two in the same order as at the back of books.qp10qp 15:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Protected deleted categories
Is it that the bot removes pages from the category? —Centrx→talk &bull; 01:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Brahms and Schumann
Hi there! In fact, when Brahms met Schumann he had only completed the second and fourth movements of the Op.5 Piano Sonata - movements 1, 3 and 5 were written during October '53 in Düsseldorf. On the other hand the Op.1 Sonata - which was completed AFTER the op.2 Sonata - is called 'Fourth Sonata' on the manuscript. Presuming that op.2 is 'Third Sonata', that means that Brahms had written four sonatas and was part-way through a fifth when Schumann first met him.Cenedi 18:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Advice to a new user on the subject of anonymity?
Hi RobertG,

As a new user, I am thinking about pros and cons of anonymity. Would you like to share your thoughts with me on this, or point me to something you have already written on the subject? Thx losangelino 06:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Oita -> Ōita
Hi there. I just noticed that when your bot RobotG renamed all the Oita categories to Ōita categories that it missed one: Category:People from Oita Prefecture seems to still be unchanged. Bobo12345 09:14, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Graeme Hick
Thanks for the copyedits to the rewritten Hick article, most of which I think are handy improvements on what I originally wrote; my comment about Hick's hundred hundreds was certainly ripe for removal, not only because of Ramprakash but because it's bordering on being a personal opinion. There are one or two exceptions - I think "before the series was out" is slightly better than "before the last match of the series", for example - but I'm certainly not going to go reverting them!

The only thing I have changed is the passage mentioning Atherton's remark about the Sydney declaration. Given that he was commenting after his retirement, and was commenting on how he would have approached this specific happening again rather than what he might do in the future, I think "would not have taken such a decision again" is the correct form, rather than "would not take..." I've added "in his autobiography" to the text to make it clearer that he was commenting some years afterwards, not straight after the game.

Finally, I'm flattered by your remark on the edit summary! User:Dar2020 must take a portion of the credit too, since he was the one to inspire this rewrite in the first place, and he contributed a lot of useful ideas and references. Loganberry (Talk) 15:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I would be honoured to see the Hick article considered for featured status at some point, and I'll confess that the thought of submitting it in the future had crossed my mind. As you picked out, the main stumbling block at the moment is the lack of pictures: there are a couple of Hick on Flickr, but unfortunately under an unusable licence (cc-nc-nd-2.0). Any pictures you could obtain would certainly be extremely welcome, therefore. Loganberry (Talk) 13:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

America is not a country
RobertG, I don’t remember seeing you edit a lot of the saints articles, so I don't know why you felt it necessary to change my edits. Back in July, which got shot down, not once but twice in a week. There was hardly any discussion, nor was there really a chance to build a consensus. I was basically shouted down twice, by a group of people not involved in this area.

America is not a country, it is a continent. If you look at Saints by country, you will see that all the sub-cats (with a couple of broad exceptions are by country or nationality). America is not a country and, the category pattern as currently set up under Saints by country matches the commons, Spanish and Italian versions.

I find it amusing that we are even having this discussion, because if you look at Category:American saints, you'll see that it is a sub-cat of both Category:American people and Category:Religion in the United States – there is no consistency. I'm trying to make it consistent, and remove a U.S. bias.

I'm going to go ahead and change the categories back to what they were. If you really feel strongly about it, please bring it up at the CFR and let’s deal with it there. --evrik 18:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, if you end up agreeing with me, would you PLEASE run the bot and change all the saints back to the way they were? --evrik 19:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * WP:CFDS says that renaming between "American" and "United States" does not qualify for speedy renaming; and even CFDS has been bypassed here. There are enough "American" categories out there to make me think "America" must be an accepted name for the USA.  I do not have a full understanding of this issue (not being American), and so I prefer to go by Wikipedia consensus.  When I found the new redirect had been created, I naturally checked previous CFDs, and found them not in favour of your change.  This is the sole reason why I changed it back.  If there is a CFD consensus for this move, then let me know and of course I will gladly get the bot to help move the articles.
 * It is my view that if a CFD rename nomination is "shot down in flames" (see Categories for deletion/Log/2006_July_3 and Categories for deletion/Log/2006_July_11) it is not correct to go ahead anyway some time later. I'm sorry if this seems officious to you.  Believe me, if you can get consensus for the consistency you seek I will gladly help you implement it, but there seems to be no such consensus at the moment.  --RobertG &#9836; talk 09:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Natal day
Hi there! Happy Vaughan Williams birthday! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

 * It was top-notch writing. Good luck in your upcoming Wiki-contributions. --Lkjhgfdsa 8/15/2006.

REF: Everton AFC
Hello,

With you response to your comments about my editing of Everton. I apologise for my actions and I will refrain from adding any more nonsense to the site. I think wikipedia is a fantastic site and is a great source of knowledge.

Cheers —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bobby377 (talk • contribs) 17 October 2006.

List of compositions of Chopin
Thanks for getting rid of those ghastly names, I wanted to but didn't have sufficient self-confidence. Thanks again. 86.20.30.144 18:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

xmailharddrive
I've submitted Xmailharddrive for deletion, just letting you know because in that page's history I saw that you once suggested the same. --User24 01:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiRace
Interested in a wikirace.

Please relpy on my talk page.

Nathannoblet 08:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Removing full name from lead
Having the full name in the lead is standard encylopedia practice, at least if you consider Britannica the standard.


 * Steve Reich
 * born October 3, 1936, New York, N.Y., U.S.
 * , byname of Stephen Michael Reich   American composer who was ...
 * Antonín Dvorák
 * born September 8, 1841, Nelahozeves, Bohemia, Austrian Empire [now in Czech Republic]
 * died May 1, 1904, Prague
 * in full Antonín Leopold Dvorák  first Bohemian composer to ...
 * in full Antonín Leopold Dvorák  first Bohemian composer to ...

It would be a good idea to take this up with WikiProject Biography before making any more changes, as it has far-reaching style implications.

– flamurai (t) 07:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, scratch all that. There's already a guideline in place at MOS:BIO:


 * While the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, the subject's full name should be given in the lead paragraph, if known.

– flamurai (t) 07:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Katja Lane
Robert, why did you delete my entry for Katja Lane? I know it was small but I marked it as a stub so people can help expand it - isn't that what stub notices are for? How can anyone help expand if the entry isn't present? Also, if it was to be deleted shouldn't it be discussed or a reason given? FK0071a 12:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Why cant I rrepost interracial couple article
Why arent I allowed to repost that article? why was it every deleted? i believe it is very relevant —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scapone (talk • contribs) 26 October 2006.

Buster Douglas
Why arent the images of Buster Douglas vs Tyson permissable. I state the source, and in addition, it very clearly falls under the fair use policy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scapone (talk • contribs) 26 October 2006.

Deleting Duck Butter Records
Robert,

I am a little disapointed that you chose to delete the "Duck Butter Records" article. This article was researched for hours. I am not versed in the ways of Wiki and was hoping someone else out there could help me complete it.

Since I am at your mercy. What can I do to make this a legitimate article and not have you nazi's delete my hardwork?

Thanks in advance, Billy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bullbone (talk • contribs) 26 October 2006.


 * Well, not having read the article yet, I personally would say a good first step is to not call people from whom you are requesting help "nazi's". That doesn't tend to encourage friendly cooperation. Mak (talk)  18:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Makemi you are right. However I wanted to let Robert know in a very direct way I am upset. Had I know it would be considered spam or self promotion and deleted I would have done whatever was needed to make it legitimate. I apologize for trying to contribute.Billy (talk)


 * Billy, I have replied to you on your talk page. --RobertG &#9836; talk 08:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Robert I apologize for the Nazi comment. Thank you for your response. Just to clear up any misconception, I do not know Tim Biskup or Mike Biskup personally or professionally. Tim is a world wide known Lowbrow/Pop Surrealist artist. The Duck Butter article was meant to establish his early career. Some of his first commercial and fine art was created for the covers and inserts to these record releases. Makemi was very generous to put the page onto my user page to let me polish it for resubmission. Honestly, as I have stated before, I was just trying to create a comprehensive record of the history of his early work and nothing more.Bullbone 17:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fresh water islands of Scotland
I only just noticed this rename request after you did it, but as per the fresh water article (and its talk page), "fresh water" is a noun, "freshwater" is an adjective. In this context therefore, it should surely not have been split into two words when being renamed? Sorry I couldn't have noticed this sooner... --DeLarge 11:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Things have gone a bit pear-shaped all of a sudden, and I thought I'd better post here directly rather than just on the pages where process is followed.
 * An inexperienced user noticed our conversation on my talk page, but his well-meaning attempts at boldness have gone a little awry. Instead of getting the page and category renamed, he's created new ones and cut/pasted data to suit; See Category:Freshwater islands of Scotland/Category:Fresh water islands of Scotland and List of freshwater islands in Scotland/List of fresh water islands in Scotland. In the case of the latter, I think an administrative merge is required now that another user has made edits to the new page, but I'm not sure what should be done about the categories. And should I just follow process for both to get it all sorted? --DeLarge 22:23, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sorting this out folks. Ben MacDui 14:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar protocol?
Hello RobertG: I see that you just received one from the same person who gave me one earlier today. Since I have not gotten one before I am curious about how I should respond, if at all. I did notice that s/he has handed out a bunch of them and that among the many thanks on the userpage was a note from someone to the effect that it's probably good not to toss them around quite so blithely. So, should I add a thank-you note or what? Merci! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 14:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And thank you too for your kind words! Happy All Saint's Day! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 17:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Drake & Josh characters
Perhaps it needs some special code to deal with Category:CfD 2006-10 and Category:Categories for speedy renaming. I guess you could make a blacklist of cats never to be included in the output. -- ProveIt (talk) 01:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing it out (and sorting it out). It's a hang-over from before cfd categories were subst:ed.  The problem was it ran through the parent category (and moved this category's CFD categories out of the subst:ed template in the process) before it ran through this one.  I'll get onto it.  --RobertG &#9836; talk 21:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Operation Magic Carpet
From WP:DAB: a code of honor for creating disambiguation pages is to fix all resulting mis-directed links. If you make Operation Magic Carpet a primary topic article about the WWII operation instead of a straight DAB page, you'll have a lot less changes to make. Either way, here's verification of the play you removed http://members.aol.com/amberlanepress/clark_brian.htm --J Clear 01:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Quite right, good idea, thanks. If you think the play is notable, by all means put it back.  --RobertG &#9836; talk 09:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know if the play is notable, I think I discovered it and the Yemen op while trying a while back to google for material to write on the WWII op. Got so tied up reading the page I put in as an ext link, that I ran out of time and never got back to it.  May put it in as a link to the playwrite's article, if there is one, as it may never be notable enough for an article on its own.--J Clear 01:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Britten article
Hi there: Would you please take a glance at the latest edit to the Britten article, and then my comment on the talk page? What say you to my point? Thanks! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Visiting the UK
P.S.: We are likely going to be in Durham and environs for a couple of weeks in July, for a conference my wife is attending. I'd be glad for any thoughts on what to look for (and look out for); we have never been to that part of the country but are very excited, and I'm afraid we may bite off more than we can chew as far as sight-seeing goes. There are day-trips built into the conference to the Western Isles and a couple of other places (incl. Edinburgh, I believe), for example, but since those are all "scripted" by the conference folks I don't worry so much about them. But I am a long-time Swallows & Amazons fan and hope to take my family to Coniston to see that area...but am not certain of how easy it will be to get there from Durham, or of how crowded it might be at that time of year. Etc. We are obviously a long way away from the departure but I figure it never hurts to think ahead a little. Hoping to stay in touch on this. Merci! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Redirect-fodder for RobotG
I've left a comment at your toolserver request (I mention this in case your check meta: about as often as I do, i.e., not very). In short, I think the toolserver will be very little use until such time as they get replication of this database up and running, but in the meantime, you may be able to work with the database dump, or I'd be willing to help do so on your behalf. Alai 22:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The dumps are freely accessible at http://download.wikipedia.org. I haven't seen much of an explanation or an entity model, but the definitions of the tables needed for this are:

CREATE TABLE `page` (  `page_id` int(8) unsigned NOT NULL auto_increment,   `page_namespace` int(11) NOT NULL default '0',   `page_title` varchar(255) binary NOT NULL default ,   `page_restrictions` tinyblob NOT NULL,   `page_counter` bigint(20) unsigned NOT NULL default '0',   `page_is_redirect` tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default '0',   `page_is_new` tinyint(1) unsigned NOT NULL default '0',   `page_random` double unsigned NOT NULL default '0',   `page_touched` varchar(14) binary NOT NULL default ,   `page_latest` int(8) unsigned NOT NULL default '0',   `page_len` int(8) unsigned NOT NULL default '0',   PRIMARY KEY  (`page_id`),   UNIQUE KEY `name_title` (`page_namespace`,`page_title`),   KEY `page_random` (`page_random`),   KEY `page_len` (`page_len`)); and: CREATE TABLE `categorylinks` (  `cl_from` int(8) unsigned NOT NULL default '0',   `cl_to` varchar(255) binary NOT NULL default ,   `cl_sortkey` varchar(86) binary NOT NULL default ,   `cl_timestamp` timestamp(14) NOT NULL,   UNIQUE KEY `cl_from` (`cl_from`,`cl_to`),   KEY `cl_sortkey` (`cl_to`,`cl_sortkey`),   KEY `cl_timestamp` (`cl_to`,`cl_timestamp`));

Let me know what else I can let you know.

The queries I've run are, firstly for the #-style redirects:

mysql WP3110 --batch -e "create table redirectcat (title varchar(255)); \ insert redirectcat select page_title from page where page_namespace=14 and page_is_redirect=1; \  select * from redirectcat" | tail +2 | awk '{print "*"}' | tr '_' ' ' > redirectcat

output: redirectcat

The current (as of 31st October...) article contents thereof:

mysql WP3110 --batch -e "create table redirect_art_cat (art varchar(255), cat varchar(255)); \ insert redirect_art_cat select page_title, title from page, redirectcat, categorylinks where page_id=cl_from and title=cl_to; \  select * from redirect_art_cat" | tail +2 | awk '{print "*" $1 "", ""}' | tr '_' ' ' > redirect_art_cat

output: redirect_art_cat

I've just noticed that some of the #redirects from categories are cross-namespace, which is a little boggling.

Lastly, the article contents of the categories in WP cat redirects (which seem to have been fixed, already):

mysql WP3110 --batch -e "create table redirect_WCD_arts (art_id int(8), cat varchar(255)); \  insert redirect_WCD_arts select cl.cl_from, page_title from page as c, categorylinks as wcd, categorylinks as cl  \    where cl.cl_to=page_title and c.page_namespace=14 and c.page_id=wcd.cl_from and wcd.cl_to='Wikipedia_category_redirects';  \  select page_title, cat from redirect_WCD_arts, page where page_namespace=0 and art_id=page_id"  \ | tail +2 | awk '{print "*" $1 "", ""}' | tr '_' ' ' > redirect_WCD_arts

output: redirect_WCD_arts

I can rerun these fairly readily after each dump, since I'm already building the page and categorylinks tables for other purposes anyway.

The category redlinks should be fairly easy to obtain too, I'll write and run that a bit later. (That seems much harder to fix automatically though, isn't it?) Alai 18:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Here we are: User:Alai/catredlinks.  Obviously being now ten days old, some of them have been bluelinked by now, and some may have been emptied...  Alai 01:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

You're very welcome. No, I'm just working with the two "current versions" table I mentioned above (and pagelinks, this time, but not regularly so). Specifically that's http://download.wikipedia.org/enwiki/20061031/enwiki-20061031-page.sql.gz and http://download.wikipedia.org/enwiki/20061031/enwiki-20061031-categorylinks.sql.gz. Let me just check I understand the requested tweak correctly: you want the categories on User:Alai/redirect_art_cat, but without the duplication of categories, and the articles?

The cross-namespace redirects do seem pretty broken, so you it might be OK just to remove them. In some cases it might be better to add a link to a "see also" section, in others there may be a related category to "repair" it too. In an ideal world, other editors would get the hint and do that themselves if the bot removes them, but I wouldn't be shocked if some low-level grumble about it.

The "WCD" list is obviously redundant if your 'bot is going to scan all of those categories anyway; I thought you were considering modifying it to use only those with 'signs of habitation'. Tradeoff between extra (bot) work, and extra 'lag' in picking up errors, I suppose. Alai 18:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

ip address blocked
robertg a couple of days ago you blocked wikipedia to a certain ip address for 'persistant vandalism' i would just like to say that the ip was that of a secondary school and that a couple of year 7s found it funny to post certain 'corrections' as they have been dealt with, i would with all due respect, to unblock this ip address. Kind Regards Jamsterlavery —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jamsterlavery (talk • contribs) 9 November 2006.

Thanks and...
LOL, remember that time you thought I vandalised my userpage? And then someone actually vandalised your userpage with similar content, and it struck me as funny? Mak (talk)  00:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

MariahPicture
Robert, as the other editors and I have been discussing, i am not in violation with copyright, read our discussion please. Fair use images ARE aloud to be used. AND PLEASE, do not make an assumption as to whether or not I am waisting my time, and others. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violinist1 (talk • contribs) 11 November 2006.
 * It wasn't an assumption, it was an observation. A fair use image must actually be used under the terms of fair use: it is not good enough merely to assert that the use is fair: to do so does waste time.  I saw that this image had been removed before, and that you had simply replaced it again in spite of a big comment explaining that fair use images were not likely to be available.  I did not realise that you had not had this explained to you; this was a mistake, and I apologise.  --RobertG &#9836; talk 14:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

vandalism-like page move
Hi

Thanks for the "ancient" mop and bucket job. Could you please help with this new one?: Some normal user "reverted" i.e. circumvented the following admin page move http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Finlandswedes&diff=84847660&oldid=84803373 --Espoo 06:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I had a brief look, and it appears the article is now at Swedish-speaking Finns and has not sustained any obvious collateral damage: I can't see that anything needs doing. Am I overlooking something?  --RobertG &#9836; talk 15:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was fixed again by the same admin; for some strange reason the change didn't appear on my watchlist although the page is on my watchlist, which is why i didn't realise my request for your help was unnecessary. It seems the watchlist doesn't always show page moves? --Espoo 20:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Article name change
Hi Robert! just to ensure I get this right I thought it best to check with you. I have just noticed that the Milnsbridge article has been incorrectly titled, It is a small village close to me and links from the Huddersfield article, the correct spelling is Milnesbridge. Would this be better followed up as a page name change request, or in view as Milnsbridge (without the 'e') is the local pronunciation and assumed spelling, would it be better as a redirect. That way anyone spelling it incorrectly would be taken to the correct page. I could then follow up and correct the links as required. Richard Harvey 20:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well! I Think a can of worms may open here :). I used to live, briefly, on Dowker Street, opposite a company called Taylor Valves. Their website shows them to be in Milnesbridge, as do several others in Google.  I just went into the local council website and used their visitor car parking search facility.  Visitor info Parking the dropdown box in the search shows Milnesbridge.  Yet elsewhere their own website also refers to both spellings on the main search facility. I have an old Kirklees street map which shows Milnsbridge plus another which has Milnesbridge. ???  I will follow this up locally before doing anything further on here. Thanks; I think? :) Richard Harvey 10:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Donald Bradman
What did you mean by "Hussey makes statement as previously cast currently untrue" in your edit summary? Ans e ll 10:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Bradman average
While I take your point about duplicating the lists, Hussey's achievement is not yet relevant to the Bradman text, as it specifies batsmen whose careers have ended. --Dweller 11:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hussey's average appears in the lead of the Bradman article. I suppose we'll now have to edit the lead every time Australia plays a Test ! Tintin (talk) 12:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Let's hope England get him out cheaply a few times! --RobertG &#9836; talk 12:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

American Civil War categories
While I applaud and agree with the decision to replace all "State in the Civil War" categories with "State in the American Civil War," (the right decision), this should have been run by the WP:ACW, who monitors Civil War articles and created them using the original format. Nice work and again, the right thing to do, but please keep us in the loop so that we do not continually write new articles using the older cats (as I did this morning). Thanks!! Scott Mingus 16:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * RobertG, the bot missed Vermont and Virginia. Please run it for these two states as well to be consistent. Thanks on behalf of the ACW task force. Scott Mingus 19:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Celebrity gamers ... it's baaaack!
You closed the CfD for this back on 2006-11-02, and now it's back and being repopulated ... see history of Asia Carrera. &mdash; 23:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

my subpage
Dear RobertG, thanks for your edit in my subpage.Sorry for inconvinience. It is a work,just to make list of categories which include Turkey/turkish related articles, to insert some templates them by using bot. Thanks again. regards. Must TC 05:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Your imput, puh-leeze
I have started a discussion here about a comment that you added to WP:PROD. I would greatly value your imput on my take on the situation. Cheers.  young  american (ahoy hoy) 17:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. My main concern is that Wikipedia is going to grow faster than the number of committed users and non-burnt out admins can handle. Think about how many great users and admins have given up the ghost due to wikistress and whatnot. Regardless, thanks for your prompt reply. Cheers.  young  american  (ahoy hoy) 18:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Over-agressive bot
When this bot made the edit Bot: Removing Category:Unemotional fictional characters per CFD, see Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 23 -- 08:49, December 1, 2006 It looks like it got just a little too agressive. In addition to the change described, it also moved a bunch of categories down. Until I scroll down (using the diff tool in popups)), I thought the bot had deleted all categories and was considering reverting the change. (That is another feature of popups. Reverts are just one click away.) -Will Pittenger 22:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for assistance
User:Mike Selinker asked if I would see if I could find a bot owner willing to help with a "blizzard" of recently closed nominations at WP:UCFD. I've seen you fairly active at WP:CFD, so I thought I would ask : ) - jc37 08:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm really sorry, but my bot uses the pywikipedia framework, which tends to group categories together at the bottom of the article, and I have found Wikipedians get very tetchy indeed if this happens! I stick to the article and image namespaces.  Sorry I can't oblige.  Try one of the other bots at the top of Categories for discussion/Working?  Someone with the dot net framework version 2 installed (I haven't) could probably do it all with the auto Wiki browser.  --RobertG &#9836; talk 17:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll pick one at random and ask : )
 * Also, I was going through the older CfD pages, and there are quite a few closed discussions at least as far back as Nov. 12th that haven't been "completed". If you have time to check into those : )
 * Anyway, thanks for the quick response, and I hope you're having a great day : ) - jc37 17:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Footballers who died before retiring
"Category:Footballers who died before retiring"

I see that it has been decided that the existing category Category:Footballers who died tragically young should be deleted or renamed as above. At present the existing category is still "live". Can I simply move this or do I need to start from scratch? Either way, can you leave the existing category live for a day or two to give me time to deal with it - I will send you a note when it is done.

Various other names were suggested e.g. "Category:Footballers who died during their playing careers" or "Category:Footballers who died while active". I must admit that I prefer the first of these but I'm happy to go alnog with whatever you suggest. Daemonic Kangaroo 17:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Questions from Thugchildz (talk • contribs)
I don't get why any body gets to edit the Cricket article and only users get to edit the baseball article? there's edits like "it is super gay" on there and still it can be edited by anyone? Why is the baseball article have different standerds? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thugchildz (talk • contribs).

I think "it is super gay" is vandalism. Isn't it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thugchildz (talk • contribs).

I had mini poster with the picture which i scaned. so i dont think self made tag is the one. So can you tell me the tag that would go with that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thugchildz (talk • contribs).

ah that person was me on tripod, so can we please get on with it ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thugchildz (talk • contribs).

Crocker (sport) ?
I suspect this article is bogus. It's hard to find out much about it. It could be a cross between cricket and soccer. Whether it has actually ever been played, or is merely a product of someone's fantasy, is hard to determine. Also, congrats on weeding entries by that User:Thugchildz, who is evidently a cricket fancier and has been messing with everything he can find that vaguely has anything to do with cricket. Wahkeenah 09:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. I had also run across this so there does seem to be some evidence for its existence. The question is, how many impromptu schoolyard games merit attention here? Although the lack of much information about early baseball and cricket suggests they were given the same non-attention by chroniclers as we are suggesting giving to "crocker". d:) Wahkeenah 09:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Bold category action!
Thank you for dealing with the American and National League All-Stars categories at WP:CFD. That debate sat for two weeks. Unfortunately, your actions may knock Hank Aaron out of the Wikipedia record books :) . Dr. Submillimeter 13:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * FYI, you might want to check what I had to do here. Apologies if fixing the duplicate categories was next on the bot's list and I just jumped the gun!  :)  —Wknight94 (talk) 16:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Roman Catholic crime families
The Five Families. Does this change your vote? TonyTheTiger 16:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually after further review, I side with you. TonyTheTiger 17:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

baseball all-star categories
Can you please stop the bot and reconsider? This is a very bad decision and didn't get appropriate consideration... the all-star categories by year were very useful. All of the baseball editors except Wknight in the CFD voted to keep, the categorization people were the only ones voting to merge. Also your bot is screwing up with people who went to many all-star games, e.g. so if nothing else that needs to be fixed. --W.marsh 16:45, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * On second thought I guess I can live with it... it's just frustrating how many pages you have to watch like a hawk to have any idea a big change is being considered. At any rate, can you modify the bot so it isn't leaving dozens of the same category in many baseball articles? Thanks. --W.marsh 16:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I just meant that baseball article editors might have some perspective on baseball articles that people who don't really know or care about baseball have... after all the articles aren't being read by categorization enthusiasts, they're being read by baseball fans. Your bot is leaving potentially dozens of copies of the same category in articles... even with AWB that should be easilly enough fixed using Regex. But if the only reply you have is one as snooty as the last one, please don't bother. --W.marsh 17:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, semantics. By "screwing up" I didn't exactly mean "ruining", just uh, "producing a less than perfect result", as in, leaving a bunch of copies of the same category around. --W.marsh 17:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I came across wrong too, I just felt it was urgent because the bot was running and reversing such a thing could be very tedius. Anyway I'll see if I can put together an AWB script to do it myself... shouldn't be that hard. --W.marsh 17:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I think AWB removes duplicate categories automatically, doesn't it? I don't think it requires a regex. In fact, I once asked someone why they had removed a category from Lee Smith (baseball) and it turned out AWB had done it without his even realizing (while I didn't realize it was a duplicate to begin with). —Wknight94 (talk) 17:45, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Crime families vs Criminal families
Thanks for your previous participation at Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_December_8. I would appreciate your comments on the latest conversation. TonyTheTiger 21:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Historic Landmark Categories
Could you tell me what's going on with the elimination of supposed duplication of categories for historic landmarks? It's a bit confusing. I find that the pages to which these two category links lead are quite different. Just as one example, "Category:Registered Historic Places in Georgia (US state)" contains 35 pages, while the Georgia section of the List of National Historic Landmarks by state (which contains the Georgia portion of the large category "Category:National Historic Landmarks of the United States") contains only 8 pages. The reason for this discrepancy is apparently the fact that (as it says on the National Historic Landmarks category page) "All NHLs are also listed on the National Register of Historic Places, but not all Register properties are NHLs." It looks to me as though Wikipedia has made the decision to eliminate a supposed duplicate category which is not in fact a duplicate at all, but a larger set. I first noticed this on the Fox Theatre (Atlanta) page, from which your robot recently removed the link to Registered Historic Places in Georgia, which is the larger category at the state level. If one or the other is to be eliminated, it ought to be the smaller one, though I don't think either of them can be removed without damaging the usefulness of the site. Whyaduck 06:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. I see what's going on now. Something is still confusing me about the "by state" page that links from the main list of "Category:National Historic Landmarks of the United States", though. In the main list, one of the first things you see is the link to the article on the Ahwahnee Hotel in California, but there is no mention of the Ahwahnee in the California section of the "by state" list. It turns out that lots of things on the main list aren't on the "by state" list. It seems as though the "by state" page would get the same content as the national list, and any article added to the category would automatically end up on both lists. Isn't there any way to get that to happen? Sometimes its useful to have a list by state rather than a national alphabetical list, but that's not really available if the lists don't have the same content. Whyaduck 13:52, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Flight Instructor
Flight Instructor is an official government title, and should be capitalized like Professional Engineer. See that article for further info. Please revert your changes. Dhaluza 13:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit summary on Trombone
I think he meant Baritone horn, rather than either of your options... :-) David Underdown 09:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks on JA deletion
Robert thanks for the robot change of "Jewish-American businessman" to "American Businessman" in several pages. DEddy 16:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Jewish American businesspeople
aaaaah!!! The robot is doing the wrong thing! - crz crztalk 18:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OMG what have i done!!!!!!.......... I just reverted the bot about 150 times... wrong CFD! - crz crztalk 19:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK nevermind. I reverted myself entirely. Ignore me. I need sleep. - crz crztalk 19:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Jewish American businesspeople on deletion review
An editor has asked for a deletion review of [[:Category:Jewish American businesspeople]]. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs).

Damminix AfD
I saw you were involved in the MiteArrest AfD process, I've nominated a similar article for a similar product with a similar style. So far it's just me and one other involved in the discussion, thought you might like to take a look. Oasisbob 03:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

New day transclude for WP:CFD
Hi there ... for the past few months I've been doing the new day transclude at WP:CFD. This isn't a big deal, since midnight UTC happens around 4pm my time. However, as of tomorrow morning I'm leaving on a trip for a couple of weeks, expect to be back on the 30th. I'll probably still be around from time to time, they have the internet, even in Denver ... but I don't think I'll be able to do the new date thing again until I return. And I thought I'd let a few people know in advance, so people aren't waiting around for me to do it, or wondering why I stopped. -- ProveIt (talk) 00:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Accusation
Deleting a category in direct violation of the category guideline can either be interpreted as bad faith, ignoring of the consensus on how categories are treated, Soapboxing or general ignorance of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. As you are an admin, I saw it fit to rule out the likelihood of the first and last possibilities, as I assume good faith, expect it in return and generally expect an admin to be competent and knowledgable about how the Wiki community works if they were able to survive an RFA.

That leaves two possibilities, the two being interlinked. Soapboxing is the reason for circumventing consensus using admin authority. Soapboxing is, in this case, soapboxing for a particular view of how Wikipedia should function. User:ProveIt has a history of nominating ethnicity and nationality categories for deletion on the belief that articles on people should not be categorized by the ethnicity of the person in question. While a valid view, it is nonetheless true that such nominations violate consensus on how articles should be categorized and this is also demonstrated on the deletion review for the cat.

By closing debate on such a soapboxing CFD, you naturally become complicit in it, regardless of your personal views on the matter. If I were to advise you on how to deal with AFDs, I'd say review the history of the nominating user first, review what consensus is on the matter and consider informing the relevant Wikiprojects (if any) of the deletion nom before closing debate. This CFD was handled poorly, and I have reason to believe that the CFD itself is just a classic case of disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point. Kari Hazzard ( T  |  C ) 14:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. I cannot find that the consensus Karimarie cites is relevant to the debate in hand, and I therefore think she has made a mistake.  She appears to be invoking the the Wikipedian debater's irregular verb: I am editing in agreement with consensus, you are soapboxing for a position with which I disagree, s/he is disrupting Wikipedia to make a point.
 * On the grounds that I am not infallible, my normal practice in the face of personal criticism is to withdraw on the grounds that least said, soonest mended. However, in this case I feel to do so would be to allow Karimarie to carry her point by playing the man and not the ball.  --RobertG &#9836; talk 10:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Update: I relisted the category, and its deletion received a resounding endorsement. --RobertG &#9836; talk 13:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

self-reference etc.
Oops. Forgot. Fear not, I'll have everything cleaned up pretty soon. :-) --Ling.Nut 17:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Apology
Sorry if I came across as harsh in the category for deletion debate. That wasn't my intention, but sometimes when I am in a debate the sparks fly. If you do a perfect job as an administration person, no one thanks you. Make one, even slightly controversial move, and everyone has an opinion against you. Enjoy the holiday. We can either add them back as two separate categories, or as they were originally, so long as they get to retain their ethnic identity. Cheers. Don't eat the fruitcake, I haven't a clue what's in it, even after reading the Wikipedia entry. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 04:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Dean of York
You seem to have contributed to York Minster and I was wondering if you could help with the list here. Neddyseagoon - talk 15:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)