User talk:RobertGustafson

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Welcome to Wikipedia! If you have any questions about how it all works or anything please feel free to ask me. I just have a few things I wanted to say to you. Keep up the good work and let me know if you don't understand what I said. Spidey 104  21:50, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Your edit made me want to point out that Spider-Man is the proper article title and "Spider-Man (comics)" is just a redirect to that page.
 * 2) Do you know how the "Show preview" button works? Your extensive number of edits repeatedly on the same section shows that you may not, and it is helpful to everyone else editing if edits are done in as few as possible.

May 2011
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August 2011
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October 2011
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Please do not add or change content without verifying it by citing reliable sources, as you did to 2112 (song). Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 04:20, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did at 2112 (song), you may be blocked from editing.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 05:17, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Please stop
Please stop re-adding comments that I have removed from my talk page, especially since you are merely copy and pasting from something written on an article talk page. It can be construed as a form of WP:HARASS.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 06:18, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

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You are among the top 5% of most active Wikipedians this past month! 66.87.7.126 (talk) 23:29, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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article on Chicago
I see you worked on the Chicago (band) article and wanted to give you a heads up. I edited out unsubstantiated material which may have been true but had no sources listed. I am a Chicago fan as I suspect you are, but the article should reflect Wiki policy on sourcing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wemonk (talk • contribs) 18:10, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Tommy can you hear me?
No welcome, no B.S., just outside tips which have worked. We’ve been there and done that, check our “contribs” to see how bad it can look. Or disregard completely, no expert opinions here.

In order to keep small edits down, some hit edit, copy the section, then paste it into Word or whatever. When it looks better, paste it back into “edit”, and use “preview” to see what it looks like. If minor work, change it in edit, if major, copy and paste into Word again. If it’s not going well, hitting “cancel” next to preview, or just closing the window, leaves the article as it was. Just remember to copy the last version before you do. No pressure on you, just try again later. And you still have it in Word, where nobody can see your screw-ups. Just don’t hit “save” until you’re happy.

Do not edit one section, edit the whole article. That way, when you “preview” you can see what the references look like, they are where some have the most trouble. One extra space can really screw you up, be especially careful where lines break. And by doing the whole article, you can copy something good somewhere else in the article, and paste it into your stuff.

Side note, are you aware that Pete has just released an autobiography named “Who I Am”? Just arrived here. Appears revisionist and self-serving, all autobiographies probably are. Who can be really objective in first person?

For what it’s worth, good luck. Sammy D III (talk) 21:06, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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May 2020
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My "disruptive editing" is simply my attempt to portray the DVD and its liner notes accurately.
The package that I purchased does contain the errors that I previously mentioned. Maybe your version doesn't, maybe you're wary of offending the people who produced the DVD and its liner notes. But it's true. I know the rule "verifibility, not truth", and it's not easy to "prove" that 1 set of liner notes is flawed, but leaving out important facts can be misleading. What if a customer has a package with the same liner notes and takes them at face value before watching the "real narrative" of the film itself? This is important, given the uncanny faithfulness of the film to the book, and many people would want such a film. They might not see it if they mistakenly believed it wasn't that "accurate". Besides, the "3 big rules" of article narrative are said in Wiki's how-to instructions to be "guidelines", not absolutes. It's reasonable to make exceptions in exceptional cases. Anyway, I prefer that you debate this with me before doing a reflexive revert. Also, simply reverting an edit instead of manually editing the edit takes out the good with the bad. Even if flawed liner notes aren't worth mentioning, the disclaimer that no animals were actually harmed IS! (Maybe it should be in a different section, but once again, that's a reason to edit, not revert; you can move the disclaimer to another place.)

If you feel compelled to argue the point, PLEASE RESPOND on the article's talk page.RobertGustafson (talk)

PS. I take Wiki's rules very seriously. I wouldn't do something that others would find questionable unless I disagreed and thought it mattered.

My assertions about the DVD and the liner notes are BOTH now sourced. Isn't a enough? Must I get other sources to agree?
I have added the proper references to my statements about the DVD and the liner notes. Any person can now view the film and read the notes to "verify" my assertion. I'm a little rusty on documenting sources, but I've now included my sources--which you'd see if only you look. BTW, it's not OR to say something that is blatantly and inescapably deducible from one's sources. There's a difference between deductive inference and speculation. If source X says A and source Y says B, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the sources disagree.

Instead of asserting a "difference" between DVD and liner notes, I compare and contrast
That should pass the smell test, as both sources are reference. The readers are left to infer for themselves that there's a difference.RobertGustafson (talk) 14:07, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at The Call of the Wild: Dog of the Yukon, you may be blocked from editing. ''There is clearly no consensus in favour of including the liner note comments. You have already been asked repeatedly to discuss on the talk page and try to establish a consensus. That involves taking a few days to wait for responses from other editors. It also involves respecting the fact that there is no consensus in favour of including the text. bonadea'' contributions talk 14:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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I have taken things up with Conflict Resolution
I have referred this issue to the No Original Research Noticeboard (see "I try to compare and contrast DVD/liner note narratives" for my side of the story); please redirect your complaint thereto.RobertGustafson (talk) 15:34, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Courtesy link: See here
 * Robert: I have added my opinion that you have, indeed, been trying to insert trivial and WP:OR into The Call of the Wild: Dog of the Yukon, and should not do so again. The consensus (at least, at the time of me posting this) is that three very experienced editors say you are trying to insert WP:OR, and should stop, versus just you wanting to continue adding it in. Assuming that this consensus doesn't alter, any further attempt by you to do so would be seen as disruptive. So do please be prepared to DROPTHESTICK. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:16, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, Robert, and I will just add a few bits of minor guidance-cum-advice. Do please remember to sign every one of your posts to talk pages; do learn to provide 'Diffs' (see WP:DIFF); don't keep creating multiple topics on the same subject - I count 14 now across multiple pages; and do listen to the consensus, rather than doggedly pursuing your agenda to the extreme. All the best, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It is only OR when one explicitly makes a conclusion, assertion, or inference--merely implying 1 through a strategic (albeit fair and accurate) presentation of source material isn't OR. (What an article says, not the "intent" of the presentation, matters.) I agree that the liner-note info and the disclaimer may suggest a non-existent controversy, so I've decided not to re-insert. Nevertheless, only my original edits constituted OR; once all explicit assertion are removed in favor of cited evidence, OR disappears! I've also received advice that using quotes for ironic, "so-called" phrases (like this), while common in literature,is frowned on here. The "Plot" section contains no "scare quotes"--everything is a direct quotation, even if a very short one--and the "Cast" section includes only 1 such use--in order to show that the "live animal 'actors'" are live animals, not human actors or CGI creations, as in the latest movie. Also, most of the times when I fail to "sign" are just hurried oversights. I always mean to sign.RobertGustafson (talk) 11:32, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

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 * I don't remember providing a link for "Buck". Must have been a typo.RobertGustafson (talk) 06:12, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Error corrected now.RobertGustafson (talk) 06:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)