User talk:RobertMfromLI/Archives/2010/September

Reversal of edits to Sakshat
Hi.. you just reversed my edits to Sakshat ... Please refer the video - http://www.ndtv.com/news/videos/video_player.php?id=157534 NDTV is a well known and respected Indian television channel and the Gadget Guru edition in the link shows the working prototype of Sakshat. It also shows it running the Android OS, playing video and the man featured is the HRD minister of India, Kapil Sibal who launched the device earlier. Please reconsider the report of "vandalism" - thats not true. Thanks...

Also - the citation I removed was that the device used Linux, when in fact it is Android - I just used the video reference because it was the more recent report - and we can see it running Android. The older citation is incorrect. (even though it is from a credible source - the known information has changed...)


 * Responses left on user's talk page; consisting of my apologies with me personally reverting back to his revision. Information added took a lot of digging to come up with due to the change (from Linux to AndroidOS) was just announced: this made the original edit look like adding incorrect information (since all easily findable articles stated Linux). RobertMfromLI

re. Daenumen
Thank you for taking the lead on this; my work schedule has not allowed me to be as involved as I would like. TechBear &#124; Talk &#124; Contributions 14:56, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Any time. :-) RobertMfromLI | User Talk 15:15, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Re:Barnstar
I really appreciate the it. Thank you very much!! Cheers,  F ASTILY  (T ALK ) 06:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Friendly still? Talkpage edits?
I am not an admin, so I can't remove access to anything (forward your question to me to User:Xeno or another admin online for their view), but I think Friendly access should be updated to give the newbie getting the Friendly note a link to the Village Pump or the Helpdesk instead of Inka's talk page until Inka has some more experience. Inka's access to TWINKLE has been blacklisted, but somehow Inka has gotten around that (possibly a cache issue), so that definitely should be stopped as some of the TWINKLE warnings are not completely correct as previously stated at ANI. I would watch the user's edits to make sure nothing else comes up, but don't follow too close, so you aren't accused of stalking. I honestly believe that Inka, with a mentor, could become a good and valuable user, but they have shot down all suggestions of mentors. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 03:57, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's the worry, that "do what he sees fit". Since he is a newbie (though he claims he isn't), I and others feel that he doesn't know the ropes yet to know what to do in certain situations.  It is really out of my hands.  I tried to help, but was kinda "turned on" when I supported Fastily's decline of Inka's Rollbackers request and then tonight taken to ANI for warning Inka to stop harrassing Fastily about Rollbackers access.  Sadly, I see this, in the not to distant future, spinning out of control for Inka and a block for him if he doesn't learn the ropes soon. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 04:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Status: Online
Sure, no problem on the questions, always glad to help. You can find the Status application at Template:Statustop. There are instructions there. A note though, when you do add the program to your account (which can be removed at anytime), you will need to refresh your cache. Information on how to do that (per browser) can be found at WP:BYC. If you have any other questions, my talk page is always open. :) -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 04:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Happy belated birthday
Just read your userpage -- sorry I missed it. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 04:26, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Much thanks SoV!!! Coincidentally, the family and I celebrated it today (first day since that all of us had off at the same time), so, your timing is perfect! :-) Best, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 04:32, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
How is this vandalism? Jmlk 1  7  04:47, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Long involved story where user has been advised to stick to editing articles as opposed to (as editor originally had on their talk page) doing "sysop like stuff" which involved multiple ANIs, various of us trying to clean up improper usage of TW, editor being blocked from using TW and so on. I had already left a note on Xeno's page (since he was involved in at least one of the ANIs) regarding this so he could review it and decide if it was appropriate, if action/discussion needed to be taken with Inka, or if action/discussion needed to be taken with me.
 * Side note: I did not leave a warning via a warning template on the editor's page - just a question asking why they revised it (based on the fact that they cannot even use TW properly and have no way of knowing what vandalism level the template should be at). Anyway, in closing, due to previous conversations about what the editor should constrain themselves to doing (and the editor ignoring that), I felt it was appropriate. If you think it was not, please let me know (and accept my apologies). Best, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 04:55, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow. I can totally see what you're talking about now; I probably would have done the same.  My apologies; I just saw it on my watchlist and was curious.  Thanks!  Jmlk  1  7  04:59, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * ANY time (and no apologies needed). If I've done wrong, I always want to know. If I've done right, it's always nice to know that my interpretation of things was correct. So, always open to anyone asking why I did anything. Thanks again (and thanks, for (as always) being polite in your question and response). Best, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 05:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

2 questions
1.Where do the experienced vandal fighters go to fight vandalism?

2.How do you revert without twinkle, (do it manually)? Regards,-- Inka 888 22:06, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Inka, thanks for asking.


 * 1 - it depends on the person's preferences and/or experience. Many use Huggle, but many also use Twinkle. If you look at recent changes, you will see that on some of the vandal reverts it may say (HG) or (TW) in the edit summary. More often, those notes are added to the editor's warning summary (which shows up in recent changes as well if no filter is enabled). There are other tools besides HG and TW, but they require rollback right. Personally, though I use Huggle from time to time, I prefer Twinkle. I've got a LOT of experience fighting vandalism, but I DONT have much experience here - probably only 1200 reverts of clear vandalism.


 * 2 - reverting without twinkle is somewhat difficult. It will really depend on the circumstances and it definitely requires looking at the diffs carefully and in detail. The diffs have a + or - next to each section showing if text was added or subtracted, but that's not always indicative of what fully went on (if someone changes a section and inserts more text into it, then the diff might show two additions and one subtraction. One of those additions will actually NOT be an addition, but the same text being placed someplace else). Then, if it's something small (someone inserted a bunch of junk characters on a line, or changed a word), I can either manually fix it, or undo it (I dont know if you have access to that though). If it's a big one, for instance page blanking (and one cant undo or revert it) one can open the earlier version and the newer version and copy & paste the proper text from the earlier version into the newer one. Tedious.


 * The remaining problem here is issuing a warning when one does not have Twinkle. That requires very very good knowledge of the warning templates, which is why I asked you all those questions on your talk page, for instance, what uw-ics1 is. Even with a list of all the warning templates, one still has to know how to use them. Like we already talked about, it is very very important to make sure the article vandalized is indicated - both for the editor who made the mistake/vandalism, as well as for other editors or admins so they can easily find what the editor did (they can check the user's contributions, but if the user's got a lot of mixed contributions, (a bunch good and a bunch bad), it makes it very time consuming. It also leaves the editor with grounds for appealing a block. Let's say the editor gets 4 warnings with no page mentions, but has also edited a bunch of other articles (good, bad or otherwise)... "I saw the warnings, but I had no idea what I was doing wrong... I got 4 warnings on 20 edits, so I figured I was doing everything ok now"


 * Anyway, hope that helps, and feel free to ask me anything that comes to mind. You can always be assured that if I dont know the answer, I'll gladly find it for you or find someone who I am sure knows the correct answer. I'm very big on teamwork, and one thing I do know is that no matter how long I (or probably anyone else) is here, there's always things to learn - so it's nice when there's other people to ask. :-) Best, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 00:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank's, I was wondering if there was another spot were users watch for vandalism besides Recent changes, and i was also wondering how to revert without using an anti vandalism tool such as twinkle? -- Inka 888 01:35, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Homophobia
The "some people" is directly from the article, and as such you may want to edit that, however the some people is referring to people such as those who created that study - obviously they thought that was the case hence the need for conducting such a study. The lead should be a summary of the page and this section is within the page. Additionally, generally on wikipedia the norm is no reverting without discussion, rather than discussion before editing -Javsav (talk) 14:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Javsav, I am not disputing the edit itself. Rather, the wording (and yes, perhaps the rest of the article can also use some work), and more specifically, as noted on the article's talk page it states: "The subject of this article is controversial and content may be in dispute. Please discuss substantial changes here before making them, supplying full citations when adding information, and consider tagging or removing uncited/unciteable information."


 * ...which I am sure you probably missed, since it's on the talk page. Hence, the note on your talk page. So, again, the edit itself, if worded appropriately, isn't so much the issue. The article being contentious, and flagged (though on the Talk Page) for discussion before addition is. So... let's talk about it on the article's talk page and work for a consensus for inclusion. Best, RobertMfromLI User Talk/Contribs 15:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Happy RobertMfromLI's Day!
For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, click here. Have a Great Day... Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 04:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you Neutralhomer!!! Much appreciated, and thanks for the help you've given me over the last couple weeks! Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CONTRIBS 04:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You're quite Welcome! :) Always there to help.  Keep up the Great Work! :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 13:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice going, Robert. :-)--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks SoV!  R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 15:16, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the kind notice Robert, I appreciate it!--Peter Griffin  &bull; Talk2Me   05:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I think we'll be okay, considering you need 4 revert I believe :)--Peter Griffin  &bull; Talk2Me   05:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * lol. Same by me! Good night Robert, thanks again :)--Peter Griffin  &bull; Talk2Me   05:42, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Iron Maiden
How do i get the information regarding my fathers instrument sale to steve harris and his consequent guitar painting fact to be confirmed or cited so it can go into the iron maiden page? or even steve harris' page? my email ...@hotmail.com you can find me on facebook through the email address. many thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.150.129 (talk) 17:23, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've added some helpful links to the userpage located at User_talk:90.197.150.129 for you. A few of the most important are WP:RS and WP:COI and WP:NPOV and WP:BLP and WP:OR, though I suggest you read up on others as well. Also, I suggest that perhaps you register an account, which will make communications on Wikipedia based stuff easier. I will send you an email, but it will only be to let you know I have responded to you here - I prefer talking about mine and other's actions here only on Wikipedia itself for transparency reasons so the whole community can review and help out. I've also removed most of your email address from this page to prevent spam bots from harvesting it. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 18:09, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

U.S. English is not preferred!
The manual of style says ''The English Wikipedia does not prefer any major national variety of the language. Within the English Wikipedia no variety is considered more correct than another''. Saros136 (talk) 21:04, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Except for two points, unless I am misinterpreting this: (1) the article was a mish-mash of both, (see WP:MOS right below the section you indicated), and (2) the term used in US English is "check card" (such as "The Visa Check Card") which is a term somewhat akin to a name. I'd presume that, though "check card" is not a proper name, that wording guidelines may still be similar to if it were, especially considering "Visa Check Card" is a proper name? Your thoughts? Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Either way, I dont care too much which version is used (if consistent), but I thought the inconsistency was somewhat jarring (and against MOS), and that other wording in US English made the choice of cheque seem weird (it was easier to make all check/cheque entries into check than to make them all consistently cheque and then change other words that had US/UK variations from their US variation to the UK variation. More than willing to follow your lead on how to handle it. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:50, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Mentoring
Spanish is not necesary to help out, nor do I want students using it. One of the goals fo working in WP is to put students in an environment where they MUST use English.Thelmadatter (talk) 22:01, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Thelmadatter, Zaira (Theoneinblue) has agreed to accept me as her mentor. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Great! They are working on a very short expansion due tomorrow, just to get a sense of how to add information. Details are on my user page.Thelmadatter (talk) 22:33, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar
I'm just doing what I feel is the best for Wikipedia. you guys are (mostly) all great. :) Thanks--in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 02:29, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
For the cookies. I'm a new user, but I read up on how to edit properly. I am just sticking to welcoming others until I can find something better to do or get articles up that interest me!What is to be said? (talk) 05:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Robert!
How are you doing?

I will be very thankful if you help me out! I see that you are a programmer and that you like Star Trek. I don´t really know about Star Trek, but I will love to know more about programming and doing my best at writing articles for Wikipedia. My first job is to contribute with the articles on Municipalities of Oaxaca, so I think I will be reaching out for help later.

Thanks so much!! Zaira Theoneinblue (talk) 19:17, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Zaira! Thanks for choosing me as your mentor. I've updated yours and my userpage to reflect that. I'm in the Eastern US Time Zone and am a night person who spends much time online, so I am usually readily available. My online status on the top of my Userpage and Talk Page is usually accurate, so if you see "Online" or "Available" I should usually respond pretty quickly, while if you see "Around" you can generally expect a response from me within a couple of hours. Let me know what types of contributions you are expecting to make or how I can help you in the process and I'll be glad to give you what assistance/tips I can. Best, Robert ( R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 20:01, 20 September 2010 (UTC))

Adoptee Page
This discussion is regarding my request for review of a page I have created for my adoptees: User:RobertMfromLI/Adoptees - please feel free to join the discussion.

Discussion
One, The "Make something up that sounds good" is getting old. Two, Can I Rip it Borrow it for ?--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 21:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * LoL, yes. And hey, I'm decidedly not a comedian - that much I know... but though it may not be that humorous, at least it helps indicate I might actually have a sense of humor - however poorly developed it is. Or maybe it's just a lack of coffee... never quite sure. ;-) R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:31, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, stalking so no need for talkback.--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 21:32, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * YAY! I've got a ! That's awesome! R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:35, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * We're in the same boat. About 2,000 edits starting to adopt our first users. So, You can help me, and (hopefully) I can help you.--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 21:41, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Most definitely! R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 00:05, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * And anyway, thanks, I was trying to create the same thing. --<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 21:34, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, dont forget to let me know what you think... dunno if it's too wordy, or simply needs to be to get to the point. And also dont want to have misstated anything or lead someone down the wrong path. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:36, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do.--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 21:41, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed Fixes
"Get other editors involved to help form a consensus and review all involved editors' proposed contributions" on the talk page. (?)--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 21:46, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

"WP:MOS, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:ESSAY, WP:TRUTH, WP:BLP, WP:COPY" Even I don't know what these mean by Looking. Change to the Piped Links.--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 21:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I wish I knew how to do those fancy green checkmarks. Changed the above as follows:
 * ...proposed contributions on the article's talk page.
 * extended those using pipes and descriptive text.
 * Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅Good--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 21:57, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, that easy, huh? Learned how to use the neat checkmark:
 * R OBERT M FROM LI TALK/CNTRB 21:59, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * done For examples of templates. --<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 22:00, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just didnt know that particular one (and prolly lots of others) and was too lazy to look it up... but dissecting your edit worked. :-) R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 22:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I mean the "tl|" before the template will display the syntax required for the template.--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 22:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I mean the "tl|" before the template will display the syntax required for the template.--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 22:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

"Failing those working" How's If those fail:--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 22:08, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Much better. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 22:10, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * is the "IF" on purpose?--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 22:11, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Every day except Tuesday. Emphasis meant to imply "I expect you've tried all the resolution methods above, but IF those fail..." - but if you think it's too jarring or distracting, I can change it. Was debating making it "If", " If " or the current form. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 22:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that. It's Fine--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 22:19, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hope you dont mind, but I have refactored this section with an intro so that others who watch my Talk Page will know what we are talking about and can join into the discussion (added intro at top and changed title). Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 22:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Heck, It's your talk. Delete the discussion if you want. :)--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 22:25, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Overall, I think it is a good basis from which to work. I might suggest a couple of minor WikiGnomish fixes, but nothing major. Useight (talk) 22:54, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Please do suggest away! :-) Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 23:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I never like the use of the word "things". I'd also put a serial comma in the list "music, religion or science". You have the word "don't" without an apostrophe in multiple places. Your capitalization in headers is not consistent. It's weird having "not ever" bolded; I'd recommend either bolding "do not ever", "not", or "ever". That's what I came up with while looking through it. Useight (talk) 18:34, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Much thanks! Tomorrow is copy-editing, condensing, adding tables and some other cleanup, so I'll be getting to all of those then (and some other changes recommended by others). Thanks again! R OBERT M FROM LI TALK/CNTRB 04:00, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * its od not ((od))--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 04:02, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * LoL, I know... typo (musta used that template a bunch of times in the last few hours already) and lack of previewing stuff on my own talk page. :-) Thanks for the fix! R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 04:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

/Adoptees
Looks good to me. I added a Wikilink to one section, which you may edit of course. Otherwise, I see no problems with the page and all are good rules. I recommend you also give WP:MENTOR a look-see. Good if you are wanting to jump into the mentoring arena. Also, talk with User:Kubigula, he was my mentor and could give you some additional tips on your page. Keep up the good work! :) Take Care...<small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 23:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do, and thanks for the suggestion! Got two adoptees at this point - just starting to work with them. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 00:04, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent! If you ever need any help, granted I am just an editor, but I am always available.  Take Care...<small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 00:24, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Same applies here and thank you for the offer. From one "just an editor" to another. :-) Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 00:47, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I took a look at your /Adoptees page, and it looks good to me. I only had one minor issue - I changed a wikilink for WP:Essay to WP:Essays, which is what I think you were going for.  Otherwise, looks good, as I said.  I'm around a bit more sporadically than Homer, but I'm glad to help if you ever need it.-- Kubigula (talk) 03:52, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the fix, and for taking a look at it for me! Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 04:01, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Re
As we speak, yes I need some help with Amor Prohibido (song). I nominated the article for a GA, but theres a ref error, how can I fix this problem? And the reviewer asked me to fix my grammar issues with the music video section. Can you tell me, in other ways of stating that section? Thanks. AJona1992 (talk) 01:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking into it. Quick check seems that the ref tag or ref is simply broken. Will let you know what I find. -R R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:10, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. AJona1992 (talk) 01:17, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I took a look as well and found the problem. The reason that is coming up is because there isn't a reference called ""Selena Remembered"".  That ref link has nothing to link back to.  What you need to do is correct the first instance of that reference with a main cite web link and then all the other secondary ref links will fall in line. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 01:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Look at Ref 12 (directly after "originally written about Selena's grandparents.") and then check Ref 15 (directly after "concert as her first musical number.")


 * The message give: "Cite error: Invalid tag; no text was provided for refs named Selena_Remembered; see Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text means various things, but in this case, it means the named ref was never defined. See "Issues and Resolution" on that page. Basically, you have to use the named ref first with the appropriate link. After that, you can call that ref by name.


 * Let me know if that works it out for you. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey Jonathan, I forgot to mention I have a few very helpful s . Hope their assistance doesnt bother you. They're all a wonderful bunch - and it's kinda like getting a buncha extra mentors for the price of one. :-)  R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:24, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Nice job on the fix! Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Grammar fixes
Going through the reviewer's notes and the article now. -R R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I've moved a copy of the lede to User:RobertMfromLI/Amor for us to work on. Started with a suggestion. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Just for the reference
I was going to remove the reviewer top-icon when I got back. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:51, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Inka 888, I didnt remove it. Just the one who posted the note. And it's removal was nothing personal. Just a result of the ANI. I just felt you should be fully informed about the change and the results of the ANI. Glad to see you back and hope things work out smoothly. Intelati should turn out to be a wonderful mentor, and he's always got my help if needed (just as I'm fortunate enough to have his). Best, Robert / R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:55, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Again
— <font color="Red">Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  •  6:27pm  • 08:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey
All of this writing is Free steal anything.--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 01:25, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * True, but I always try to be polite anyway... cant hurt. :-) R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:32, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

This is CSD practice. So any CSD could be used.--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 01:28, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Duh, the part I missed... CSD practice... so I went off on the entirely wrong track. My mistake. Either way, I learned something (checking deletion logs). Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:32, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * These are actual articles put up for deletion.--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 01:35, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Hii! Robert
SO I have two adopters!!! yeiii!

ok. I did my first paragpraph ever in wikipedia. I did it like four times, but I don't have much information to make a perfect paragraph. So if I find information on other pages and I do a new paragraph can you be so kind to help put the citation? Well for know I think I will continue on reading. Thanks! BTW the name of the article is San ANdres Lagunas Zaira Theoneinblue (talk) 02:23, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Most definitely! Let me know when you need help. Also, the best way to work on a new article is in your userspace. To do that, simply go to your User Page and put a /ArticleName after it (in the URL bar), and then hit enter. From there you will be prompted to create a new page. So... for this article, you could go here:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Theoneinblue/SanAndresLagunas

It will then ask if you want to create the article... click on that link, and plug away!

Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 02:32, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Template for inka
how does this look, It welcomes the user and warns them all in one copy?--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 02:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks great, I'd just remove the second "Welcome to Wikipedia" (in the warning section) - or replace it with different wording, since it'll all be in one section. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 02:57, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

How's that?--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 03:01, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Yay! My first warning!!!! Wait a minute!!! What am I saying!?!?!?!
 * In all seriousness though, looks good! R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 03:02, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 03:06, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Yo
Hey your not responding to me on AIM lolz I found some real good web sites. Try logging in and out again. AJona1992 (talk) 20:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do. I was wondering what was going on... figured you may have went to the article to edit. BRB. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 20:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey can you help me out on this The Bad Girls Club (season 5) I keep having to delete the information on Christina and Ashley (duration of cast) EVERYDAY and almost all the time. Can you tell me how should I tell the person to stop or better yet can you ask that person to stop the episode hasn't aired yet and theres no sources that indicates that they arrive at the same time in one episode. Thanks AJona1992 (talk) 21:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, first, no more reverts/deletes. That becomes edit warring even if their info is wrong. I'd leave a polite note on their userpage explaining that until the information is verifiable (an announcement online with the info, or the episode airing), to please not put it in. Very politely, and ask them to bring discussion to the article's talk page if they wish to talk about it. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:56, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, yea I was going to delete it again but I knew that would be bad news so I brought it to your attention. AJona1992 (talk) 22:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Perfect! And good choice. My thanks. -Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 22:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

question
Does huggle have warning templates built into it like twinkle, just wondering? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * YEs.--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 03:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What he said. :-) R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 05:19, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Adopt-a-user reminder
Hello, I have completed a general cleanup of the adopter information page for the adopt-a-user project, located here. During my cleanup, I have removed several inactive and retired users. In order to provide interested adoptees with an easy location to find adopters, it is essential that the page be up-to-date with the latest information possible. Thus:


 * If you are no longer interested in being an adopter, please remove yourself from the list.
 * If you are still interested, please check the list to see if any information needs to be updated or added - especially your availability. Thank you.


 * You are receiving this message because you are listed as an adopter here.

Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of Netalarm (talk) at 03:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC).

AJona's mentorship restrictions
Hey Rob, saw the extended restriction that have been proposed and added on to my original ones. You mentioned that you've let AJona know about these, but I can't seem to find that, onwiki at least. I think if you've done it offwiki, you should do it onwiki too so there's no chance of any claim that the user "wasn't told" or "didn't know". Regards. --Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 05:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Already thought of that :-) I told him as soon as the restrictions are finalized he should make a post indicating he is fine with them all. Thanks again, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 05:18, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

 * Thank you so much!!! :-) Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 14:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Will Do
Sending a test email. In case of the possibility of urgent notices, I will use email to contact you.--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 04:31, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! :-) And yes, email is actually the best way to contact me - that generally tends to work it's way to my phone (I love Android phones!!!) even with the very intermittent cell connection up there. Thanks again, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 05:56, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Got it... sent you a reply to see if that worked. -R R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 08:01, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ ;)--<font color="#FD0000">in <font color="#FF5500">te <font color="#FF8000">la <font color="#FFC000">ti (Call) 20:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

What are you interested in?
Hi! I've noticed that you are active in the adopt-a-user program, which I am currently trying to improve. In order for me to match adoptees with adopters that have similar interests, I'll need to know what subjects you like to contribute to on Wikipedia. If you will, please update your entry on the list mentioned above (MessageDeliveryBot post) with subject interests in the "On Wikipedia" section. I didn't include this in the bot message because, well, I just came up with this idea =P. Thanks.<font color="#00AA11">Netalarm <font color="#FF9933">talk 06:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Netalarm, will do, and thanks for the note! Best, Robert R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 08:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. :-) R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 09:29, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

:-)
Well we can't win over everyone can we :-) I am going to very soon write an essay about the difference between "assume", "presume", and "discern" based on prior behavior. Relating to assume good faith. Cheers,    Thorncrag    07:18, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Grammar Questions
Hey Robert I am finished with my project on "Dreaming of You" (User:AJona1992/Sandbox8) now all I need to do next is fixed, if any, grammatical errors. I will be asking two other "GA" and "FA" reviewers, before nominating, to check it over before I move it to the article. Thanks! AJona1992 (talk) 17:28, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, lets work on it tonight perhaps? I'll let you know when I'll be able to be online for a while. -R R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:49, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh alrighty then lolz AJona1992 (talk) 21:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Found an adoptee
Hey there, according to your entry at adopt-an-user, you have an interest in games. I've found an user that is also interested in games and would like to be adopted. At your earliest convenience, please take a look at User:Netalarm/Survey and decide if you to adopt this user or not. Thanks. <font color="#00AA11">Netalarm <font color="#FF9933">talk 20:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll take them, though I will have limited availability for the next 10 days (late at night). Best, Robert R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, he's all yours =P. I've left them a short note about this, but you'll want to introduce yourself too. <font color="#00AA11">Netalarm <font color="#FF9933">talk 04:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

checkuser
i have already been checkusered and i talk to User:MuZeMike the checkuser via email and he said that it is ok if i use this account and i explained 2 him that it is a legitimate new account, becos i do not wish to use my old account due to various reason that i can not tell you becos it is not ur business. U should talk to MuZeMike before u waist time with more investigation thx. but it is not to evade a block or ban or things like this. bye.--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 05:43, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I will check with an uninvolved checkuser of my own choosing, and thanks for the indication that you performed some action or actions on your previous account that has forced you to use this one. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 05:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not say I was forced to use this one. You r paraphrasing incorrectly and u are wrong.  I prefer to use this account at the present time becos there r reasons i choose not to use my other account.  it is really non of ur business.--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 05:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Considering your disruptive behavior, I believe it is the community's business. I will bring this to AN/I and request a different checkuser to verify your claims. Not that I dont believe you, and definitely not that I dont trust User:MuZemike in this matter (though he has not publicly said anything in your defense in this or other matters), but in doing so, perhaps we can put this issue that you just brought up to bed in a manner satisfactory to everyone. By not involving MuZemike, who you claim you have off-wiki conversations with (that the community is not privy to) and asking for a different checkuser, it allows a level of transparency that will hopefully make everyone involved happy with. So again, assuming the validity of your claims, this will only help you. The only way it would do the opposite is if your claims were untrue, or your portrayal of MuZemike's conversations and support of you were incorrect. I'll assume good faith, try to help you this one last time, and let uninvolved admins and checkusers decide. I simply mentioned the consequences of block evasion on the off chance it was relevant, as (you) coming clean about such may ensure less of a penalty than it being found out during a checkuser review and AN/I discussion. But again, I will assume good faith, and let uninvolved admins and checkusers review this, which will hopefully help you. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 06:00, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * OK I requested a checkuser on myself on the request for sockpuppetry investigation page. hopefully, you will be satisfy.--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 06:41, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Link please, and no. A review of the previous accounts to ensure that (1) you are not a sockpuppet, (2) you are not evading a ban or block, (3) your current block should not be extended due to your previous activities that are hidden because you are using a different account and (4) confirmation that future repercussions are warranted if you are disruptive again.
 * Additionally, I note, that when you want to, you are fully capable of complete coherent sentences with proper grammar. That seems indicative that your previous actions were indeed intentional and done in an effort to be disruptive. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 06:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * OK I ask them to run a checkuser, but they DECLINE. they say they have no reason not to believe wut i say.  So you can ask for a checkuser yourself, hopefully they will ACCEPT, because when i tried to ask for one they did not ACCEPT.--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 06:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Please dont misrepresent what happened there. It is still in awaiting clerk approval, and if it is declined, it will be because you stated no reason for it. I will file an appropriate AN/I request. It will address all the points I have brought up. Thanks. R OBERT M FROM LI TALK/CNTRB 06:52, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. It was declined. I was disappointed, but it is wut it is.--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 06:54, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations#Bad_edits_r_dumb was declined? Still says awaiting clerk review. I expect it will be though, since you gave no reason for the checkuser. I wont make that mistake. I will file an AN/I. Not sure why you are trying to convince me they told you everything was ok? Who is "they"? A clerk hasnt even reviewed your incorrectly filed request. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 06:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * hmmmm ur a funny guy. look at the clerk. he decline, but u can tattle on Bad edits r dumb on AN/I if u want to. I am tired of talking to u. I will fight some vandals and i will use TEMPLATES so I do not get in trouble. thx--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 07:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * And you will stop talking in text speech?
 * That aside, if you stop and read what i wrote on your userpage, you will see I even tried helping you with the template thing. Install Twinkle, and you can add your own personal note to each templated warning - while still including the correct warning. Please, check my example on your talk page. You can have the best of both worlds... the proper warning, but also with a personal message from you. If you weren't so busy trying to "fight" with me for no reason, you would have seen that I was trying to provide you exactly what you wanted, while adhering to the warning guidelines at the same time. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 07:27, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

"I Resent that"`
I was joking. :), I'm surprised It took you that long to notice it. --<font color="#FD0000">inte <font color="#FFC000">lati (Call) 22:32, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Senility perhaps... ;-) R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 22:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Inadvertent rollback
My cursor had a mind of its own and rolledback one of your contributions on AN/I. I fixed it immediately. Alerting you in case you noticed it. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 01:24, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, and with the quick revert, I would have assumed good faith and assumed a simple error/mistake. Thanks very much though, for taking the time to notify me. Best, Robert R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

BErD
Stop wasting time trying to bait me with trolling on AN/I. Nor do I think AN/I is the place for it. Especially when I am attempting to support no sanctions being leveled against you. And yes, you can respond on my talk page - I have no such restrictions against anyone commenting on my talk page. And no, I will not be baited further. R OBERT M FROM LI TALK/CNTRB 20:18, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * oooo your angry lolz. Is everything ok? AJona1992 (talk) 20:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I'm fine. The link above though will take you to a rather interesting AN/I. :-) R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 20:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Very interesting AN/I--<font color="#FD0000">inte <font color="#FFBF00">lati (Call) 20:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's the first AN/I I've been involved with that I have been attacked for proposing nothing be done to the other editor, compliment them twice in the proposal and clearly include an exclusion for the occassional accidental mistake. But, even with their repeat, intentional, mischaracterizations of everything I say and do, I still must propose what I think is right based on the actual topic of the AN/I (as opposed to in relationship to their actions towards me). Ah well... R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 20:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * He's missing out on a wonderful person. AJona1992 (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Much thanks for that... sadly, I would not be a suitable mentor anyway. Mentorship is definitely a two way street, and with the way they enjoy portraying me, I obviously would not be someone they would feel comfortable working with. :-/ R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:08, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Just wondering here, why do you keep sticking up for him if he doesn't want your help? AJona1992 (talk) 21:15, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Because their recent contributions prove that they have "gotten the message" and are willing to contribute in good faith (which I believe is the main purpose of the AN/I - to get them to contribute in good faith and stop violating the issues that caused their previous ban). I suppose I could have instead reacted based on their treatment of me (and mischaracterizations of my statements and actions), but that is not what the AN/I is about. So, I chose (as I always try to (and hopefully always succeed at)) to act upon the situation at hand as opposed to whether or not they like me or are mischaracterizing my efforts. :-) R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, thanks for adopting me! Cant wait to learn the ropes and actually make some good contributions. G. Fire (talk) 23:21, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Everyone, meet Goldenfiremech! G. Fire, meet everyone! R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 23:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello I am one of Robert's adoptee, and by the way, Robert is a very nice guy he helped me get my first article (re-written) into a GA status. So hes very helpful. See ya "brotha" and welcome to the club lolz. AJona1992 (talk) 00:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a fellow Wikipedian and a Talk Page Stalker. :)--<font color="#FD0000">inte <font color="#FFBF00">lati (Call) 02:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes Intelati is!! :-) And a very helpful one, G. Fire (well, all of my tps' are helpful). So... if you've got questions and you ask here, I'm sure one of the friendly bunch that stops in will help you out if I'm not available immediately.
 * Side note, you can watchlist my page to see if there are any changes. Simply click "Watch this page" or the star on the top right, and then you can follow changes to this (or any other page you add to your watchlist) by going here: Special:Watchlist. Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 02:47, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * While you're off and learning, you may wish to check this out: User:RobertMfromLI/Adoptees. It pretty much summarizes everything you need to know (going into detail about some of the important things) and has links to more specific reading on various topics. Kind of a boring (but educational) reading for all my adoptees. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 03:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Quick bit of advice
WP:DENY; DFTT. The constant rebuttals to BerD are at this point of no use. Anyone can see the facts for themselves whatever BerD claims. Cheers. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 07:17, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point, I will drop out other than to support the proposal. Thanks, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 07:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly: you could be accused of "not dropping the stick" by some editors, which could weaken chances of looking at his behavior neutrally to some. He's going to be looked after; so you can relax, get some popcorn, and enjoy the show.  It might be a long show, but you're excused on this one.  From now on, he's either "Berd", "BErD", or "BERD" - I'm not dignifying the name any longer, because I think it makes him laugh to see it... Doc9871 (talk) 07:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I just put a bag in the microwave. :-) In all seriousness though, yeah, I'm done. It seems evident that responses are exactly what's wanted, and I have no intentions of feeding the (alleged) troll. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 07:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I hate to say "I told you so" but, well y'know. MtD (talk) 19:50, 28 September 2010 (UTC)