User talk:RobertMfromLI/Archives/2011/November

Thanks
Thanks Robert... I just happened to spot the halloween issue by chance and felt the issue had to be raised. But now I'd prefer to get the hell out of it fast. Thanks again for your understanding,--MistyMorn (talk) 01:55, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * [Btw, I wouldn't suggest citing the Bologna pumpkin stall news item - it was just an example... Best,--MistyMorn (talk) 02:05, 1 November 2011 (UTC)]

ANI
Hi Robert, when you made this edit you doubled the size of ANI and to fix it I had to delete your list of diffs in the ludwig thread, would you mind reposting? Thanks N o f o rmation  Talk  02:19, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Accusations and BS
Moving this from the RfC page, since this is a personal accusation and has nothing to do with that content. I will not watch for responses and have no interest in further contact.

I agree with cited statements in our depictions of Muhammad article that state that visual depictions are rare. I agree with our article on Madonna (no, not that one) that says that images of the Madonna and Child are among the most pervasive in Christian art. To be honest, though, I find your aggressive insistence that I'm arrogant and wrong openly insulting and hostile because you have some museums who said... something... on the topic? My ability to assume good faith has departed, and I am going with it. SDY (talk) 04:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but you accused me of turning the issue into a Muhammad thing when it was not I that did it. I am not sure how you expected me to respond to that. As for the rest, simple links to some notable authority that agreed with you would have been nice - otherwise, what did you expect me to do? Side with major museums who think the images highly notable or with you? There was nothing personal against you in that. I am not sure why you perceived such. I am not at odds with you as an editor or as a person - but I am at odds with being accused of something I most clearly did not do. Wouldn't you be? If there's something else I said that upset you because you thought it was directed at your character, that was not my intent. I'm sure you've noted I can be rather blunt - so if you thought you saw an implication, I guarantee you such implication was not my intent as I'd have been very blunt about it.
 * I'm seeing we are agreeing on some things, and disagreeing on others. But, I am also beginning to think there are things we're agreeing on (or more ambivalent on) that we're perceiving the opposite in each others' posts. Anyway, my talk page is always open, and I'd be glad to discuss this further, because I'm honestly not sure where your perceptions differed from my intent. Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  04:21, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Rvt unread. Ah well. I tried, even after the "look what you did (no I didnt), well, now I dont want to talk about it" type of edit summary and comment. R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  04:31, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
For your guidance,Once you welcomed me,when I didn't know any thing,Now I've grown into a great Wikipedian!

That's me!  Have doubt?   What I done?  05:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC) 
 * Hiya! Much thanks, and don't forget you can always stop by if you have any questions or run into problems. Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  05:50, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and congrats on gaining Rollback!! Always a good thing to have more people helping out with vandalism and such! Best, R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  05:53, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi,Can you please give me a editor review?Please click here to give. That's me!  Have doubt?   What I done?  05:58, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'll start on it tomorrow though. Right now, I'm off to bed. Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  06:01, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Thoughts?
Can I ask your opinion about this? Talk:Muhammad/images --Anthonyhcole (talk) 14:21, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Much thanks for asking... will drop by there in a bit. Very busy this week, so I won't be on as much. Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  06:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for dropping by. I think I agree with all of that. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

...
wise move. -- Ludwigs 2 01:05, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Wise? No - nothing to do with that at all. Not worth it? Yes. Alas, 'tis all true - coincidence or not (142 diffs total - that's the point at which I stopped gathering them - nice of me not to post them all at AN/I when I posted the tiny handful, huh?).
 * Here's something funny, I woulda worked with you to create a Village Pump proposal to allow religious objections to be used as criteria for judging image worth - I'd have voted against it immediately, but I would have worked in good faith to help you clarify your position - including by providing you with tons of stats and such for other articles that have been similarly affected. As I really do watch hundreds of articles related to virtually every religion and irreligious topic, I've actually got a bunch of that info filed away in bookmarks and such. Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  01:12, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * it was wise; I'm sorry that you choose to see it as an insult. I'm sick of the endless back and forth, and not having to do it is a blessing for both of us.


 * As to the rest, I'll AGF that you believe what you say, and I'll happily work with you if we can figure out how to do it without all the bullshit, but that's as far as I'll go. And that's as much as I'll say on the matter.  -- Ludwigs 2  02:00, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Coming to someone's talk page to congratulate them for pulling a (rhetorical) punch that would have been quite deserved is a bit of a dick move, Ludwigs. Put a cork in it and quit while you're ahead. Tarc (talk) 02:04, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll agree that you certainly know all there is to know about dick moves, Tarc. You've demonstrated that with about half the posts you've made.  Why don't you just butt out?  Even if I disagree with Robert and disrespect some of his actions I can tell that he's trying to do the right thing.  You're don't even try, and I'm sick of listening to you.  -- Ludwigs 2  03:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Eh, I've never been one to worry about the contents of my talk page. Heck, when the darn bot stopped archiving it properly, I haven't bothered to fix it. Anyway... on to the point at hand, I'm really busy tonight, but I'll chat more tomorrow. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  04:50, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Abdullah Ibn Saba
I am trying to improve the article lead for Abdullah Ibn SabaAbdulah Ibn Saba. Would you please contribute in this job? I am pretty involved in a long dispute with user:Wiqqi55 and all my edits will be possibly reverted in a second. A third party editor probably would be a better person to improve the lead--Penom (talk) 00:56, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Please. Please. Start editing the lead. If you had joined me Thursday, the new EW may have not taken place. As I expected, he reverted all my edits. He represents minority view as majority, majority as minority, Falsifies/misrepresents sources to push his POV. Please start from the revision before recent editwarring --Penom (talk) 21:38, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll jump in tonight. Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  21:48, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

CCRays needs to follow the rules!
CRRays, needs to follow WP's rules by not using blogs as sources. I have every right to revert something b/c he fails to follow the rules. JaMikePA (talk) 19:51, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sadly, though I understand your reasoning, you are incorrect. Please read WP:3RR - there are very few exceptions that allow violating it, and using blogs as sources is most definitely not one of them. The proper way to handle such a situation is to file an AN/I report or an RfC/U report or get an uninvolved editor or admin involved - but violating 3RR isn't permitted. If you've got any questions about this, feel free to let me know. Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  20:11, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope I haven't vio'd this myself, however I don't know any rule on Wikipedia that says blogs absolutely cannot be reliable sources. This is an industry trusted blog, the perfect type of thing to cite in this case.  CRRays Head90  | We Believe! 20:35, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Blogs are generally not considered reliable sources. For more information on reliable sources, read here. For information on blogs and such, you can skip to this section. or read the full page on it here. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  20:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The key word there is generally and I think this one is considering it's reputation in it's industry, and it's a subsection of a website.  CRRays Head90  | We Believe! 21:26, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

It's an industry unrelated to Major League Baseball. Therefore, it's not reliable.JaMikePA (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * How so? It specializes in graphic design, graphic designers designed the logos for their clients, the team, so why wouldn't a graphic design blog be reliable for sourcing that?  CRRays Head90  | We Believe! 22:04, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * How about you guys put this into context for me? What exactly are we talking about? R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  00:35, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * One and two  CRRays Head90  | We Believe! 03:37, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

In case you miss it in that wall
--Anthonyhcole (talk) 11:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Anthony, much thanks. Been very busy lately. A one day onsite for a company we consult for is turning out to be a multi-week job thanks to movers and electricians who were severely delayed with their part (and still finishing their work... ugh!). Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  23:58, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

BLTs
Hi Rob, you joined in on a conversation (in fact, you started it!) regarding Talk:BLT yesterday. I've found a number of other online sources whihc discuss the effect and reworded the sentence. I'd appreciate any further views you have on the matter. WormTT  &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:57, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, in the middle of eating some bacon right now.... ;-) See you there in a few! -R R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  20:13, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank You so much.for your comment on the homophobia talk page.
You put into words perfectly many of the things that I have been trying desperately to put into words for a long time. I really appreciate it. -Rainbowofpeace (talk) 21:46, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Any time. :-) Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN  21:51, 27 November 2011 (UTC)