User talk:Robert Sabin

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Hello Robert Sabin and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your recent contributions, such as your edit to the page Idyllwild-Pine Cove, California, seem to be advertising or for promotional purposes. Wikipedia does not allow advertising. For more information on this, please see: If you still have questions, there is a new contributors' help page, or you can write   below this message along with a question and someone will be along to answer it shortly. You may also find the following pages useful for a general introduction to Wikipedia: I hope you enjoy editing Wikipedia! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Feel free to write a note on the bottom of my talk page if you want to get in touch with me. Again, welcome! – S. Rich (talk) 04:38, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
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September 2013
Please stop this type of editing. If you continue to add soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, as you did at Idyllwild-Pine Cove, California, you may be blocked from editing. ''It looks like you are the editor and publisher of HeArts. Sorry, you cannot use Wikipedia to promote your magazine. As beautiful as your magazine is, you must stop. Thank you.'' – S. Rich (talk) 04:43, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

A little confused! I am adding a local Magazine here in Idyllwild which is free. This is no different than the Town Crier which is promoting the local newspaper. So please clarify.

Thanks for posting the help message, Robert. Based on your request, I've made some modifications to the message above. As for your question, there are two issues involved. One is the WP:COI that exists when you post a link to your magazine. The COI is there because it is yours. The second issue is the promotional aspect of adding the link. WP is devoted (as much as possible) to WP:NOTADVERTISING. This means we do not allow "spamlinks". See WP:ELNO for more information. Now if you have a secondary source that mentions the fact that HeArts is based in I-PG, that would be acceptable as part of the overall general prose description of businesses in I-PG. But adding the link in the External links section is not going to work. (FYI, I have a connection and interest in I-PG. Camp Emerson was a hangout for me and I've been up to the top of those mountains various times over the years.) SO -- what should you do? For the moment, please take a look at the policies and guidelines that WP adheres to. Then ping me with questions. You have a beautiful magazine and I do want to help. – S. Rich (talk) 05:01, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

So then with the connection and interest you would know that the economy has taken a dive in Idyllwild ever since the fires and Press Enterprise writing a headline that Idyllwild pretty much no longer exists titled "Idyllwild is Hells Inferno" just so they could make a dollar. The magazine was started to bring awareness to the local artists and art of Idyllwild as well as Southern California artists. This is the first art magazine produced in Idyllwild and it's purpose is to help boost the economy and help the local business with an alternative to the local newspaper which has overpriced their advertising for pure profit and no contribution to the community. The advertising revenue is put back into the community and not a private party's pocket.

Is it that I need the local paper to acknowledge that HeArt exists for this purpose? ( of course they won't because why break their own monopoly on a town) or would a press enterprise coverage serve the purpose. As the magazine is free and not sold providing valuable community information, I can't understand how so many links to Town Crier which charges just to read their articles even online is not a WP:COI

I am really not trying to be difficult. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Sabin (talk • contribs)

Robert, I'll cogitate on this for a while and come up with something that (hopefully) complies with WP policies. It's getting late. Goodnight. – S. Rich (talk) 05:39, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Per this short intro, typically press enterprise coverage would serve the purpose of establishing notability better, but multiple local newspapers might also work. Take a look at search for «Idyllwild-Pine Cove» at google.com (news).
 * I am closing this request at this moment as S. Rich is already closely familiar with the context and it may be preferable to try his help (even if timezones aren't particularly helping) first, and only resort to helpme if the issue is either pressing/frustrating or he fails to help you. Thank you. Gryllida (talk) 07:53, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

HeArt Magazine
Robert, given the excellent quality of your first issue, HeArt has potential, as a magazine, for inclusion in Wikipedia as a stand alone article. The basic criteria in this regard is WP:Notable. I look forward to the day when we can include it. In the meantime, do you have an ISSN? And/or are you listed in WorldCat? Either one would help establish HeArt as a WP:RS and perhaps lead to an article. As far as having an External link listed in the I-PG article, I need more data to show you are an established business in the area. But please don't get too worried about having a link in the article (or an article in WP). The I-PG has gotten 2340 page views in the last 30 days. Unlikely that many of these views clicked the ELs. But sooner or later HeArt will be in the article IAW WP policies & guidelines. – S. Rich (talk) 04:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC)