User talk:Robert pillgraham

Proposed deletion of Last November
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 * Last November is a notable band. There is no reason to delete this article.

They are currently nominated "Top 40 Group of the Year" by New Music Weekly, a very notable Radio charting magazine. Their single is at number 63 on the top 100 chart for NMW as well. Robert pillgraham (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No, the band is not notable. You have provided no specific references to verify what you have written. The only independent reference you provided, New Music Weekly, does not link to anything that specifically mentions the band — it just links to the home page of the site, and a search of the site turns up nothing about the group. The other citations are to AllMusic which merely proves the band exists, the band's MySpace (see this page), and the label's web site page about the band. None of those can be considered reliable, independent sources because they are controlled by the band itself, its label, or others with a vested interest in the band. Wikipedia requires independent, reliable sources.


 * This band is not signed by a major label or well-known indie. It has not placed a song on a major chart. It does not inherit notability from its producers or anyone outside the band itself. Therefore, it fails Wikipedia's notability policies for bands and the article should be deleted. Since you removed the prod tag, I will now formally nominate this for AfD. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 23:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The New Music Weekly link does mention the band. It is a voting page. Therefore you have to click on the drop down menu which lists the nominees for "new top 40 group of the year" Last November is listed there along with Seether and other notable acts.

Specify what a well-known indie label is. Southern Tracks Records has had very notable artists in the past. Southern Tracks Records also owns Bill Lowery Music Publishing Group which has thousands of songs in its catalogue including Last Novembers songs. Bill Lowery was an extremely important figure in Georgia's music history and was the first non-performer inducted into the georgia music hall of fame. Therefore, Southern Tracks Records is a notable independent label.

The New Music Weekly Charts are notable and respected charts. Last November's new single impacted only a few weeks ago and is at number 63 on the top 100.

Robert pillgraham (talk) 23:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

November 2008
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Your edit here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove unwanted links and spam from Wikipedia. The external link you added or changed is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. The external links I reverted were matching the following regex rule(s): rule: '\bmyspace\.com' (link(s): http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=44909083). If the external link you inserted or changed was to a blog, forum, free web hosting service, or similar site, then please check the information on the external site thoroughly. Note that such sites should probably not be linked to if they contain information that is in violation of the creator's copyright (see Linking to copyrighted works), or they are not written by a recognised, reliable source. Linking to sites that you are involved with is also strongly discouraged (see conflict of interest).

If you were trying to insert an external link that does comply with our policies and guidelines, then please accept my creator's apologies and feel free to undo the bot's revert. Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! XLinkBot (talk) 20:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Last November
I have nominated Last November, an article you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Last November. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 23:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Robert, are you related to Luke Pilgrim? How did you hear of this band, and what is your relationship to it? Thanks! — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 03:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)