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Tech News: 2024-19
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 * The appearance of talk pages changed for all wikis, except for Commons, Wikidata and most Wikipedias (a few have already received this design change). You can read the detail of the changes on Diff. It is possible to opt-out these changes in user preferences (""). The deployment will happen at remaining wikis in the coming weeks.
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 * Octicons-tools.svg Wikimedia Enterprise has added article body sections in JSON format and a curated short description field to the existing parsed Infobox. This expansion to the API is also available via Wikimedia Cloud Services.

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 * When you look at the Special:Log page, the first view is labelled "All public logs", but it only shows some logs. This label will now say "Main public logs".

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 * A new service will be built to replace Extension:Graph. Details can be found in the latest update regarding this extension.
 * Starting May 21, English Wikipedia and German Wikipedia will get the possibility to activate "Add a link". This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to all Wikipedias. These communities can activate and configure the feature locally.

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Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York City) has been nominated for discussion
Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York City) has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Graham (talk) 19:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:High Boost Filter
Hey, came across this draft at CopyPatrol. While I agree that they displayed the CC BY-SA icon and have a compatible version of the "You are free to:" and "Under the following terms:" text, they also have the following, which gives me pause: These can be used for personal or non-commercial purpose only) by giving due attribution with the following mentioned terms and conditions, otherwise, it will still be categorized as copyright violation. Right above that section, they talk about reserving "the full rights" on "commercial posting". So there's conflicting information. Thoughts? Maybe they don't get that there are different Creative Commons licenses? DanCherek (talk) 23:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @DanCherek, reading through the legal text, my understanding that the personal or non-commercial purpose is applicable on their trademark. Where the Trademark shall be used only in connection to the contents which are created by us, any individual user of the said Trademark/ Logo, or in connection with any other contents or company shall be treated as Infringement. These can be used for personal or non-commercial purpose only
 * There is no modification to the CC BY-SA to the text in their articles to my understanding of the legal text on their site. – robertsky (talk) 05:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @DanCherek just to add... do point me along if there were prior discussions about this site. – robertsky (talk) 09:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, makes sense (kind of), I guess they just did a bad job at clearly writing their terms. DanCherek (talk) 18:16, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Edits to Grove Collaborative Article
Hello User:Robertsky: I see you worked on the Grove Collaborative article back in 2022. I requested some corrections and updates to the article on March 6, and added them to the COI requested edits list. I was wondering if you might have time to review the suggested edits? As a COI editor, I am committed to following the rules and best practices. Thank you and best. RJZGroveCo (talk) 19:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please use the COI Edit request template on the talk page of the article concerned, not on a user talk page. If you are requesting the owner of the user talk page to do something, you shouldn't have to use a template since it will most likely notify them that an edit has been made to their user talk page even without a template. Shadow311 (talk) 22:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Derek G Peat (00:44, 5 May 2024)
Hi Robertsky,

I use Wikipedia regularly and have helped with funding. I discovered today that a colleague of mine had a page and thought I should have one too. I checked and there is no Derek Peat page, so before I attempt to create one, I obviously need to do a lot of "how to" reading. I'd like to ensure noone else starts a page about me. Can you tell me how to do this. Cheers, Derek --Derek G Peat (talk) 00:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Derek G Peat, if you are not notable according to WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO, you should be fine. However, if you have prolonged exposure in the media and/or other expertise based publications, i.e. scientific journals, it is likely that you maybe written. – robertsky (talk) 03:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Wingwanger on Draft:2011 Canterbury Earthquake Citation (05:11, 9 May 2024)
Hello, I just wrote this article on the Canterbury Earthquake Citation. How does this look,.and how do I add pictures.

Thank you --Wingwanger (talk) 05:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Wingwanger for citations, see Help:Footnotes. for pictures, do upload only photos that you know are of compatible copyright free license taken by others, i.e. photos on news sites are likely not copyright free. Or if the photos are taken by yourself, you should ideally use a Creative Commons license. See Help:Pictures: If you need help uploading an image, or selecting a suitable image for an article, see the image use policy and the Manual of Style(→). Images on most websites are copyrighted and should not be uploaded; see the copyright policy. Please upload the highest resolution image possible, but keep the file size under 1,000 megabytes. – robertsky (talk) 03:46, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Shivacruz (05:28, 9 May 2024)
Hello, When i try edit one source its getting like this ? I am not understanding how to edit. Can you please help me with this? --Shivacruz (talk) 05:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Shivacruz, I have dropped a welcome message on your talk page with links to tutorials. Hopefully those are of help! – robertsky (talk) 03:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-20
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Recent changes
 * On Wikisource there is a special page listing pages of works without corresponding scan images. Now you can use the new magic word  to exclude certain pages (list of editions or translations of works) from that list.
 * If you use the user-preference "", then the template-page feature "" will now also work without reloading the page.
 * Kartographer maps can now specify an alternative text via the  attribute. This is identical in usage to the  attribute in the image and gallery syntax. An exception for this feature is wikis like Wikivoyage where the miniature maps are interactive.
 * The old Guided Tour for the "New Filters for Edit Review" feature has been removed. It was created in 2017 to show people with older accounts how the interface had changed, and has now been seen by most of the intended people.

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 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Octicons-tools.svg The results page will now use CSS flex attributes, for better accessibility, instead of a table. If you have a gadget or script that adjusts search results, you should update your script to the new HTML structure.

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 * In the Vector 2022 skin, main pages will be displayed at full width (like special pages). The goal is to keep the number of characters per line large enough. This is related to the coming changes to typography in Vector 2022. Learn more.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Two columns of the  database table ( and  ) are being dropped soon. Users must use two columns of the new  table instead ( and  ). In your existing SQL queries:
 * Replace  with  and  with  in the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> statement
 * Below that add <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr">
 * See T222224 for technical reasoning.

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Question from Adnan Anamul on Talk:Jude Bellingham (21:32, 16 May 2024)
I love football and consider myself a good football player. I emulate you. My dream is to see you up close, I don't think this dream will come true. I want to show you my talent. I live in Bangladesh. --Adnan Anamul (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move for Twitter article

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Page move.
Hello @Robertsky, Could you help revert this page move. I just realized there is need to disambiguate Dora the Explorer (franchise) and thr TV series. Safari Scribe <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Edits! Talk! 19:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @SafariScribe Specifically, are you requesting to revert these two moves that you requested at RM/TR? – robertsky (talk) 20:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. Safari Scribe <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Edits! Talk! 20:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @SafariScribe ✅. Please file another request after you have made the updates as necessary. – robertsky (talk) 20:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Of course I will. Safari Scribe <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Edits! Talk! 20:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-21
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Recent changes
 * The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title.
 * New changes have been made to the UploadWizard in Wikimedia Commons: the overall layout has been improved, by following new styling and spacing for the form and its fields; the headers and helper text for each of the fields was changed; the Caption field is now a required field, and there is an option for users to copy their caption into the media description.

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 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
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MediaWiki message delivery 23:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Greek Orthodox Church
The page was protected with an edit made only half way. The last line in the list (Exarchate under the jurisdiction of the Orthodox Church in America (itself not part of Greek Orthodoxy)) was the header of the Albanian Archdiocese within OCA. Without it, the header could be deleted. I would do it myself, but I am not an editor. THanks. Coquidragon (talk) 00:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Coquidragon.. and you found yourself able to edit it now. :) I had a longer message about waiting for the protection to lapse, but you had already done it. Hopefully it does not bring about much contention while the discussion is still on ongoing! – robertsky (talk) 17:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Jeees777 (16:43, 23 May 2024)
how do you get the motivation to edit actively for multiple years for almost nothing in return, do you have a job? --Jeees777 (talk) 16:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jeees777, glad that you had asked. I have a job, but both do not interfere with each other.
 * See https://xkcd.com/386/ It sums up perfectly the primary motivation. And the environment here is conducive for discourse to happen.
 * After awhile, you gain a community here. Or two. Or three. Or on and on and on... Over time you will develop friendships with others here, sharing the same goal of building the repository of open knowledge be it by content, technical or other types of contributions.
 * – robertsky (talk) 16:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * cool bro :) Jeees777 (talk) 21:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

NPP School
Hey, Robert, I hope you are well. I recently discovered the NPP school. There is a lot of information available on that page, except for one thing that I also want to know: What will happen after completing the school? Will the graduate be granted NPP rights? Grab Up -  Talk  09:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Grabup, not sure. I didn't go through it. I went through the rough and tumble of AFC first before doing NPP. But looking at those who were previously trained, the graduates are typically granted the right if there are no further issues found by the reviewing admin. Of course, at the very least, the minimum conditions of granting the rights are still applicable. One should not use NPP school as a shortcut into getting the rights. – robertsky (talk) 09:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information, I am also going throught AfC reviewing, till now I have reviewed 280 articles and thank you for granting me Rollback rights. I am actively countering vandalism with AntiVandal. Grab Up  -  Talk  09:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK for 2024 Southeast Asia heat wave
&spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Journowatch (04:22, 25 May 2024)
Hello,

I am working to add new articles for journalists covering Southeast Asia. I have just added a first, but I spent several days preparing it. It is for France 24 journalist Matt Hunt, the regional correspondent. I am sure I made the page properly, but I want to check with you for guidance. Will keep editing in the meantime.

Thank you. --Journowatch (talk) 04:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Journowatch, I declined the draft as It totally fails WP:GNG and WP:JOURNALIST. It requires multiple in-depth coverages from independent, reliable sources. Being a journalist doesn’t make him notable. To establish notability, it requires coverage of the subject. See WP:GNG and WP:JOURNALIST. Grab Up  -  Talk  04:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, will add and try again. Journowatch (talk) 04:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have gone back and added the required notability pieces you pointed out - stories from indpendent sources about the journalist's work. Bio, text, etc, the same. Journowatch (talk) 04:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Grabup I have gone back and added the required notability pieces you pointed out - stories from independent sources about the journalist's work. Bio, text, etc, the same. Thank you Journowatch (talk) 04:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Journowatch: As I said, it requires multiple “in-depth” coverages from independent, reliable sources. The sources you recently added are just passing mentions and can’t really establish notability. Read WP:SIGCOV to learn what in-depth means! Grab Up  -  Talk  06:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Grabup ok, will read and try again. Thank you Journowatch (talk) 06:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Grabup cut the page down, including all non-related sources per the guidelines sent. Added more links to fuller coverage of his work from independent sources. Now, I cannot "resubmit" as it's still pending, but I have saved/published the changes. Journowatch (talk) 06:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Robert Sim!
And I am okay can you please edit my user page Lirresss (talk) 14:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Jrckepler on Memphis Grizzlies (18:11, 25 May 2024)
Hi, I noticed this article states that the Milwaukee Bucks do not have a basketball in their logo. However, in the antlers there is an outline of a basketball. I am not sure if that counts as having one or not, so I don't want to edit unless it fits the exact defition. Thanks! --Jrckepler (talk) 18:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jrckepler, only if you have a reference that states so. – robertsky (talk) 18:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Pickleeee4 (02:04, 26 May 2024)
How do I go about citing images? --Pickleeee4 (talk) 02:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Pickleeee4 what images you would like to cite? – robertsky (talk) 02:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-22
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Recent changes
 * Several bugs related to the latest updates to the UploadWizard on Wikimedia Commons have been fixed. For more information, see T365107 and T365119.
 * Octicons-tools.svg In March 2024 a new addPortlet API was added to allow gadgets to create new portlets (menus) in the skin. In certain skins this can be used to create dropdowns. Gadget developers are invited to try it and give feedback.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Some CSS in the Minerva skin has been removed to enable easier community configuration. Interface editors should check the rendering on mobile devices for aspects related to the classes: <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> . Further details are available on replacement CSS if it is needed.

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 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * When you visit a wiki where you don't yet have a local account, local rules such as edit filters can sometimes prevent your account from being created. Starting this week, MediaWiki takes your global rights into account when evaluating whether you can override such local rules.

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Question from Africa Judge and Jurists Forum (15:30, 1 June 2024)
Hello Robertsky I have writen about my organisation, i want to have it published but i cant even edit the title. it still has the word sample page on it. Here is the page https://w.wiki/AFzD I really appreciate your time. --Africa Judge and Jurists Forum (talk) 15:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Africa Judge and Jurists Forum the article as it is will be deleted or moved to draft space if moved to the mainspace or even to your main userpage. Please read WP:COI, WP:YFA, and WP:PROMO. I am also dropping you a talk page message to advise you to change your username. Your account will be blocked if you do not change your username. – robertsky (talk) 15:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Let me read through. Africa Judge and Jurists Forum (talk) 15:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Grammar at RfA
Hi Robert, in your most recent question at RfA, #17, you wrote you realised that a recently closed RfC that introduced new guidelines to the article title in question. I think this sentence is missing something. Maybe "you realise that a recently closed RfC introduced new guidelines..." is better? Best, Toadspike   [Talk]  15:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You still have "that" twice in the sentence – it might be good to remove one. Toadspike   [Talk]  15:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Toadspike, thanks for the catch! – robertsky (talk) 16:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, it looks good now! Toadspike   [Talk]  16:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-23
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 * It is now possible for local administrators to add new links to the bottom of the site Tools menu without JavaScript. Documentation is available.
 * The message name for the definition of the tracking category of WikiHiero has changed from "<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> " to "<bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> ".
 * One new wiki has been created: a in Kadazandusun

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MediaWiki message delivery 22:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Distortion of Maratha Empire page.
On 22 May 2024, you officially renamed/shifted Maratha Empire page to Maratha Confederacy (Log for this action - ) based on a sham consensus debate.

Have you investigated the profiles which actually voted for this malicious move (an attempt to discredit status of Maratha State), 2 of them are made in 2023, and 2 of them were sockpuppets of the same person who is banned now. And all 5-6 voters are Muslims who voted for this move against a Hindu Empire. These nuances get easily overlooked by foreign editors like yourself despite your vast knowledge and understanding. Calling Maratha Empire a "confederacy" is an attempt to delegitimize the Maratha state's real status and aggrandize the Mughals (an Islamic state) who were subjugated by the Marathas. I have opened up a Talk page topic drawing attention to the misinformation that has been mainstreamed due to this move. DeccanFlood (talk) 18:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @DeccanFlood, I have replied in the article's talk page, there's no point having separate conversations. Let's keep the discussion there, and be civil. – robertsky (talk) 20:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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Russian Air Force
Thank you for your assistance at RFPP. Four minutes after I had made the first anon-proof revert, reverted that exact edit, so I believe some users may have been editing logged-out. I will take this up in other channels, but just wanted to say thankyou for moving this to the next stage. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Buckshot06 oh no! Independently, I have up-ed the protection upon review. – robertsky (talk) 02:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Many thanks!! Buckshot06 (talk) 14:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-24
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Recent changes
 * The software used to render SVG files has been updated to a new version, fixing many longstanding bugs in SVG rendering.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The HTML used to render all headings is being changed to improve accessibility. It was changed last week in some skins (Vector legacy and Minerva). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and report any related problems so that they can be resolved before this change is made in Vector-2022. The developers are still considering the introduction of a Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The HTML markup used for citations by Parsoid changed last week. In places where Parsoid previously added the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> class, Parsoid now also adds the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> class for better compatibility with the legacy parser. More details are available.

Problems
 * There was a bug with the Content Translation interface that caused the tools menus to appear in the wrong location. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Octicons-tools.svg The new version of MediaWiki includes another change to the HTML markup used for citations: Parsoid will now generate a <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> wrapper for both named and unnamed references for better compatibility with the legacy parser. Interface administrators should verify that gadgets that interact with citations are compatible with the new markup. More details are available.
 * On multilingual wikis that use the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> system, there is a feature that shows potentially-outdated translations with a pink background until they are updated or confirmed. From this week, confirming translations will be logged, and there is a new user-right that can be required for confirming translations if the community requests it.

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Question from GreenEditor007 (16:18, 11 June 2024)
How do I include images to give examples of fashion trends? --GreenEditor007 (talk) 16:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Gteoswiki (03:07, 9 June 2024)
Hello. Is it possible to publish my article draft? I just finished it and I'm new to Wikipedia. --Gteoswiki (talk) 03:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Gteoswiki Your draft needs more content beyond the news that the development has started with a tentative launch date. See also: Notability (video games), an essay advising on the notability of games, and also Manual_of_Style/Video_games. – robertsky (talk) 01:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks Gteoswiki (talk) 14:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks Gteoswiki (talk) 14:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Krishna Gurjar Riyana (07:27, 15 June 2024)
Hey brother how much time it takes so that everyone can see my edits --Krishna Gurjar Riyana (talk) 07:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Your edits should be visible immediately, unless it relates to page creation.VR (Please ping on reply) 21:00, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

RM
I noticed you closed this contention move without giving any sort explanation beside "Per consensus". How did you come to this conclusion? VR (Please ping on reply) 02:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Vice regent, among those supported a move, it is more consistently stated that the proposed title is in consistency with other similar articles and neutrally worded as well. – robertsky (talk) 01:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with you on consistency but disagree on neutrality. Here were the arguments made during the RM, and who made them:
 * "Impact is more neutral than damage"
 * Agree (3): RoySmith, Schwede66, FortunateSons. Disagree (3): Vice regent, Levivich, John Cummings.
 * 3 vs 3 is not consensus. Did you discard the opposing arguments, and if so, why?
 * "Impact is more consistent".
 * Agree (4): RoySmith, Gruznov, FortunateSons, Zanahry. Disagree: none.
 * We should replace "Israel-Hamas war" with "Israeli invasion of the Gaza strip".
 * Agree (3-4): Vice regent, Lightburst, John Cummings, possibly Levivich. Disagree: none.
 * This looks like a clear consensus to me. Is there a reason you ignored this? VR (Please ping on reply) 08:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Vice regent, urgh. I guess a previous massage didn't go through...
 * "Impact is more neutral than damage"
 * Nope, didn't discard the opposing views. Rather, I took into account of Lightburst's comment to decide the consensus. I note that you also had proposed for either manner.
 * "Impact is more consistent".
 * In agreement with this.
 * We should replace "Israel-Hamas war" with "Israeli invasion of the Gaza strip".
 * I have a different assessment on this despite the vote count. Changing to what you and the rest have asked here is a breakaway from the title used in the parent article, and rightly brought up by Gruznov, and also as to what RoySmith stated in their statement in "Suggested rename" that spawned the There's no need to say "in the Gaza Strip" in the title; that's where the war is, so it's obvious that's where the damage is. Also, this would be more in line with other existing titles. I have to note that the other existing titles that used "X invasion in Y" or "X something-ion of Y" is a result of the respective parent articles. – robertsky (talk) 01:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * "Nope, didn't discard the opposing views. Rather, I took into account of Lightburst's comment to decide the consensus. I note that you also had proposed for either manner."
 * Can you explain? I'm still not seeing your neutrality argument. If you didn't discard the !votes, then 3 or and 3 against doesn't make consensus.
 * "Changing to what you and the rest have asked here is a breakaway from the title used in the parent article"
 * But we have the parent article Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip (2023–present) that is a more specific parent article than Israel-Hamas war. My !vote specifically pointed out that this article only discusses the environment in Gaza and not other places where the Israel-Hamas war has taken place.VR (Please ping on reply) 20:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Vice regent Hmm.. How about I reverse my close and relist the discussion? – robertsky (talk) 08:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, much appreciated.VR (Please ping on reply) 15:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Can you re-add the RM notice to the article and list at WP:RM? Or maybe tell me how to do it and I can do it myself?VR (Please ping on reply) 22:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Vice regent oh yeah... I keep forgetting that the bot doesn't re-add the notice after some time. Will do so if it is not done yet. As for the WP:RM I will check it out, it should have been listed automatically. – robertsky (talk) 06:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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Question from SkittlezRS (00:49, 17 June 2024)
I just released a draft of a page, Rafael de Soto to put on the Spider (magazine) page, and I just wanted to ask, what are some things my page could be denied for? --SkittlezRS (talk) 00:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @SkittlezRS it is as what the reviewer stated, it needs more reliable sources. Out of the four sources you used, only one is a maybe usable source, the pulpartists one. You will need to find other sources to back the article up. The standards of writing biographies on Wikipedia has risen over time. The type of sources you will need are third-party, independent, and reliable sources (WP:SOURCES). It needs not necessarily be online sources, offline will do as well, as long as it can be reasonably be verified by another editor. Another point to note is that, although it may not be necessary for biographies for long-dead persons, it is still best to have the citations done in line so that it is easy for others to verify (see WP:ILC). – robertsky (talk) 00:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem with that is i checked a lot of websites and only that one had a biography about him. I'll check more, but I do not think I'll make much progress SkittlezRS (talk) 16:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem with that is i checked a lot of websites and only that one had a biography about him. I'll check more, but I do not think I'll make much progress SkittlezRS (talk) 16:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Byrnez (18:27, 18 June 2024)
Hello, Could you please explain to me how to change the xfx logo on the xfx wikipedia page because it is old? Thanks --Byrnez (talk) 18:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Byrnez you can upload the new logo first (see Uploading images, through File upload wizard), and then in the article, edit the infobox with the new logo file. If you are uncertain about the copyright status of the logo, upload as non-free file locally on English Wikipedia instead of uploading at Commons. – robertsky (talk) 20:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Robertsky Byrnez (talk) 18:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

June 2024
Hi! Thank you for fixing the moving errors I made while trying to move the pages. If you don't mind, could you explain how exactly we move the pages like this? I thought I'd figured it out from looking at others, but I guess not. ／talk 07:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Lunar-akaunto What you tried to do is a round-robin move, which requires an advanced permission that only page movers and administrators have (and as admins, if the target page is just history of redirections being made, we have the option to have the page outright deleted). – robertsky (talk) 07:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Oh. Understood. ／talk 07:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Nusantara (city)
Hello, could you please move the talk page as well? Thank you. Bluesatellite (talk) 03:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Bluesatellite done – robertsky (talk) 05:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Regarding requested move Terence Trent D'arby to Sananda Maitreya
I notice you closed my move request "per consensus". As you'll see from my subsquent post (Requested move 23 June 2024) I feel strongly that we are failing to apply WP:NAMECHANGES guidelines in this case and have provided plenty of followup reliable sources that indicate an incorrect consensus decision was reached. Wanted to reach out to you before initiating a move review. MzK11 (talk) 21:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @MzK11, your initial nominating statement focused too much on the fact that the catalogue has been reissued under the subject's new name, a point which many in the discussion contested on.
 * the overwhelming majority of his career to date has been under the name Sananda Maitreya..., but there were no sources in the initial statement. In your followup reply to BarrelProof, it consists of mostly interviews which are considered as primary sources. Out of the four (excluding Spotify and Apple), only may possibly be used as an independent reference. Despite the response by BarrelProof to your followup, I do not see that it had changed their initial stance of leaning oppose much (the initial stance was not struck out).
 * And given that there was a similar request raised in 2022, and decidedly opposed based on COMMONNAME, what had changed since then? There was no denying of the new name in the discussions then and now, as far as I can tell, but neither was it raised that it should be changed based on NAMECHANGES. Therefore taking the discussion into considerations, the question to contest in the discussion you raised on June 1 is "the new name more commonly known to the public between 2022 and now?" Are their new works as prominently known as their older works?
 * The reissue of the catalog under the new name may not be a proof that his name name is now more commonly known, a point that was raised repeatedly in various forms, and (now having read into all of the sources used in the article fully) especially not after when it was at the insistence of the subject . (Anecdotally, streaming services republishing catalogs under another name is more common than you think, especially when there is a change coming from the publisher's end.)
 * Therefore per consensus, the old name is still the common name. You said that the consensus was based on a faulty premise, but from the looks of it, the initial nominating statement is at fault for starting the discussion on this path, and the followup to BarrelProof did little to steer the discussion into a closure you desire.
 * As for your new request to relook into this from the perspective of WP:NAMECHANGE, it is worthy a look but as a separate discussion in my opinion. – robertsky (talk) 14:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your time and thoughtful response.
 * From my perspective we never had the opportunity to discuss the issue from the perspective of WP:NAMECHANGE at the time, the topic was derailed from the outset (presumably more experienced) Wikipedia editors who took the conversation off in different directions with their own impossible standards of evidence (e.g. trying to make me find articles that don't mention the old name at all... a completely invented standard) and then the whole conversation was shut down. Yes, a consensus was reached but the topic has not been given a fair shake yet in accordance to Wikipedia guidelines, we're not doing what is best for Wikipedia.
 * Furthermore, because you closed off that original RM, my subsequent RM has been ALSO shut down without any further discussion, so we've completely denied ourselves any way forward. Again, we have failed to act in the best interests of Wikipedia there. We need to be more willing to apply Wikipedia guidelines with more due dilligence, and less keen to beat each other with beauracracy. I appreciate Wikipedia has its protocol to follow etc but ultimately we're all trying to make the site better and the problem here is that we've been completely denied any path towards doing the right thing.
 * I am completely happy to accept that the focus on the renaming of the back catalogue has been proven to not the best way to steer the discussion, but hindsight etc. The point there was, this is an unusual situation and merits more nuanced debate, but increasingly the replies were setting their own impossible standards of evidence which are not necessarily aligned with Wikipedia's own guidelines.
 * The simple fact is there isn't a single reliable source from the past 20+ years which routinely refers to him by his old name. Flipping the direction of the argument is quite revealing I think - you won't find much of anything that refers to the old name except when referring to as a former name. So I think we have a case to dispute both the COMMONNAME assertion and also on grounds of NAMECHANGE. Rather than relitigate the mistakes from that first conversation, I just want the conversation to continue and focus on Wikipedia guidelines and real sources - we must find a way to improve Wikipedia and get it lining up with all reliable media sources, because it's paralysis when attempting to resolve even simple matters like this are leading to some very anachronistic articles.. How can we find a way forward?
 * Lastly, I don't think we can rule that all interviews are primary sources necessarily. For the more reputable newspapers, magazines, media organisations etc their interviews are subject to the same journalistic standards as any other article, it's just that some of the article may quote or paraphrase direct communication from the subject. But really in the world of music journalism, if you rule out interviews you really don't have many (any?) sources left to work with.
 * If you agree that the WP:NAMECHANGE path seems potentially fruitful and worth exploring further, what's the best way forward in your view, if we want to try and give ourselves a chance of making a better informed / better debated decision? Is it best to reopen the "shut by consensus" RM, or the "shut by association" subsequent RM? Happy to take advice on this. MzK11 (talk) 21:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @MzK11 since you have opened a WP:MRV, let the other editors weigh in first and take it from there. – robertsky (talk) 11:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Consultation about 2023 Orchard Road rioting
Hello Robertsky I am Nelson, and this is a consultaton request I wish to seek from you. I recently created a new article titled 2023 Orchard Road rioting, where a man was killed during a brawl. I published it after working on it since last year (only a tiny bit actually) and also expanded on it after the first conviction just recently. It was moved to draftspace for some reason of blpcrime issue but I moved it back and also redacted the names of those who are not yet convicted, except for one of the suspects Asvain who is facing a murder charge and shahrulnizam, the friend of the victim who was similarly charged. I not sure if I need more improvement, and if the names of the two other guys Asvain and Shahrulnizam should also be removed but keep the name of the first person convicted. Hope to get some advice from you soon. Thank you and wish you a good night NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 12:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Robertsky, it was again taken to draftspace as Draft:2023 Orchard Road rioting. I was told there was massive BLP violation but there were no specifications about what exactly I should edit away. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 11:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @NelsonLee20042020 There are two things here. First you could have invoke WP:DRAFTNO. Second, open a discussion with the editor in question, although it should be that the other editor who should have opened the discussion with you per WP:BRD. – robertsky (talk) 11:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Robertsky, thank you for replying to my message. I wish to also ask your opinion about my article, and if there are improvements I should have by the way. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 11:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @NelsonLee20042020: Personally, I would wait until the court case(s) are over before writing up on someone's criminal act if it is the only thing notable about the person. In this case, person(s). It may take awhile for all the cases to be settled, but there's no deadline to writing articles on here. If I may, can I turn your attention to Singapore billion dollar money laundering case, which the related court cases have been settled recently? – robertsky (talk) 11:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Robertsky, I get what you mean. I also prefer this generally, unless if such a case is exceptionally notable, like the 2019 Orchard Towers murder when I created it in January 2022, two years before that last guy Tan Sen Yang was convicted of murder, or the Chin Swee Road child death of 2014, which I created in April 2023, five months before the father was sentenced for culpable homicide. I did observe the coverage of the rioting case and find it plenty to an extent but refrained from continuing to edit for publication until the first suspect was convicted for this case. I took a different approach for the unsolved cases since they may not be over but still notable. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 11:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @NelsonLee20042020 yeah... But since the other persons are not convicted yet, one can also argue that such article may presume one's guilt by association. And unlike other long unresolved cases, this is one that is in process of being closed, given that there has been court proceedings, albeit with a longer duration. – robertsky (talk) 12:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Robertsky, I also want to seek your advice too. I see that for those American shooting incidents, they created the article right after the cases happen and I did not wish to make assumptions of double standard here, but how is it that their cases were published even though no conviction have happened? NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 12:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @NelsonLee20042020 many a time, these cases are perpetrated by individuals whose identity and/or motivations are known by the time they are arrested or shot dead. Frankly, for most of them, going through the legal system is a matter of weighing how much a punishment one will get, not weighing on whether they are innocent even though the system presumes one's innocent. As for this riot case, there is still an opportunity for some involved to be not convicted of a crime like that of Chan of the 7 in the 2019 Orchard Towers murder. – robertsky (talk) 13:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Robertsky Thank you for the helpful advice and things you said. And for the record, I have checked the hearing list website from the Supreme Court and I saw that at least five of them were likely on bail because their court appearances for next few weeks ahead were mainly about bail review or something, plus pre-trial conferences for some of the others (including those who had bail review). I will see how things go first. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 02:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Sohagcr7 (03:48, 29 June 2024)
I am from Bangladesh --Sohagcr7 (talk) 03:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Cosmic Crusader
I'm writing a comic book series with Ed Annunziata about a time travelling superheroine called Cosmic Crusader. It's going to become more popular than this game, as it is rarely known! --82.18.215.123 (talk) 04:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * OK. Until someone writes about the comic book series on Wikipedia, then we shall see. – robertsky (talk) 05:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

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Question from QuantumCurator (13:31, 4 July 2024)
Hi Robertsky, I was wondering if I could upload an updated map with new color that I have colored using InkScape to update a country from Visa on Arrival to Visa Free (Timor Leste for Thai Passports).

Please let me know if it would follow the rule of copyright. --QuantumCurator (talk) 13:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @QuantumCurator if the map that you coloured in is free of copyright issues, i.e. File:BlankMap-World.svg, it should be fine. – robertsky (talk) 14:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Thank you for your reply. QuantumCurator (talk) 15:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

67.83.125.225
Hi! On 1 July you blocked for 31 hours for disruptive editing. I just wanted to let you know that since the block expired, the user has resumed making the same kind of disruptive edits. I think a longer block may be warranted. I also want to mention that yesterday I added this information to the ANI report about this user, suggesting that the user has been making these kinds of disruptive edits for several years on a variety of IP addresses, but that section was archived today. CodeTalker (talk) 17:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Revdel feedback
Hey, Robertsky! Thanks for your recent feedback on my revdel request (and, more importantly, thank you for dealing with it). I know it's more convenient to have the link for the Earwig report. However, sometimes I'm really only able to link to the Copypatrol report. I don't know how it does it, but Turnitin often manages to pull from very shady/usurped websites, or websites that themselves are hosting copyright violations. In this particular case, it was pulling from its own archived version of a now-dead URL with an expired SSL certificate that my computer was not happy I tried to open. I can't link to those on Wikipedia, so the Copypatrol report is the best I can do. Sorry, I know it's a bit inconvenient, and I really try to minimize how often I do it. In this case, there was apparently a few years old webarchive version I was too lazy to search for that Earwig actually could actually read from.(Shocker, I know) I'll put a bit more effort to track those down in the future.

But while I'm here(and I've been meaning to do this for a couple days so I promise it's not toadying!): GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Youn Sung-ho
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