User talk:Robheus

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Talk:Malaysia Airlines Flight 17
Robheus, a lot of editors are working very hard to create a neutral and complete article. You have made a number of comments that are counterproductive. Now, that article falls under discretionary sanctions, which means that admins have fairly broad latitude to prevent disruption, and blocking editors is one of our means. A quick look at your most recent comments is instructive: this is soapboxing, and this is just dumb--the age-old "I am being oppressed" line. Certainly, one more remark like this one, about the "fascist Kiev government" (and you made a similar remark here) and you will be blocked. As for this "western intelligence" jive, I've already explained to you that Wikipedia does not report "intelligence", it reports reliable sources (the Russian media don't have much of a reputation for free press, so that's unfortunate for your position), and thus your entire critique is based on a false assumption. Continuing to harp on it is disruptive. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:47, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Blocked
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for disruptive editing on an article talk page subject to discretionary sanctions after a final warning. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:42, 24 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Robheus, after examining your edits, particularly that at Talk:Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 and that at User talk:Drmies made after the final warning above, I have revoked your editing rights indefinitely. Neutral point of view is one of our cardinal principles here, and the article in question is subject to discretionary sanctions by ruling of the Arbitration Committee. To be unblocked, you will need to convince another administrator that you will either suspend your political point of view in your edits here, or that you will avoid articles subject to the Arbcom ruling on Eastern European topics. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:42, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Some additions to this:

While the dutch/international research team tries to visit the scene of the incident, the Kiev offensive in the neighourhood of this tragic incident blocks those attempts, causing increasing frustration amongst Dutch parliament members. They probably need to reconsider their trust in the Kiev fascist junta. See this dutch story in VN.

Meanwhile also more civilians have been killed due to Kiev military offensive in this region, and Kiev now also uses surface-to-surface missiles. This kind of attack on the population is more properly called genocide: See the story on Landdestroyer and this story.

More importantly, some experts point at the fact that the kind of holes visible in the debris of MH17 point to the use of ammunition of the kind SU-25 is able of carrying, and can not have been caused by an exploding BUK missile. See this article by a German expert. ((wether this expert is right or wrong, I do not know, but at least the kind of holes that were visible in the debris, DO provide a clue and possible IMPORTANT clue, to what kind of weapon system was in fact used or not used, so at least that kind of research IS important))

The official research team (which are still investigating, although hindered by the Kiev regime) and hope to be able to produce their conclusions within a month.

Another Dutch newspaper mentions the possibility that already american troops have been stationed in Ukrain. Read the story here.

Wiki policies.....

While I have not even been touching the article, just expressed disconsent about the suggestions the article makes (like the MSM does) framing russian and/or seperatist involvement without any proper investigation (also: citing anonymous sources and/or social media sources or sources that have a dubious source, like the fabricated tapes made by the Kiev fascist junta) and only proposed to add sources, for instance russian inteligence which show FACTS, which shed some other perspective in how this incident might have been caused.

Critizing a (possible) bias of Wikipedia article, without having touched the article, is no reason to ban or block someone.

Furthermore, the Wiki police leaves comments on the Talk page (like : Putin labelling as fascists) unpunished, while my comment, labeling the Kiev junta as fascists, was the main cause for a ban or block.

However, the Wiki polici should consider the multitude of factual evidence at the basis of which the Kiev regime can be rightly labelled fascists, because they happen to have significant back up from ultra right-wing groups, using neo-nazi symbols, burning down offices of labour unions and the communist party of ukrain (which now got banned from parliament too) and demolishing war/anti-fascist monument all over Ukrain.

So if you expose those attrocities and make the comment that the Kiev regime is fascist, and indiscriminately target the civilian population in eastern ukrain (which these nazi gangs want to "exterminate" and call the russian speaking minority "subhuman"), you get BANNED from wikipedia!!!

I DO PROTEST AGAINST THIS FASCISTS WIKIPEDIA POLICY!!!!! (at least the Wiki Editor police leaves labelling Putin as fascist un-punished, while in that case, there are no facts to back-ip such a claim!!! (the expression fascist is then unproperly used to show strong dislike, but not everything one dislikes is properly fascist - the Kiev regime on the other hand is murdering Ukrainians and has made clear that they intend to wipe out russian minorities from their soil, calling them "sub-human" !!!!! What more facts do Wikipedia need to label some govt. or group fascist????)

Please remember that 24 million russians were killed by the nazi's during WWII, and that Ukrain was (before WWII) one of the countries with the most severe persecution of jews!!!

(or does Wiki suggest, the 24 million russians killed in WWII was all Putin's fault????)

That same type of nazi-scum (still using their nazi-symbols!!) is now ruling the country, killing it's civilians (it is a FACT that the Ukrain military started the hostilities, not the seperatists!!! They had a REFERENDUM with a clear OUTCOME: 80% of the people rejected the nazi-coup!!!).

Wiki Neutrality at stake

So Wiki says they block me, because of their neutral policies. What is that neutrality?? Giving credibility to fascist junta in Kiev who fabricate so-called evidence and mislead the world (blaming it all on Russia....) Fact is that everybode made statements on that talk page that were very far from neutral, but only some got punished for that!!! The neutrality of the article is still at stake, because at least the article SUGGESTS that the causes direct to the seperatists having shot a BUK missile that downed the airplane.

AT THIS MOMENT THE RESEARCH COMMITTEE HAVE NOT SHOWED THEIR FINAL RESULTSTS!!! So anything that is being said or suggested, should be regarded with high suspicion, and most of all: UNCREDIBLE SOURCES SHOULD NOT EVEN BE MENTIONED!!

(that supposedly is WIKI POLICY right???)

The indisputable facts are amongst others, the number of victims, the place of the incident, the nationalities of the victims, and such like.

About CAUSES we simply do not know the full truth yet, and untill some more reliable investigation report has been presented, even the SUGGESTION as to what the causes were, should not even be in the article. Because ANY SUGGESTION always lead to a certain BIAS!!! (which gets exploited anyhow: the economic sanctions are already in place for instance, while we do not know any russian involvement!!)

SO MY CRITIQUE REMAINS THAT THE ARTICLE (not the whole article, but that specific section which speculates about possible causes) IS BIASED, HENCE VIOLATES WIKI'S NEUTRALITY POLICY!

AT THAT POINT THE ARTICLE CLEARLY VIOLATES NEUTRALITY, BECAUSE THE ARTICLE DOES SUGGEST A PROBABLE CAUSE WITHOUT BACKING THAT CLAIM WITH FACTS!!

All kind of comments, that elaborate on that (possible or probably FALSE statements and FALSE accusations of russian and/or seperatist involvement) did not get punished by the Wiki police!!!!!

So, the POLICY of Wiki has been to ban people that make comments which were not in line with that fabricated (and still UNCONFORMED) story (a story clearly fabricated in advance by the fascist ukrain junta)!!!!!

While I never touched the article itself, I did not add, remove or update any entry in the Wiki article, only pleaded for some additions and removals IN ORDER FOR THE ARTICLE TO BE SOMEWHAT LESS BIASED, and if Wiki merely wants to eliminate all kind of remarks which were already in the article before I made any contribution'which show a strong bias (all my comments were REACTIONS to those biased points of view, merely showing the other side of that bias), it should simply eliminate all those entries which do not add anything to the article itself, without punishing some commentors and leave others unpunished!!!

THAT POLICY SHOWS THAT WIKI POLICIES HAVE NOT BEEN NEUTRAL!!!

You are still ranting, which is why your previous unblock request was denied. It is very unlikely, with your current behavior that you will be unblock. If you continue to rant in your unblock requests, an administrator may block you from editing this talk page. As said before by an administrator, if you do not keep your unblock requests "reasonably short and free of political accusations" your talk page access may be revoked. This is just advice from a non administrator. 電子888說-TALK 03:42, 31 July 2014 (UTC)