User talk:Robin Fletcher

Howard W. Robertson
If you want to improve the article and bring it up to wiki standards, please read the articles linked above in the welcome message, or these main ones: WP:MOS, WP:BIO, and WP:NPOV. Until third party reliable sources are expanded, please do not remove the notability tag. Thank you. Aboutmovies 08:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Please stop reverting the improvements I've made to the article. Check the article's talk page for more suggestions and also be sure to read about ownership of articles. Continued reverting without discussion is considered edit warring and can make you subject to being blocked. Don't revert--discuss. If this continues, I will be putting the article up for deletion. Katr67 15:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ditto, please stop re-adding unencylopedic info. Spend your time improving the sources, or it will be sent to deletion. Aboutmovies 19:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * There is nothing wrong with the article on Howard W. Robertson. It is not unencyclopedic in literary terms (see THE READERS ENCYCLOPEDIA or the Wikipedia entry for John Ashbery as models).  You are trying to make everything fit the same mold.  Literature is different from politics, business, and many other types of entries and a certain literary latitude is allowed, even in encyclopedias.  I appreciate your suggestions; they have improved the article significantly.  Your autocratic tone and manner, however, are not appreciated.  Also, many of your proposed changes actually make the article worse.  One thing you do not seem to realize is that in many cases the web is a primary source these days.  Not everything goes back to a primary source on paper anymore.  Many poetry journals publish online only.  Please stop over-riding my changes and removing my text.  You are in no position to judge the importance of this entry.  Robin Fletcher


 * Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox.  -- Finngall   talk  14:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * To Robin Fletcher. Continued actions such as yours can lead to blocking, see WP:3RR. Additionally, you must read WP:OWN, as no one is removing your text. We are all fully aware that many sources do not publish in paper anymore, online sources are acceptable, you would know that if you took the time to read WP:CITE and WP:RS. We have not been citing these guidelines because we are bored and have nothing better to do. These are guidelines the Wikipedia community has come up with through consensus and everyone is expected to abide by them. With most of your other ponits, see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS as we don't really care about other articles in Wikipedia as they may also need work and things outside of Wikipedia do not matter much (for instance you cannot stone your daughter to death for adultry in this country even though it is OK to do that in some other countries). Wikipedia follows its own rules and guidelines, for better or worse. So until the article meets the manual of style changes will be made, and unconstructive edits will be reverted. You can eiter work with the community on this or continue to work against the community, that's your choice, but going against the community will be unconstructive and a waste of time and energy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aboutmovies (talk • contribs) 19:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You are not the community. You are a single individual volunteer, like me.  I am working with the community to create the best possible article about the poet Howard W. Robertson.  You will notice that there are added references now in the Life section of this article.  Many of your changes make the article worse not better.  This is not what the Wikipedia community wants.  Please stop it or be faced with vandalism charges.  Robin Fletcher 22:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have over 13,000 edits and am very familiar with the rules/policies/guidelines. How familiar are you? If you notice, three editors are attempting to get you to follow these rules. I would suggest you pay attention. As to vandalism, feel free to list the actions at Administrator intervention against vandalism, but again you might want to read the criteria. Aboutmovies 22:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Rules that may apply
Here's some more reading for you, I think it might apply to your Howard W. Robertson edits: our policy on autobiography, and/or our conflict of interest guidelines. Katr67 23:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)