User talk:Robotam/Old Discussions 1

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Vandal Reporting
You shouldalways warn the vandal using the WP:TT warnings, particularly Alpha Phi Alpha, and. After 2 or 3 vandal edits, report them to WP:AIV using the templates provided there. Let me know if you have any further thoughts or need any help from me. Regards Ccson 13:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Need help with filing RfC
A user has been creating a user conduct RfC against NinjaNubian (see Requests for comment/NinjaNubian); this could really use your help in describing the conflict and providing diffs. But, your behaviour will be scrutinized as well if you do decide to go ahead. Ccson 14:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, when you want to sign your name, type 4 keystrokes of tildes (~), this is the key to the left of the number 1 key; use uppercase. this will cause the system to add your user id, time and date of the change once you save the data.

I'm really not sure what else needs to be done on my part. Ccson 15:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Alpha Phi Alpha
Please take a look at ccson, ninjanubian and bearly541. They are all engaged in a edit war. 68.175.26.54 00:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

alpha kappa nu
Alpha kappa nu please take a look at the reference provided.

http://www.msuspokesman.com/media/storage/paper270/news/2006/02/10/CampusLife/Tribute.A.Brief.History.Of.Black.Collegiate.Fraternities.And.Sororities-1614202.shtml?norewrite200609131505&sourcedomain=www.msuspokesman.com

the fraternity is a local black as well as inter collegiate fraternity founded in 1903. Mykungfu 19:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, though I believe the problems with your source have already been discussed. Robotam 19:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

check on the alpha phi alpha page for my response. Mykungfu 19:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I think this needs full discussion at AFD rather than a speedy deletion. Thanks, NawlinWiki 19:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I definately agree. Also please look here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Errabee#In_response.

Mykungfu 19:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

i move to remove the speedy deletion tag. Mykungfu 19:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Articles for deletion/Alpha Kappa Nu
Hey, I saw you were adding an non-existent AfD page to the today's AfD log, and I just wanted to tell you that I made the page for you.

All you have to do now is state why you want Alpha Kappa Nu deleted and you're all set.

Go to Articles for deletion/Alpha Kappa Nu and edit the page and state your reason.

Thanks, and happy editing!

-- Nish kid 64 21:08, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

thanks! Robotam 12:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I signed the page for deletion of the Alpha Kappa Nu article, however; the Sigma Pi Phi article is also an attack article. Do you mind starting the process for its deletion? Ccson 13:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I can't. In the spirit of neutrality, I marked it as a dispute/cleanup, because it could be valid, if factual info were included. administrator told me that since it was an attack page, i should have flagged it for deletion, but to give it a few days. Robotam 13:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

NinjaNubian RfC
The RfC for NinjaNubian was removed until we are finished writing it. The page Requests for comment/NinjaNubian still exists, and can be worked on so the case can be presented. Errabee 22:40, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you. posted by Mykungfu 64.131.205.160 00:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Mykungfu/NinjaNubian, is there a reason you left a retaliatory template on my homepage under an anonymous IP? You should always sign such things under your own name.Robotam 12:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

that is poor wiki manners posted by Mykungfu 205.188.116.138 17:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Darcy has opened a new sockpuppetry allegation (Suspected_sock_puppets/Mykungfu_%282nd%29) against User:Mykungfu, who is evading his block via anonymous IPs and via User:StrangeApples. If you have evidence to provide of similar behavior across these IDs, please add it to the article. Thanks. Ccson 12:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you explain this edit please?
has an edit summary of afd, but you didn't place an afd template on the page. Did you forget it? Syrthiss 11:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Heh ok. Just wanted to make sure.  FWIW, my personal opinion is that if someone had to do so much cleanup on an article that barely any of the existing article would appear in the new text its better to send it to afd: either the article will be deleted and someone can start it fresh without having to deal with the poorly sourced text or people looking at afd will make a stab at improving the article to salvage it.  In any case, I'd say lets wait a few days and take another look...and you can reply here, or we can continue the conversation on my talk page if you have any questions. :) Syrthiss 12:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again for your suggestions and comments. Robotam 12:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Vaughn Lowery
I agree that Mr. Lowery has done nothing which embodies the goals and ideas of Alpha Phi Alpha that warrant his inclusion from over 175,000 possible. I think NN had other reason for including Lowery, probably some personal characteristic that would embarass the fraternity. There's a lenghty discussion on the Alpha Phi Alpha talk page regarding the inclusion of Barry and Lowery. It was never agreed that they should be included, however; I got tired of the revert war, and Ninjanubian added them. The name was initially in the intro, but I have moved it to its current section. Andrew Young and Maynard Jackson are included in the Intro paragraph as well as the "Membership" section of the article. You may want to create a new discussion on removing Lowery's name, and of course I will support this. Ccson 13:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Maynard Jackson and Andrew Young over Marion Barry and David Dinkins? Why are the first 2 in the intro and the other 2 in the later discussion. posted by Mykungfu 205.188.116.138 17:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Mykungfu
Mykungfu, I see that you are having some problems with Wikipedia policy. for your benefit, WP policy clearly defines your recent acts of removing AfD templates and non-harassing user comments as vandalism:


 * Avoidant vandalism: Removing, copyvio and other related tags in order to conceal deletion candidates or avert deletion of such articles. Note that this is often mistakenly done by new users who are unfamiliar with *fD procedures and such users should be given the benefit of the doubt and pointed to the proper page to discuss the issue.
 * Changing people's comments: Editing signed comments by another user to substantially change their meaning (e.g. turning someone's vote around), except when removing a personal attack (which is somewhat controversial in and of itself). Signifying that a comment is unsigned is an exception. e.g. (unsigned comment from user)
 * Talk page vandalism: Deleting the comments of other users from article Talk pages, aside from removal of internal spam, or deleting entire sections of talk pages, is generally considered vandalism. Removing personal attacks is often considered legitimate, and it is considered acceptable to archive an overly long Talk page to a separate file and then remove the text from the main Talk page. The above does not apply to the user's own Talk page, where users generally are permitted to remove and archive comments at their discretion, except in cases of legitimate warnings, which they are generally prohibited from removing, especially where the intention of the removal is to mislead other editors.

please take note. Thank you, and happy editing! -Robotam 15:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

You should seriously look into reading and applying it yourself. Mykungfu 01:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I do. thanks for the reminder, and if I can do anything to help you follow the guidelines, let me know! -Robotam 13:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

MKF has moved on because an admin blocked his ID for 1 week becaue he removed the note you left from sythsis regarding the sockpuppet template. Plus, the admin has semiprotected the Kappa Alpha Psi page, so he's no longer able to update the actual article using an AOL IP address. The semiprotect of the Alpha page is what caused him to create the NinjaNubian id, and then the MKF id after claiming he forgot his password.
 * he saw that you left me the Hellpot award and copied it to his MKF id, of course, he's the good guys, and darcy, me, and you are the antagonists. Ccson 16:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
Removed per Wiki Notes for the suspect.-Robotam 16:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW - At the moment I have full protection on MrDarcy's and Bearly451's userpages. If Mykungfu's block evading and harassment are annoying you I can either semi or full protect your userpage as well.  Syrthiss 11:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds great, I would appreciate the same. -Robotam 12:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, its done. Let me or any other admin know when you want it released. Syrthiss 12:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * thanks -Robotam 14:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Blah. Considering Mykungfu is blocked at the moment and we can't block AOLs for more than short spurts, you want this page semiprotected? Its either that or just continue to revert his crap. :/ Semiprotection means that newly registered accounts and anons wouldn't be able to post here. You can reply here and let me know, or if you have and I haven't responded try my email link Syrthiss 17:40, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

sure, semiprotect is fine. Mykungfu doesn't irritate me personally, but I have to draw the line at the racist language. -Robotam 17:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yah, same with me. Ok, its semiprotected. Same deal, when you want it lifted let me or another admin (at WP:RFPP know. Syrthiss 17:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

BTW - not that this is a surprise, but the CheckUser came back definitively negative on you and Ccson (ie unlike Mykungfu's, you are definitely not Ccson). Feel free to revert any blather from MKF on sight regarding this issue. Syrthiss 11:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the award Bearly541

Sigma Pi Phi
I would ask you to go over the current page, large amounts have been removed and cleared up in order to maintain a npov. i) With the grammatical errors, feel free to help correct them while maintaining npov. ii) References are provided, i.e. home page of the sigma pi phi fraternity and it's regional chapter websites. why wouldn't these be strong enough? iii)the undergraduate chapters statement has been removed.

Anything else? Mykungfu 21:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Planet Rock
Mate, what have you done to this page. It used to link to a radio station, but now it links to a disambig. page, which contains links to a new page created for the radio station. I don't mean to be rude, but you seem to have fucked it up slightly. Could someone who has a better understanding of wiki please help sort this out? Thanks Anon Dude 08:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've sorted this out myself mate. Don't worry Anon Dude 16:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Anon Dude, thanks for your input. the link is not improper, a mistake, or out of the ordinary.  the disambiguation page is there for a reason. A disambig page is proper when a single term can be associated with more than one topic.  The way the page was created sent you to a disambig page which linked back to the original page, in addition to other meanings.  A wiki user searching for "Planet Rock" is just as likely to be searching for one of the other meanings as the digital radio station.  This way, the radio station is not hidden, and neither are the other uses of the term. See other examples here and here.  Thanks! -Robotam 14:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

OK. You don't seem to understand. Planet Rock (as it stands after your edit) is not a dsambig page as it does not have (disambiguation) in the title. Planet Rock (disambiguation) IS a disambig. page as it has the word in the title. If you go to Planet Rock at the moment and click on 'What Links here' you will find that ALL enteries (bar a couple which can be changed easily) mean to link to Planet Rock (the Radio Station). Your edits to this have actually made it harder to get to the Planet Rock (radio station) - par example, if you go to Gcap Media and click on 'Planet Rock' instead of getting to the radio station instantly you now have to go through a new page to get there. Also if you go to Planet Rock - The Single and Album and click on 'What links here' you see that all the pages want to link to The Single and Album - none of them want to link to the radio station. I will revert this back to how it was soon, unless you have any objections.Anon Dude 17:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification on "Planet Rock." Howewver the point still is true, and looking at the links, there are more than a couple that have nothing to do with the radio station that point directly to Planet Rock. Check out Mercury, the page given as an example of a DA page within the WP primer on disambiguation, which also does not have "(disambiguation)" in the title. Without even getting to the user pages, the links that intend to point to something other than the radio station are close if not equal to those pointing to the radio station:

Radio Station (18) Led Zeppelin, Rick Wakeman, Leicester Square, Alice Cooper, Ian Anderson (musician), Sky Digital (UK & Ireland), List of radio stations in the United Kingdom, Power FM 98.1 FM, B-Rock 99.3FM, New FM, GCap Media, Nick Abbot, Digital One, Core (radio station), Nicky Horne, Winchburgh, Image:Planetrock.jpg, Planet Rock (Radio Station) (redirect page)

Other than Radio Station (14) Timeline of trends in music (1980-1989), Music history of the United States (1980s to the present), Electro (music), Chris Barbosa, Timeline of trends in music from the United States (1970-present), John Benitez, Arthur Baker (musician), Planet Rock (disambiguation), Talk:Generation X/Archive01, Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/List of notable songs/10, Warrior princess, Winchburgh, Image:Planetrock.jpg, Frosty Freeze

If you think I did a crappy job (!) of creating the page and links, I'll completely accept that critique and and get an admin to do it in a more proper way, but IMO, the topic clearly warrants the Topic "Planet rock" pointing to a disambig page. I'm fine with RfC or mediation as well, if you wish.-Robotam 19:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, fair enough. I was probably being a bit harsh on you. The current Planet Rock page however should be renamed Planet Rock (disambiguation) to show it is a dismabig page. A slightly minor point perhaps Planet Rock - (The Radio Station) should be renamed Planet Rock (radio station) as these type of things are normally done in lower case. Anon Dude 12:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Now, now, don't go all mushy on me, I can admit newbie mistakes. I think the point, whether minor or not, is definitely valid, and will limit confusion.  Thanks, Anon Dude -Robotam 12:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Minor point, but probably best to be Planet Rock (radio station without the dash. Anon Dude 07:50, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Mykungfu
Don't come to my talk page to taunt another editor. Don't do it anywhere, really, but in particular don't do it on my talk page. | Mr. Darcy talk 19:37, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Not being facetious, MrDarcy, but what are you referring to as a taunt? I'll gladly remove it.-Robotam 19:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I removed it already. You came to my talk page and tried to get into it again with Mykungfu. I'm asking you to keep that off my talk page. | Mr. Darcy talk 19:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * That wasn't my intent, but I certainly will respect your request. The "racially charged epithet" Mykungfu referred to is the one he left on my talk page, which is one of many reasons why an admin protected it.-Robotam 20:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Mykungfu and AfD
Hi,

I have blocked him again, and referred the case to AN/I for supervision, since blocking policy is not my specialty. The AfD is now quite a mess, isn't it? I think I'll just watch it very closely, and close it myself, so no other admin should bother you over any of the copy-and-pasted quotations. I can't imagine any non-admin not already involved in this dispute would try to decipher that debate.

By the way, I meant the description "confused" to apply to the DRV as a whole (which became a mess), not to you as nominator -- sorry for the misunderstanding. :) Best wishes, Xoloz 20:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, no offense taken. Thanks for your guidance and clarification.-Robotam 12:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Removing semi-protection
Hi. I've removed the semi-protection on your talk page. I know that vandalism of talk pages can be a problem, but it's important that users be able to be contacted by newbies with questions and concerns about things they don't understand. I hope you understand - please feel free to contact me with any questions. Phil Sandifer 19:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Alpha Phi Alpha dead link
I see our "old friend" is back. thanks for updating the dead link. I think you and "him" (since he'll be checking your page) migh view the wikpedia policy on Dead Link, Citing sources. It provides ways on recovering the page, however; if it cannot be found, they suggest leaving the original link, or entering archive and the first know date that the link was dead. Thanks again for your help. Ccson 07:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the info.-Robotam 13:35, 18 October 2006 (UTC)