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Hi Robinvee i notice that you told me i added unreliable resources to Encore from eminem when year end billboard album charts said that it was second behind 50 cent's The Massacre. I also noticed that you said i put unreliable resources for the dates it was recorded when it was recorded from 2002 to 2004 running a two year span. The also sold 8.7 million copies in the US alone as of 2015 so please revert and add those changes back please thanks. yours sincerely. I also apologise for any inconvenience that I was rude and i also apologise for my disruptive editing on albums with unreliable resources it is just that i think that they should be updated by now and seeing how long the album spends its weeks on the chart and how successful it is well it is time we update it even if no reliable source has been given just as a suggestion even though it is against rules but again i apologise and as for Jesus Piece that album must have sold well more than the RED album which is also by The Game by the way.
 * Firstly, your Billboard link on the Encore edit is broken, hence my reverting as unreliable. Secondly, regardless of whether figures are outdated or not, we are bound by the rules to only add sourced information per Reliable Sources. There is no margin for error regarding this and it is especially important when it comes to things like genre's, release and recording dates, singles released etc...Hope this makes sense. Good luck and let me know if you need a hand with something.  Rob van  vee  11:41, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi I understand the policy and rules of wikipedia but if it's possible is there a way i could add Encore on the end of the year charts along with The Eminem Show on all time charts. I would also like to request for a two Wiz Khalifa albums for 2016 one which is called Khalifa and the other Rolling Papers 2: The Weed Album if that is possible thank you and p.s the former has a release date for January while the latter is scheduled for 2016 if it is possibel to create the pages that would be helpful thanks.
 * I don't really understand what it is that you're asking. I'm not sure what you want to add what to. The main thing to remember is that the information added is factual, relevant, notable and is clearly sourced with inline citations. If you want to create articles for these forthcoming albums, the same rules apply. Practice it first using an already existing article as a template in your sandbox until you have it sorted. Also, see the Articles for Submission page which will guide you through the process. Requesting an article be created is not an option on Wikipedia. It's all up to you but just make sure you understand how or else you may feel deflated by the constant reverting. You may also consider [ creating an account] which is a prerequisite for certain editing privileges (experienced editors also take registered users more seriously than I.P.'s). Good luck and happy editing.  Rob van  vee  15:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * That editor has been adding deliberate false information (certification for example can be checked, and he apparently just add random millions to sales), over a hundred edits and most got reverted. Such behavior is not acceptable. Hzh (talk) 15:55, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I have seen exactly what you are talking about Hzh, always a new I.P. address, but the same disruptive editing. I'm assuming good faith here. Lets hope for some improved editing or there will be constant reverting and an eventual ban on their editing privileges.  Rob van  vee  16:04, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

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Pass to past ("Just Lose It") by Eminem)
Hi Rob!

I was reading the page you wrote about Eminem's song "Just Lose It" when I believe I spotted a typo. When Steve Harvey notes, in the Controversy section, "Eminem has lost his ghetto pass. We want the pass back." both instances of pass should be past. Not trying to call you out. Just wanted to say something. The article was great to read!

-Thomas
 * Hi Thomas. I am glad you like the page but to be honest, I never wrote it. It is a collaborative effort by people like you and I. Be bold and make the changes, especially to things like spelling and grammar. We always need extra eyes. Thanks for any constructive efforts you make! Happy editing... Rob van  vee  07:39, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Gorillaz - The Fall (album)
What's the point in having no genre there at all. I mean the musical qualities of the album are pretty much self explanatory J.A.F (talk) 20:10, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Good question! I guess consensus amongst the community is that it's better to leave it without a genre than have every interested editor adding their unsourced opinion. As such, new or modified genres need to be sourced. Most commonly accepted genres for albums are usually fairly easy to source. Hope this makes sense.  Rob van  vee  06:38, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * My first ever barnstar! Much appreciated Retrohead.  Rob van  vee  17:09, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Noel Gallagher
You told me to add a reliable source to prove those two Oasis albums topped the charts. Why don't you just look at the groups discography for that? They were clearly UK #1 albums. The fact the Noel Gallagher article makes out them to be flops is ridiculous and not the truth at all.

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Hello, I'm Oulipal. My apologies for not having provided a reliable source for my change to the Mogwai article. I simply forgot and that is entirely my fault. I have now added three sources. I have noticed, however, that many of your contributions consist merely of reverting changes to articles. In the future, please do consider looking for reliable sources yourself (even a cursory 30-second online search will often do, as was the case with my minor change to the Mogwai article). And, if none are available or easily attainable, then reverting those changes would be, of course, entirely valid. Thank you. Oulipal (talk) 16:51, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for providing those sources. Yes, a lot of my time is spent reverting bad edits, an arduous task as important as the addition of well cited material and one that does not necessarily allow me the time to source other people's unsourced edits. WP:V says "The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material". Thank you.  Rob van  vee  17:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

New section
Hello Robvanvee,

Thank you for writing me the letter. Indeed from my music experience I would call a few Depeche Mode albums Industrial (80's works) or Industrial rock (90's works). But I wouldn't change anything if I would't confirm it. I believe wikipedia pages are reliable, and they show that some of the albums as "Ultra" do have indistrial/industrial rock sound. Thats why I decided to add those styles to the list of band's page.

Sencerely, Asei Vakai — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asei vakai (talk • contribs) 11:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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Life in the Streets
It is very weird I got this personal message from you regarding my small edit in Life in the Streets album. Besides that this album is well known for its Eurodance character, there is reference inside the article where this is mentioned too. Clicklander (talk) 14:47, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Then add a footnote.  Rob van  vee  15:18, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

You are welcome Clicklander (talk) 16:11, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Get Britain Out
The changes I have made to this page is correct. The website that you state is not the website of the organisation the page is related too. Get Britain Out Ltd. and getbritainout.org are separate to the Anti common market league. Please reinstate the changes that were made.

Yours Faithfully

Get Britain Out — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.234.61 (talk) 16:36, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

KAND is not a DFW station
Hello:

KAND serves an area outside the DFW area. When a claim is made that a station serves the DFW area when the signal strength is too low then the claim is false. It is true that the 0.5 mV/m contour does extend beyond Dallas, it does not cover any portion of Fort Worth. The 2.0 mV/m contour does not reach any portion of Dallas County or Tarrant County. I am on or near the the 0.5 mV/m contour and the signal is not a local signal. Most people would tune out quickly when presented with such a low quality signal. I consider my edit to reflect the reality of this situation. If my edit is considered "unconstructive" [I have never heard that word. Perhaps you should ask that it be added to a dictionary.] and the edit has been reverted, then my confidence in Wikipedia has been diminished.

I mean no disrespect but I do like truth and therefore edited the KAND page to tell the truth.

Best regards,

James Johnson

Arlington, Texas

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So your telling me that Initiation Tape: Isle of Avalon Edition is worth mentioning but Shader Complete and Fuji Grid TV: EX not? Why? --93.70.8.116 (talk) 17:28, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm saying if you want to add any info it needs to be sourced per WP:V.  Rob van  vee  19:58, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It's in the official bandcamp page of Vektroid, isn't that enough verifiable? --93.70.8.116 (talk) 20:23, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Per WP:V...The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material.  Rob van  vee  08:50, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you need help adding references?  Rob van  vee  08:51, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Mick Harvey
Hi, it looks like you removed some inline citations from this article.Design (talk) 00:11, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. Reverting unconstructive edits in haste is probably what caused this. Replaced info. Thanks again  Rob van  vee  05:51, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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Nevermind singles
Hi, I just wanted to note that "On a Plain" was in fact a charting single from Nevermind. I am confused why you would remove it from the album singles box, given its status as both a single (music) in the literal interpretation as a single song release from Nevermind and that of a song that is popular enough to chart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.146.155.193 (talk) 14:58, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi. The conversation is happening here as initiated by you. Cheers.  Rob van  vee  16:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

The Needle Drop
Why is the The Needle Drop not a reliable source. He is a respected music critic and knows the ins and outs of music. I don't get it, why is this source unreliable??? J.A.F (talk) 13:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This page may answer your question.  Rob van  vee  13:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

William Orbit
Hi mate, I am doing some changes to William Orbit's Wiki page as I work for William. I don't know Wiki well enough, is this "talk" thing public?, I'd like to confirm who I am but not in public! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rshea (talk • contribs) 08:07, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey man, yeah, anything you say here (main space or talk pages) is visible in the public domain. May I suggest you read this as an introduction to what I imagine you are planning to do? The wiki is pretty strict on BLP issues so best to familiarise yourself with these policies or else you may get constantly reverted. Good luck and shout if I can help.  Rob van  vee  08:42, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Mate, can you help?, I just don't get it. I'm a web programmer but this stuff makes no sense to me. Why can't I simply use an Inline citations for example? I uploaded the new bio to williamorbit.com/bio as a source to confirm this is written from a reliable source that has access to William Orbit's official site. Is there anyone else here who'll allow this CONFIRMED reliable source bio to be updated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rshea (talk • contribs) 09:43, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * There are 2 main issues here as already pointed out to you in the links I provided. The first is that you didn't provide an inline citation as is required for all BLP additions, you merely provided a URL in your edit summery. I would be happy to help, however, and this brings me to the 2nd problem: you may not copy and paste from another website as it constitutes a copyright violation. I did provide you with these links and again urge you to familiarise yourself with them. In a nutshell, you will need to re-write the info so it is not copied and pasted and once you have, I would be happy to help you with the inline citation. Let me know if this makes sense. Another suggestion, sign your comments with four tildes (~). This will leave your name, date and time.  Rob van  vee  10:18, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so far - but this is the bit I can't get my head around, I uploaded the Bio to williamorbit.com/bio as proof/source and considered that the citation link, but you you say I can't use that if the text is the same!!!! So are you saying, if I delete that Bio at williamorbit.com, upload the original here again, but sign my name with four tildes (~) that is good enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rshea (talk • contribs) 15:46, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Rshea. Been away for the weekend so sorry for replying late. No mate, forget the tildes, I'm confusing you. That's just for signing at the end of your comment on these "talk" pages. Let me start again: leave williamorbit.com/bio as it is. I'm assuming this is his official web page. The info you want to put on his Wikipedia page will need to be rewritten sadly so as to not violate the copy-paste policy mentioned earlier. You can't enter it verbatim as you did previously. If you read the links I sent you, you will know why this is so. Once you have done that let me know and I'll help with the referencing. The wiki takes BLP issues very seriously and anyone could claim to be William's PA, fill in some dubious info and the next thing you know Will's laying a defamation suit against wikimedia or something to that effect. Also, you need to keep the tone of your text as neutral as possible and stick to subject matter that is not promotional. Does this all make sense now?  Rob van  vee  16:44, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks mate, but no - it's not logical to me, and so I'll remove the bio from his official site (which I've just done) as I want the primary source of this bio on Wiki. And I'll put out some requests online to fans who'll perhaps can do this, I can code in PHP/ASP/JS but Wiki's system is beyond me. Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rshea (talk • contribs) 11:29, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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Ray Narvaez is Gone
Hi, there. Me again.

So, I was looking for the Ray Narvaez, Jr. page added in December last year.

But when I came around to it, it was gone.

The link went straight to the Achievement Hunter page.

Why is that?

Was it deleted?

I figured I would ask, since I asked you about the page in December before.

Do you know why it's gone?

98.162.137.30 (talk) 17:17, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Without looking into it too much, I can only assume the page was merged into Achievement Hunter and the Ray Narvaez page was turned into a redirect. This is sometimes done when editors feel there is not enough info on a page to warrant its inclusion into the wiki and its info is merged into the related article. I imagine this may have been debated at the time but perhaps you missed that.  Rob van  vee  10:23, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Featured article candidates/Title TK/archive1
Hi Robvanvee, how are you doing? A while back you expressed admiration for this article. I've now nominated at FAC. If you happen to be interested in participating in the review, I'd be very grateful for any comments or feedback. Thank you. Moisejp (talk) 02:28, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You bet. I've been following your progress on Title TK for a while and think you have done an astounding job for an awesome album. Well done and see you there.  Rob van  vee  04:57, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

RE:
I am not vanderlizing. I am added stuff that are confirmed & official. Thank you. Hihiimpal (talk) Hihiimpal (talk) 08:48, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Then please follow protocol and insert inline citations. None of your edits are sourced and as such may be challenged.  Rob van  vee  11:35, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

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I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love
Actually, the source was a quiz. One of the results of the quiz calls I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love screamo. EuropeanSwedenAmerican2222 (talk) 00:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This is not an acceptable source for a genre.  Rob van  vee  06:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Metallica (album)
From the same article: "Sputnikmusic's Nick Butler called the album an improvement over the band's previous album and commended Metallica for taking a creative and commercial risk with what he said is 'not Metallica's best, perhaps, but still a solid, enjoyable hard rock record'." --BenStein69 (talk) 18:45, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * My apologies! I had been reverting genre warring for some time and realise I was hasty in my reversion.  Rob van  vee  16:07, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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Do not spam me. Thank you. Pizzaandchips11 (talk) Pizzaandchips11 (talk) 15:15, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't add content unless it's sourced or I'll revert it again.  Rob van  vee  17:53, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

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You are apparently an user who works with a twinkle, this tool is a plea. My edits were explained on 27 June with summaries. Look at the history of the article next time. Carliertwo (talk) 12:55, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Adding an Imgur meme link to upcoming Tool album...as a joke.
I received your message about my addition not having a valid reference, but I would like to know concretely, if possible, whether or not that was considered vandalism. Given Tool's inability to let fans know when (or if) a new album will be released, and considering I made the title and the link to the Imgur-provided reference correctly, was it all technically vandalism, regardless? My reasoning in adding this funny (and temporary, of course) addition was that the actual members of the Tool band organization wouldn't be bothered, much less notice, this small alteration to the Wikipedia page about them. If you disagree and/or this goes strictly against Wikipedia's fundamental standards, my apologies; I just figured it would add some humor for other Tool fans out there like myself, until the hypothetical Tool album is actually released.

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 * No matter what, no inappropriate humor is allowed on Wikipedia. Also, in would confuse non-Tool fans, whoever he is. Clubjustin  Talkosphere  08:30, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Avril Lavigne sales
hi,please update Avril album sales she has sold more than 42M album to date not 30M/35M albums anymore.U can see the receipt on Therichest.com website if u didnt believe me.And for the Girlfriend sales whiches i have changed back then,u can see the receipt on Atrl .Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by Undermypotema (talk • contribs) 16:54, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Van Breda murders
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 * Take the time to read the message I left on your talk page. Genre changes or additions need to be sourced, as with all information on Wikipedia.  Rob van  vee  18:59, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

John Romero
Hello. I actually left the source in the Edit Summary. I'm not sure whether or not you saw that, but I have an official source, so there is no need to revert my edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doommaster1994 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi. FB is not an acceptable source for WP:BLP. Also, just putting your source in the edit summery is not actually sourcing. Please see WP:Citing sources. Cheers.  Rob van  vee  07:21, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Cyberstalking
Why are you following stalking my edits? You know that is called hounding and is against wikipedia. If you have a problem let's discuss it on an administrators page, and If you are an admin make sure you understand sources aren't needed everytime you edit. Let me be. Thank You.--73.203.218.13 (talk) 01:17, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually most of the articles you edit are on my watch list and I don't think you are the right person to be advising me on what is against Wikipedia. If you were, then you would know that all material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable. And per the same article: the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material...aka you. Please source your edits or they will be reverted. Thank you.  Rob van  vee  13:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

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New section
Hi! I appreciate your concern. However, I know Tame Impala extensively and I know genres. So, in spite of your normal editing etiquette, I believe this edit (along with my other edits) was appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.112.124 (talk) 01:00, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sadly, your "extensive" knowledge of genres won't suffice here. Only a reference to a reliable source will.  Rob van  vee  06:58, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Your technicalities bore me. Music is not sourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.112.124 (talk) 08:05, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

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William Orbit wikipedia entry
I am the manager of William Orbit. I am trying very hard to update his wikipedia data. I am not including any data that is not verifiable. The only thing I can do to make it more verifiable for your approval is to add links, which I can certainly do, to the data so that it can be more easily verified by going to other wikipedia entries. This is factual information that has been on his wikipedia for several years, and recently has been rewritten to add missing information. I have noticed that whenever I personally, or William's IT guy try to make entries, you are taking it down and I don't understand your explanation for doing so.Pauby Taylor (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:05, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Pauby. Wikipedia is very strict on autobiographical content, especially related to living people as I explained to the last guy. Please read this policy covering the issue. If you want to add any new information on said subject it absolutely has to be sourced to some reliable publication, either on the web or accessible print medium. Imagine everyone interested in the article claimed to be his publicist or It guy and added whatever they liked. How do you verify the info? This policy exists to protect Wikipedia and Mr Orbit. If the info you have is verifiable, I'd be happy to help you with inserting links to those sources. Please tell me this makes sense? I tried so hard to explain to the It guy.  Rob van  vee  16:24, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, I have a question about editing an article. You already know that I tried editing the Rage Against the Machine article without a reliable source. Would it be better to say "Rage Against the Machine could be considered dada" instead of "Many people consider them to be dada" or would that also need a source? — DBear26
 * Hi DBear26. Either way you would need to source that. In fact anything added to Wikipedia should be sourced especially material that may be challenged. Are you familiar with adding sources? Shout if you need a hand. Also, If you hit the ~ button 4 times it will automatically sign your comment with your name, date and time. Try it in your sandbox.  Rob van  vee  18:35, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

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In order to better control the quality  of new pages, keep out the spam, and welcome the genuine newbies, the current system we introduced in 2011 is being updated and improved. The documentation and tutorials have also been revised and given a facelift. Most importantly a new user group New Page Reviewer has been created.

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Stub types
Greetings! Thanks for your note on my talk page. The complete list of stub types can be found here. Some of us stub sorters like to keep the clear by assigning a more specific stub template to an article, which usually bumps it into a category patrolled by editors more familiar with the article's topic. Feel free to use any of the stub templates listed - or just use stub and it'll get sorted by our crew. For more information take a look at WikiProject_Stub_sorting. Cheers! Her Pegship (talk) 19:05, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

About referencing legal codes in other languages
Hi, I saw your comment about my page Recognition (Family Law) and I agree about the need for references, but I can only really point to the law itself and it is not available in English (for obvious reasons). It is OK to link to an online version of the law in the other language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kleptog (talk • contribs) 22:40, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Kleptog. Yes, that's fine. Pages can be translated. Also, if you hit the (~) button 4 times at the end of your comments it will automatically sign your signature, time and date. Good luck!  Rob van  vee  09:39, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

BBC 12-hour Editathon - large influx of new pages & drafts expected
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I'll see to it. Thanks. --Katafore (talk) 17:04, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Unreferenced tag on "List of Christian Martyrs"
Hello - you added an "unreferenced" tag to the article List of Christian martyrs. I don't think this article has ever had references and I didn't know they were necessary for list articles of this type. The article was absolute dross until a few years ago when I did a lot of work on the first two sections, "Apostolic Age" and "Age of Martyrdom" which is all I know about, or am interested in. I find "drive by" tags like this rather annyoying, if someone thinks the article needs references, why not add references instead of adding a tag telling others to do it? Those tags are not supposed to sit there saying "This article is crap" to anyone who happens to come across it, what needs to be done to take that tag off, at least off the first two sections? Thanks18:01, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The article/list still needs to be sourced as per all information on Wikipedia. If someone stumbled on that page and was hoping to do some research, he needs to know the article is unsourced and therefore potentially unusable for any form of research. This also means that the list/article is of a fairly poor standard on the scale of Wikipedia's quality assessment of articles. Try not to see the tagging as a negative thing. To most experienced editors it's a positive thing and we don't see the article as "crap" as you put it. It will inspire other editors to do what is being requested in the tag, and once that's done the tag can be removed, all the while improving the quality of the article. BTW what stops a vandal adding a legitimate sounding unreferened name to the list? In fact, how do we know any of this as it stands is legitimate? And lastly, I have plenty of work to do on this project and don't have time to add references to the thousands of unsourced articles. As per WP:UNSOURCED: The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material.  Rob van  vee  17:48, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:UNSOURCED also says " you are encouraged to provide an inline citation yourself before considering whether to remove or tag it." But,as you say, you are too busy slapping tags on hundreds of articles to do that.The first two sections of that article, which are the ones I went to a lot of work to improve, are all blue linked to the main wiki article on the subject so the information can be verified that way.Smeat75 (talk) 16:08, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Reload genre
Please check the edit history and summaries at Reload (Metallica album) before reverting and slapping a warning on my talk page. I was merely re-adding a genre that was already cited in the article, which another IP removed before without any explanation. I also added the cite to the infobox now, so maybe now that should avoid some confusion. 75.129.101.158 (talk) 02:09, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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