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 * Perhaps you should also consider making it a little harder for IPs to create articles!  Rob van  vee  06:56, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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New Page Review - newsletter No.3
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Long-term abuse/Nu metal genre warrior from Texas
Though same editing style, recent IPs were currently located in Russia that focus on Psychosocial (song). Can you keep an eye of the page? 183.171.180.207 (talk) 07:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Added to my watchlist! Cheers.  Rob van  vee  07:36, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

PJ Harvey
Hi Robvanvee,

Yesterday I added a sentence about PJ Harvey's parents' friendship with Rolling Stones founder and keyboardist Ian Stewart. She talked about this in an audio interview with Rock's Backpages editor Barney Hoskyns to which I can't offer a link since it was a download from their members-only archive. However I looked for an online source, and found an entry on the subject at the Telegraph. My question for you: Is that newspaper a trustworthy source for wikipedia? Please have a look:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopfeatures/8433057/Sixth-Stone-gets-his-place-in-history.html

Kind regards from Austria,

Simon (Les Pelicules)
 * Hi Simon. Sorry for reverting but with biography's of living people all information added needs to be cited. Yes, I would say that is definitely a reliable source. Let me know if I can assist with anything else. Happy editing.  Rob van  vee  15:05, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

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editing articles
Hey,

I don't come here often on these talk pages.

It's not my intention to get wrong information across this Wikipedia encyclopedia. As I'm a fan of Depeche Mode & James Bond I know a lot about it. So I'm usually not wrong about my info.

Often I see several info missing, wrong, ... There's still something missing on the Depeche Mode & James Bond pages.

I just wanted to help, but I don't care anymore. Just haven't got the ambition to search for the right links or be an editor when one of those million other users change it seconds later.

Thanks for the warning, but I'll try to leave things as they are on Wikipedia.

Greetings,
 * Sorry to hear you feel that way but un/fortunately all info especially new info needs to be reliably sourced even if you know a lot about the subject. In fact, any unsourced info may be deleted if an editor decides it needs to be or should be sourced. I know sourcing is a pain but it's what gives Wikipedia validity.  Rob van  vee  14:19, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

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Once in a Lifetime
What exactly, in this case, would constitute a 'reliable' source? 2602:30A:C02F:5C50:A03C:8D20:FD23:D5B8 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:20, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Why don't you start here.  Rob van  vee  07:27, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

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The Needle Drop
Would you be willing to weigh in this discussion regarding The Needle Drop should be count as an reliable source or not. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 03:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * While I think the guy is a dick, I don't know enough about his work to know whether it could be considered reliable or not. I was merely enforcing existing policy. My gut feel is unreliable though. Either way, it seems this discussion has petered out?  Rob  van  vee  15:15, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry I didn't understand in that last part. What do you mean by "petered out"? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 10:29, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I mean...it looks like the conversation was last edited a few days ago and has since gone a bit quiet. Has a consensus been reached? Would my commenting still make any difference?  Rob van  vee  16:09, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The conversation is still going, you can find the latest comment here. The reason I ask you to join in the conversation because I see editors keep adding The Needle Drop in The Money Store article recently. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 14:19, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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Source
"providing a source or establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first" lol ok, the source is literally the Allmusic entry. I guess Allmusic isn't a reliable source for genres? if so the genre section can stay blank until someone finds a source for it or establishes consensus on the talk page. 00090R (talk) 15:49, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Firstly, you need to use in-line citations. The fact that there is an Allmusic article on the album doesn't classify as a "source". Secondly, as per this page, The Allmusic sidebar is not considered reliable on Wikipedia. I have no intention of pissing on your battery here but all info on Wikipedia needs to be reliably sourced, especially genre's and dates on music related articles.  Rob van  vee  16:40, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * aren't the rest of the Gastr del Sol genres unsourced? idk if I should delete them 00090R (talk) 17:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with the artist specifically but yes, any info that is unsourced may be removed if another editor challenges the validity of the addition. Just be careful because sometimes the genre is sourced lower down in the musical description/style section or the critical reception. Allmusic is acceptable as a source as long as the genre is quoted in the prose and not from the sidebar (for some reason the sidebar is not considered reliable). Hope that helps.  Rob van  vee  05:43, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * Howzit.  Rob van  vee  11:09, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
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Genres
Just a question; why are you only removing the genres I add and not the other unsourced genres? There are so many other unsourced genres that you decide to keep, but if I add it then you remove it. Plus, I think we should have placeholder genres until we have sourced ones to replace them. SuperLuigi22 (talk|contribs) 14:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to remove genre's that are unsourced and my reverting you is not personal. I strongly disagree with that suggestion and I think most other editors would too. Personally I would rather not see a genre than have to see people adding genre's ad nauseam each with their own interpretation. Please stick to adding genre's that are sourced as this improves the validity of Wikipedia. Thank you.  Rob van  vee  18:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Improve an article request
Hello, sir, I want your help very much for improve an draft article. Name- Draft:Aap Ke Aa Jane Se is article about an new Zee TV's Upcoming show if want any information about this show check it about on google, But please improve it as an article thank you. Sir. Please help me iam so want your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Http002 (talk • contribs) 12:10, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry mate, I've got my areas of interest. Also, to edit here you kinda need to be able to speak English. Alternatively you could look for the wiki in your native language.  Rob van  vee  12:54, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

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For the 'Harmonicraft' Dilemma...
The genre of pop rock is found on many of their other albums, within the 'info box'. You say that I should cite a source for the "new" genre documented, even though the other existent genre on that page isn't referenced, therefore they are substantiated. Are you telling me that the consensus for genres can be found throughout 'Wikipedia'? I'm sorry, but that just isn't true. Then again, I understand if it's controversially applied e.g. applying rap metal to 'Harmonicraft' because of hearing an element of it *on one part of a song* <--- (an edit as of 02:34, 5 October 2017 (UTC) to be more specific in order to highlight the nature of frivolous edits) on the album. But, it wasn't the situation here. --Bl1tzkrieg1940 (talk) 15:27, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * All info, especially genre's should be sourced. Even though I agree there are elements of pop-rock, in the interest of creating a quality encyclopedia we should strive towards sourcing all genre's. If we don't, opinion dominates future additions. Have you tried to source pop-rock?  Rob van  vee  18:15, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

But they generally aren't man, lol. As a matter of fact, they aren't for the most part referenced. Believe me, this isn't conjecture or subjectivity because I take this very seriously. In the case of their being a supposed newfound element on the album; I understand if you have an issue regarding a citation for substantiation. If I wasn't already clear enough the genre for this album isn't even attached to a source, and many by this band aren't. Both aforementioned genres are very applicable seeing as they can be found on their prior albums. This isn't meant to be contentious, but rather to refute what the acting standard is because, honestly, it doesn't make too much sense. Really and truly, you can find many other sub-genres or genres within many of the songs on this album if you're saying that post-hardcore, metalcore and heavy metal cannot be found as well. --Bl1tzkrieg1940 (talk) 02:37, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Feel free to remove any unsourced genre's, unless they fit the sky is blue argument perhaps. In this case however, the words of User:Binksternet are rather applicable: Wikipedia is built on WP:SECONDARY sources not the opinions of fine upstanding editors like yourself.  Rob van  vee  17:22, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm not going to dictate what you're implementing --- however, I will examine a scenario where this is found. User:Binksternet saying "...A genre must predominate if it is listed in the infobox." on that page is exactly the school of thought I assumed for 'Wikipedia', actually. It's something that makes sound sense, which is what I was supporting. In the case of 'Torche' having numerous other documentations of 'pop rock'; that is why I did what I did. Something tells me you take a neutral, objective approach to conversation but I really can't discern if "...fine upstanding editors..." was sardonic or not. --Bl1tzkrieg1940 (talk) 23:05, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * When in doubt, assume good faith.  Rob van  vee  07:26, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * What listing?  Rob van  vee  05:36, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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More Life
Would you be willing to weigh in this discussion regarding the infobox should keep "playlist" instead of mixtape. Only if you interested. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 19:53, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey Peanuts. I would but I'm afraid I don't know the first thing about this guy, so not sure I'm in a position to comment.  Rob van  vee  14:18, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That's okay, you don't have to if you don't know much information about this project. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 21:43, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Cliff Burton
Don't revert back. Just remove it. It's redundant to have him in a parent category when he is already in a sub-category. He is in 20th-century American bassists category. No need to have him in 20th-century American musicians category. If you're so concerned with him not being put in guitarist categories, you might want to remove "guitar" from the infobox. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 23:41, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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