User talk:Robvanvee/Archive 9

Inaccurate time
On your edit summary when you removed my edit to the chart section on The Reaper (The Chainsmokers song), you are saying what you said at the wrong time. I recieved the message to stop after editing the page. After I received that message, I have not done it again. CheatCodes4ever (talk) 06:38, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Though a preferable course of action would have been to undo your edits that you now know were done incorrectly. Thanks for letting me know anyway.  Rob van  vee  07:50, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Trip hop
I removed two sentences that were flagged for dubious relevance. My edit summary said that Kylie was already mentioned immediately after in an appropriate context with other examples. In the other case it was hard to make any connection at all with the article. I agree with the flags. Erewhonian (talk) 14:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * OK. As I said on your talk page, "without adequately explaining why" which you have now done. Thanks for that. Please revert to your revision if you like. Cheers.  Rob van  vee  14:47, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Violent Noise
Hello, I already found the sources for the genre. But you know, I can understand why you revert the genres, but I don't understand why you revert all my useful edits. Just a suggestion: Read first and then revert something. Thanks. --Tobi999tomas (talk) 12:19, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair request and I'll consider your suggestion in terms of the overall edit being made. You cited alt metal however, with sources that make no mention of the genre nor do they mention post hardcore which you attached a footnote to. If you intend to add genre's you will need to be sure they are cited and the reliable source you provide needs to explicitly mention said genre in context to the band, album or song. Thanks.  Rob van  vee  16:47, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Possible sock puppet of KillerGho$t
I believe DynamicPanther624 is a possible sock puppet of KillerGho$t, I think you should file a SPI on the user.

Edits made by DynamicPanther624 are the same as TrackerMercurial136
 * Edits by TrackerMercurial136 Canibus
 * Edits by DynamicPanther624 Canibus,

Both accounts are interested in editing the same articles:
 * Articles edited by TrackerMercurial136 Super Freak, Billie Jean, Canibus, Rick James, 2001
 * Articles edited by DynamicPanther624 Super Freak, Billie Jean, Canibus, Rick James, 2001 Mysticair667537 (talk) 09:31, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you are right. Going through the edits now. Thanks for the heads up.  Rob van  vee  10:44, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No question about it! Reported it here as Bbb23 is very familiar with the sock and has CheckUser authorization.  Rob van  vee  13:33, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

New section on paid editing request
Hey Rob van Vee,

My name is Jorden also known as JVR Rams, a Dutch dj. Active in the Electronic & Drum and Bass Genre. You can find me on Spotify, Deezer, Apple Music and Youtube. On Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Masthead and VKonntakte.

It would be an honor if you could write a little article about me. Therefore i will compensate you!

Kind Regards

Jorden JVR Rams Dutch Dj Electro, Drum & Bass — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.142.250.98 (talk) 12:40, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Jorden. Firstly; a quick Google search shows nothing notable about "JVR Rams", at least nothing that any reliable 3rd party sources cover and as such, your proposed article will never be accepted by the Wikipedia community and secondly; I'm completely opposed to paid editing in any form and edit here out of passion for the project. For that reason I'd pass too. Good luck.  Rob van  vee  15:49, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

I Can’t Stand Still
Why did you re edit the release date. It’s clearly wrong and there is no proof that it was released on February 16. It’s was released on August 9. Explain to me how I was wrong. Freakout2003 (talk) 22:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It's only right or wrong when a reliable source says so, something you have yet to provide there or anywhere else you seem to think its appropriate to change dates. As per this policy, you need to source ALL your edits. Continuing with these unsourced disruptive edits will see you lose your editing privileges. Also, as per this, do not revert when someone reverts you. Discuss first.  Rob van  vee  04:32, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I've also taken the liberty of reverting all your unsourced date change edits as well as the unsourced genre's, per Wikipedia policy.  Rob van  vee  04:34, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

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Metallica Discography
What the hell does it being a featured list have to do with anything? I have added references official sourced from the bands official website what part of that don’t you understand? Why would you want an article to be incomplete? I am seeking comment from a moderator who will hopefully do the right thing! Lukejordan02 (talk) 05:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi! My "plagiarism" notes.
All of the songs I placed in the same category "songs involved in plagiarism controversies" were indeed involved in it and you can see it on this page that has a link for each of the song story of plagiarism controversy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_subject_to_plagiarism_disputes

I'm not making that up. :)

Have a good day! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JulienSorel1965 (talk • contribs) 16:21, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page.  Rob van  vee  16:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey! :)

I understand but each stuff I add is documented so don't worry I would never mass tag anything! ;)

I'm sorry but since your message I noticed I can only edit the source on pages now and not directly right in the article like before?

Is it because my edit was reverted that I have it as a sanction? If it's you made it banned for me to directly edit the page please don't let me blocked haha. ;)

I gonna try to do what you told me about the button 4 times.^^

16:38, 28 January 2020 (UTC)16:38, 28 January 2020 (UTC)16:38, 28 January 2020 (UTC)16:38, 28 January 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JulienSorel1965 (talk • contribs)
 * Let's keep the chat in one location, here. No you have not been sanctioned yet for any reason that I can see so it must be because of something on your side. Your signature needs 4 tidles (that's the button usually just to the left of the number one that looks like water ) Hit that 4 times.  Rob van  vee  16:49, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Another thing, have you discovered your sand box yet?  Rob van  vee  16:53, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Question about removal from blxkvelvet
Hi Robvanvee! Thanks for helping me get to know the rules of Wikipedia, I’m new to this website and I appreciate your help. Anyway, you removed my contribution to the list of songs recorded by Plan B ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Plan_B ), where I added his newly released single, First Past The Post. I am pretty sure I haven’t violated any rules, I just added to a list.

Blxkvelvet Blxkvelvet (talk) 17:32, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Blxkvelvet. I have left you 3 messages on your talk page so far all requesting you to please source your edits. In all 3 messages are blue links that will help you understand why and how to do it. To date you don't seem to have figured out how to source so I'm glad you have taken the time to discuss this here because it is integral to editing at Wikipedia. I realize you are adding to a list as you say but all information needs to be sourced so please try doing that and feel free to practice it in your own sand box. Also happy to help if need be. Happy editing.  Rob van  vee  17:42, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Rainbow Rising covers
I noticed that you removed a lot of the covers that someone had listed on Rainbow’s album Rising, despite the fact that they’re all real. I looked them up and you can easily find them on YouTube. I just think they should be there since they are real covers of the songs. Whehejtjrhwhaueje (talk) 14:30, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:TRIVIA aside, only cover versions important enough to have gained attention in their own right should be added to song articles as per WP:SONGCOVER.  Rob van  vee  16:06, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Re: File:Heisei Godzilla Perfection - Berserk.jpg
Fine, revert my vandalism, my don't revert a serious edit. 90.232.183.14 (talk) 11:06, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

reFill
Hi, I notice you use reFill. This is a useful tool but sometimes introduces errors, most frequently inserting the unsupported parameter "|deadurl=y" instead of "|url-status=dead", such as here. I would ask you to preview your edits and resolve any issues before submitting. Thanks. --John B123 (talk) 23:58, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... and here I was under the impression the tool was perfect. It's not something I use that often and it is useful but thanks for pointing that out. I'll double check the results next time. Cheers.  Rob van  vee  04:46, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

ANI Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is 187Ernest. Guy Macon (talk) 08:52, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up Guy, though I fear some of their concerns are legitimate, I am somewhat of a loser ;)  Rob van  vee  09:28, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * https://memeshappen.com/media/created/YOU39RE-A-WINNER--meme-53869.jpg --Guy Macon (talk) 09:56, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 😂  Rob van  vee  12:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Message on My Talk Page
Regarding the message left on my talk page, I want to respond to you. I had just seen inconvenience throughout DaBaby's page. His birth date was different in one spot. So, I fixed it. Please let me know what you think.

OmThePro (talk) 22:40, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . I guess at a glance you appeared to making an unsourced date change to a BLP article but I understand now what you were doing. Since then the info has been sourced by another editor so that at least resolves that issue. Please be sure to add new conversations to the bottom of talk pages. Happy editing!  Rob van  vee  18:09, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

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Queen album
Hello, and thanks for the welcome. I will certainly use those resources to make my editing better. However, an anonymous user has been removing anything on the pages of Queen’s first two albums that has anything to do with heavy metal, despite the fact that multiple sources have said that these albums have a metal influence. They even edited a direct quote from Ultimate Classic Rock that said the album was heavy metal. If it was my edit summary you didn’t like, I’m sorry if it seemed a bit pissy. I’ll try to be more professional in the future. I just wanted to clarify what the situation was. Henoryry (talk) 16:16, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome again! It was not your edit summary (though it would be better to get consensus there first before changing the genre) but rather that the edit itself was unsourced. I'm totally open to reliably sourced genre's being added provided the edit in question abides by these guidelines. Hope that clears things up.  Rob  van  vee  16:22, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Your thoughts?
Given your edit here, perhaps you have an opinion on this. Cheers. Keldoo (talk) 08:08, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks .  Rob van  vee  08:11, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

my apologizes:
i made another mistake with my previous link, and have included the correct citation in the wrong area. i have utterly no idea how to fix this so my deepest apologies. Mia Clifford (talk) 05:49, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Thanks for making contact, though according to WP:BRD you should first discuss before reverting me as you did. Please could you read though Help:Referencing For Beginners before attempting to add more info with a source. Simply adding the source to your edit summary won't suffice. A month from now someone will remove it (the genre) as unsourced because your summary has dropped down the article history and no longer visible. Then your genre: the source you provided refers to a single song and not the album, hence my reversion. When a source is acquired it should describe the entire album. Shout if I can be of assistance. Happy editing!  Rob van  vee  06:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

thanks for the polite feedback! i’ll definitely read some tutorials to help make my edits more professional, and your reasoning for not including the genre is very reasonable and helpful, and i’ll take it in mind when making future revisions. i’ll be sure for now own to use more citations and discuss removing revisions before doing the act. Furthermore, have a great rest of your day! Mia Clifford (talk) 06:06, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Awesome! And please ask for help anytime, I'm here if you need it. Have a great day there too.  Rob van  vee  06:09, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * What I generally do is copy a good reference from another article or section of the article I'm working on, add it to the end of my newly inserted info and then edit it accordingly before saving. Have you found your sand box yet? It's a good place to try this.  Rob van  vee  06:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

where is the sandbox you mentioned located? Mia Clifford (talk) 19:10, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * At the top and near the centre of any Wikipedia page near your name, talk page, preferences etc. Also, check this page out.  Rob van  vee  19:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hollywood Undead
Hi Robvanvee, can you please block this user named LOCOJAYGANON please? He is constantly adding misleading informations and spamming the pages. I tried to talk to him, but he still keep going with it. I need help with him. Thanks. --Tobi999tomas (talk) 22:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Like you I am not an admin but we do have ammo in our arsenal that can deal with disruptive editors. Do you have Twinkle installed? It's particularly useful for issuing warnings to users that violate our policies such as the user you mention above. You will notice I issued them with a "genre" warning using the tool and there are a number of templates available for a number of violations. In this case they seem to be entering unsourced genre's and I issued the first warning. If they do it again, you issue the 2nd warning until they receive the final warning. Once you have done that it is time to go to WP:ANI and make a case, which if all your facts are in place, will result in their being blocked. Remember though, you take responsibility for using it and be careful who you issue template warnings to. Some regular editors will take extreme offence to being issued a template warning. I have been using it for years so shout if you need any assistance.  Rob van  vee  05:44, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh I see, but unfortunately, I don't have that installed. Perhaps you can do it instead? --Tobi999tomas (talk) 07:45, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I did warn them using the tool. If you are here to stick around you may want to consider trying it. It's extremely useful for many maintenance related tasks on Wikipedia.  Rob van  vee  07:47, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I never use before, so it will be tricky for me. --Tobi999tomas (talk) 14:43, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Be BOLD!  Rob van  vee  15:16, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Hollie Cook info
Hi Rob, I noticed that you removed important info I provided to the Hollie Cook's page despite the fact that they’re all real. I have now added citations and 3 new links from reliable sources, hopefully this new edit will be of your approval. Thanx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki improving (talk • contribs) 13:44, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, you have removed info I provided to the "Ambient Music" page despite the fact that they’re all real. I have now added citations and 1 link from reliable sources as you suggested, hopefully this new edit will be of your approval. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki improving (talk • contribs) 13:59, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . That's great, thanks for sourcing your edits. Just avoid using Discogs please it is user generated content and as such this guideline says it is unreliable. Good job!  Rob van  vee  14:05, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

List of reggae musicians
Hi Rob, I noticed that you removed important info I provided to the page "list of reggae musicians" page despite the fact that it is real, accurate, tangible and easily trackable everywhere on the internet. Your reason was "no sources provided", but in the full list of names there's no options to attach a link to it or, if there is and I haven't see it please accept my apologies and it would be very helpful if you could guide me on how to add a link I will be happy to do it, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki improving (talk • contribs) 14:53, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Please don't quote a musician as being psydub without a reliable source that says so as you did here. Also, if you say there are lots of sources that are easily trackable? Please read this, especially the bit that says "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution". In other words...you.  Rob van  vee  15:26, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi again Rob, I noticed that you removed for the third time the info I provided to the page "psydub" despite the fact that they're real, accurate, tangible and easily trackable everywhere on the internet. Again, your reason was "no sources provided", even if I have now provided many reliable links as you instructed. All the new links were NOT from Discogs as u instructed, but from different sources. Ok, I have added 6 new links now, all linked with reliable sources from the internet, I have spent hours now to re-upload all my sources for the 4th time after you deleted them, please check all the new links, with the hope you will be now satisfied and finally let me contribute constructively to this beautiful platform called Wikipedia. Once again, I am happy to follow your instruction if you want, just be more specific and accurate and tell me exactly the procedure to follow, i am not an expert on Wikipedia, I am simly -like you are- a music lover and I love to contribute to improve the knowledge of wikipedia. One more thing, you said before "source from Discogs are not valid", but if u go on the Psydub page you will see that many of the artists there have taken links from Discogs. Have a nice evening Rob. comment added by Wiki improving (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 17:41, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Presently
... someone would have said something about how you have to notify people of an AN/I discussion about them. It sounds as though the situation has you a bit stressed, so I did it. Maybe it's time for a nice cuppa, or a relaxing moment spent stretching? BlackcurrantTea (talk) 13:48, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Just thanked you on your talk page. I did on the last 3 directly above this one. Not stressed at all but appreciate the concern :) Thanks again!  Rob van  vee  13:51, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Posting in stereo, we are. You're welcome! It was a quick distraction from an ENGVAR-obsessed IP (everything must be in US English), and I'm glad to help. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 14:08, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

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Edits to Placebo and Soulmates Never Die (Live in Paris 2003)
Those were not test edits. Xavior Roide was the lead singer of Dexdexter, one of the core bands of the Romo movement and as such one of the central figures on that scene. Consequently the Romo article contains material on his wider career (and Dex Dexter (band) redirects there) and as such is a reasonable target for a wikilink on a mention of Xavior Roide.165.225.81.96 (talk) 11:55, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps but in the context of the Placebo additional musicians, the Romo movement has no bearing and as such your link fails MOS:LINKCLARITY. Also, this fact you make is supported by a WP:PRIMARY source on the Romo page.  Rob van  vee  15:52, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The latter issue was easily resolved, I just linked to the existing main secondary source on Xav/DexDexTer on the Romo page, namely the DexDexTer piece in the Melody Maker Romo special.
 * Looking at MOS:LINKCLARITY I think the operative term there is "as closely as possible". Generally, where a not-personally Wikinotable individual is a significant member of a Wikinotable grouping (eg a band, a clique or a community) and there is information on said individual on the page of said grouping, more thann on any other WP article, it is normal to link the individual to the grouping as per "consider linking to a more general article instead" on MOS:SPECIFICLINK.
 * For example, I would put it to you that if an article on a theatre or a drama company includes a listing of a production of a play written by Bertie Marshall, it would be normal to wikilink his name to Bromley Contingent.165.225.81.96 (talk) 08:51, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of "not-personally Wikinotable individuals" listed in the prose of the Romo article that were members/involved in some way of the movement. Based on your argument we should link all their names wherever they are found on Wikipedia to the Romo article?  Rob van  vee  17:01, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Depends. For example, Timothy Mark Chipping/Tim Chipping should clearly be linked to Orlando (band) as he was the singer and they, uniqiely from the Romo scene, have their own article.  The band Minty on the other hand should definitely be linked to their founder, the late Leigh Bowery.165.225.81.96 (talk) 17:49, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Additional thought - there is a brief but comprehensive amount of personal/career history of Xavior Roide scattered across the Romo article (his real name, his fronting DexDexTer, Dex's roots as "mk2", Xav and his band's participation in Romo, their split, Xav's unreleased solo album for Island Records and subsequent projects including Placebo involvment) Unless and until a Xavior Roide article on Wikipedia (not inconceivable given his recent growing reputation as a dining pianist) the Romo article is the obvious redirect point for him, with the only - distant - rival options being David Ryder Prangley (on/off collaborator) and Velvet Goldmine (film in which he had a speaking role.)165.225.81.96 (talk) 09:03, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I asked the question here, for the record. I'm always open to being corrected. Feel free to add anything from your side.  Rob van  vee  17:22, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, have taken up the suggestion.165.225.81.96 (talk) 17:49, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The reason I posed the question here was because I didn't really feel like getting into a debate over it and thought we may have had feedback already. While I do not agree with you I also do not feel that strongly enough about it so as to revert you again should you choose to reinstate the link (ie feel free). If we do get feedback at any point, we can reassess the situation then. Thank you for your patience on the matter and taking the time to discuss. Off topic if you don't mind my asking: why do you not create an account? You seem like an editor who does good work around here and there are benefits that would aid your efforts if you did. Also, the encyclopedia succeeds largely due to the collaboration of all involved, which can be somewhat off-putting when dealing with an IP address. Just a thought. All the best!  Rob van  vee  15:48, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact I do have an account User:Romomusicfan but tend to be rather lazy about logging in unless I really have to (if I want to create a page or do certain other processes). I do acknowledge this fact on the user page . 165.225.81.96 (talk) 17:00, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Confusion with what last name to use on Post Malone
Hello! I'm writing here regarding your revert on Post Malone. I changed my text to "Post" because it was written like that nearly everywhere on the page. Post is actually his actual last name, so that's why I edited. But I will use Malone in the future, thank you! Zandor (talk) 08:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You are right, I undid my edit. Please accept my apology.  Rob van  vee  09:54, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem at all, thank you for your reply! Have a nice day :) Zandor (talk) 10:02, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * And to you  Rob  van  vee  10:04, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/2804:d47:0:0:0:0:0:0/32
Can you keep an eye on the IP range? Make sure if whoever doing the genre warring. 2402:1980:82F2:993B:1785:9F54:B25E:46D2 (talk) 04:21, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I took a look, reverted what was needed but there doesn't seem to be a hell of a lot going on there.  Rob van  vee  05:38, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Members Only Members
Hey there. I reached out to Flyboy Tarantino of Members Only recently and he has told me that Ski Mask is still in the group. Also Tankhead (Confirmed by Bhris on Twitter) and Roach was never a member of the group (Said by himself on VladTV) Rawhool is most likely not apart of the group anymore because of the lack of people in the group following him and interacting with him in the group. I also noticed that people like Icecat Laflare, Reddz, SB, Vinny Changos, JMob, Dready, Kridakal, Winchoz, XXXTENTACION’s Brother, Corey (Flyboy acknowledged him as apart of the group), 88timez, Danny Towers, the manager of MO absentwill, DJ Slicid & King Harris aren’t on the current members list since all of them have either publicly said or acknowledged by fellow members that they are in the group.

This list is inaccurate. & Bass Joined Members Only in 2016. On the same day Wifisfuneral joined the group. March 9, 2016 Vr999v2 (talk) 15:40, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . I'm as keen as you are to see an accurate list but we have to stick to what reliable sources say and as such your recent interactions with Flyboy won't suffice in this regard. What I have now done is removed any current or former member that is not sourced or who's own article does not reflect membership.  Rob van  vee  16:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

XRaptorzvision
Hello,

Because I am not a CheckUser, I could not confirm that XRaptorzvision was a sock. I blocked the account based on behavioural evidence. Therefore when reverting XRaptorzvision edits, it would be better to write "blocked sock" instead of "confirmed sock" in your edit summaries. This is to avoid any confusion. Thanks, Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me &#124; my contributions 18:53, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Aah, ok thanks for that !.  Rob van  vee  18:55, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Unsourced edits
Hi Macandal31 here in response to your message. All information provided is from the most reliable of sources. As a founding member of the Wild Bunch (Bristol) which included Daddy G ,Nellee Hooper, Milo Johnson as founding members. Later to include Robert Del Naja, Claude 'Willie Wee" Williams ,Adrian "Tricky" Thawes and Andrew "Mushroom" Vowles and would later Morph into Massive Attack. The first actual live event under the name Massive Attack was made by Milo Johnson (Dj) and Robert Del Naja (MC) In Tokyo at the Tokyo fresh fest 1989 supporting Dj Red Alert and the Jungle Brothers for New York. If you need documentation to prove so i can provide via email. At that point Massive Attack, as it would later be known, never had a record released. However the Wild Bunch did have records out with Island/4th and B'way 2 years prior to the event in Tokyo. "The Look of Love" which was one of the tracks from the island recordings ,is basically the birth of the Bristol sound which many now call "Trip Hop" and also the foundation behind the US R&B/Hip Hop movement via Nellee/Soul II Soul. It precedes everything mentioned on your page. I don't need to tell you were things went from there on as most of it seems accurate. Tricky moved on to a solo career after his debut with Massive Attack, Before that Nellee moving to produce Soul II Soul and Bjork. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macandal31 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. Please start new conversations at the bottom of a talk page and don't forget to sign your edits. Right, back to the topic at hand: I did mention it in my edit summary as well as on your talk page that your additions were unsourced and as per this policy were reverted. All information must be verifiable in reliable sources and your recollection or knowledge on a subject will not suffice. Please be sure to read the blue links that I leave here as well as those I left on your talk page. Good luck.  Rob  van  vee  17:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

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Regarding Controversial Album Covers, and Witchfinder General
Hey Rob, I'm checking in to try to better understand your removal of my entry on the List of controversial album art page. Recently, I added an entry to the section on Nudity and Sexuality for metal band Witchfinder General's first two albums, Death Penalty and Friends of Hell. The source I cited was an interview with Phil Cope, the long time guitarist for the band. Thus, the conclusion that the band faced pressure and broke up at least in a decent part due to the controversial album covers is not speculation on my behalf, but rather the actual words and thoughts of a primary source. I'd happily revise the wording to make the source's value more apparent. I feel strongly that this entry should be included in the list, considering that Witchfinder General has had a massive influence on the development of Doom metal, but as a band, are not around to experience it, due to their early demise, which, in turn, has a lot to do with the provocative nature of their album art. Please let me know how we can come to an amenable solution to this!

P.S. I don't have a Wikipedia account currently, but I can certainly create one if that eases this process for you.

70.251.211.97 (talk) 15:28, 30 March 2020 (UTC) E. Howard, filmmaker, metalhead, historian
 * Hey E. Howard, filmmaker, metalhead, historian. Sorry this took so long, got a bit distracted. I must apologise. As I stated in my edit summary when I reinstated your edits, I saw there is a copy of the original magazine article in the reference so it is not technically a primary source. As mentioned, I have reinstated your edits. Thanks for the note.  Rob van  vee  16:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Update (Members Only Members)
DJ Scheme went live last night and a fan asked if he was still in the group during his Q&A and he says he still is

Also, The group has an official Instagram account (@membersonly4l) and all the current members are all followed with the exception of @cleo_ohsojazzy, @xxxtentacionfoundation, @empire & @brainbakerymag. The rest (Reddz, SB, Dready, Kridakal, Danny Towers (& Said by himself on his No Jumper interview with DJ Scheme) Robbie Soukiasyan & John Cunningham (X’s Producers) & Absentwill) Vr999v2 (talk) 15:35, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

You screwed up David Cross' tables
Why would you do this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.249.36.218 (talk) 01:12, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you quite certain about that? If not, I'd like an apology. Please provide the diffs.  Rob van  vee  06:26, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Tweedy Bird Loc may be dead, but . ..
Tweedy Bird Loc is now supposedly dead (he may be, but. . .) because an online fanzine has written that "sources" tell them that? ( https://www.siccness.net/wp/legendary-west-coast-rap-artist-tweedy-bird-loc-passes-away-at-52 ). They may be reliable about the latest rap tracks that have been released, but reliable for official death notices? The only other reference to this 'death' (not given as reference on WP) is another fanzine website ( https://myreligionisrap.com/tweedy-bird-loc-has-reportedly-passed-away-at-the-age-52/ ). Their 'proof' is an unnamed source (listed by them as 'J.F.'), and screenshots of a text message from ?somebody?, dated on the screenshot itself as 'December 25, 2018', saying 'This his niece its ture (sic)'. followed by 'It was a heart attack'. With no proof that it was a niece of Tweedy Bird that responded to the text message. Just sayin' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.65.180 (talk) 06:58, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time to bring this to my attention. I'll take a closer look in a bit. I was reverting initially as no one was sourcing but when someone did I backed off but you are right about those references, unreliable for an official death report.  Rob van  vee  07:32, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * OK reverted back but don't expect everyone to take it lying down.  Rob van  vee  07:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Genre reference
There were no references for the pop punk genre label on Love is for Losers, and still aren't, therefore it was removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.162.114.72 (talk) 10:45, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * There actually was, you removed it. Take a look here and you will see the Slant ref you removed along with the genre.  Rob van  vee  11:30, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, please start a new conversations at the bottom of the talk page as per this guidline and sign your comments with 4 tidles (~).  Rob van  vee  11:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * DOH! Sorry, just reading again. Your'e talking about Love is for Losers. Quite right and I reverted back to your entry. May I suggest using edit summaries as that would have avoided my reversion which was based more on your other edits. Cheers!  Rob van  vee  11:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Article
Hey! I am jaden Inocent Mthwane. I am here in peace. On behalf of "Mabala Noise Inc.Publisher" i want to ask how long did it takes to make your artcle and How did you make it. Thank You if you can reply for this immediately. From a Publisher Jaden Inocent Mthwane (talk) 09:38, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Jaden and welcome to Wikipedia! What article are you referring to? I have created a few.  Rob van  vee  10:35, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Republic Records
Hi there! , On Republic Records webpage the username "BawinV" change the order of artist by the popularity (he say that that he change it by the alphabet and popularity) but the things he did he didn’t change it by the alphabet he change it by the popularity only (the case is he change the order of Taylor Swift be the first artist, I change it back to Ariana Grande because of the alphabet). Now I don't really know what to do,  So may I bother you to consider what I wrote.

Thank you for your attention.

(I’m really sorry for my bad English)

Iamcryingbaby (talk) 14:31, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * HI. Is it really such a big problem? If it is, why is it a big problem in your opinion?  Rob van  vee  15:05, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Still waiting for your reply or have you resorted to sock puppetry instead?  Rob van  vee  09:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Offspring edits
Hello. Thanks for reverting the 2018-19 IP vandalism on fake certifications in The Offspring articles. Unfortunately, there's been more IP vandalism for the last couple of months, especially with The Offspring discography. I wouldn't mind your help to keep an eye out for IP vandals that have been adding false certifications or boosting the certifications higher than they actually are in The Offspring album articles. As for the discography page, it has been protected but I haven't cleaned it out yet. Thanks again for your work! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:54, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey MLP. Just woke up and going through my watchlist I see you have been very busy reverting all the bullshit certification edits made to various Offspring articles. Good job staying on top of that! Though pretty much all Offspring related articles are on my watchlist, I will definitely assist where I can in keeping these edits in check. Thanks for the note and keep up the great work you do here.  Rob van  vee  07:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * LOL, I only found them after finding false ones on Splinter. Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 15:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk:TikTok
Hi. I see you work in around this sphere so please feel free to weigh in or comment on my idea here. heyitsben!! talk 11:25, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ben, but for now I don't really have an opinion on this.  Rob van  vee  13:33, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Vandalizing
I wasn't vandalizing, I was adding information that I have heard from the musicians themselves. I have sourced some of my work and it was deleted so I don't know what to do. I didn't source things at first because I didn't think it was so serious, I was only trying Wikipedia out for a little bit and see how it works. I was not vandalizing, I was only updating information to make it more recent, not to add false information.

Hulkeroni (talk) 21:44, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * . Heard from the musicians themselves? You think it's the first time someone has said that at Wikipedia? We only rely on reliable sources and your hearsay does not constitute anything of the sort. Continuing with these disruptive edits, especially removing sourced info and replacing it with some made up figure does relate to vandalism and as you have reached the last warning on your talk page, my next step will be WP:ANI as I mentioned. If you really want to edit here constructively you will stop what you are doing, read the warnings (including their blue links) on your talk page and ask for help from more experienced editors if, as you are, repeatedly being warned regarding their current actions.  Rob van  vee  11:21, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Robvanvee! So CNN isn't a reliable source? I read your reply and you stated that I replace sourced info with a made up figure, when I had clearly gotten it from CNN's official website, not some clickbait unreliable source. Again, I didn't make it up but if you want me to stop then I will leave if it bothers you bad. I may never do a thing on Wikipedia again, but it's fine. As long as the editors (you included) are happy, then I guess making an account was a mistake. So, goodbye.

Hulkeroni (talk) 02:06, 19 April 2020 (UTC)


 * So CNN isn't a reliable source? Where is your source in this edit? Just saying it is so does not make it so. I'm not interested in you throwing your toys out the cot, you know where the door is. However, if you do choose to stick around just remember there are certain rules and policies you will need to follow which, to this point you have been hesitant to address. Good luck and I hope we don't need to go the WP:ANI route, but that depends largely on you.  Rob van  vee  07:38, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Robvanvee! Not that article! This one! This was the one I was talking about when I was updating information and not adding false information. You just assumed I was adding fake information when I kept trying to tell you that I was updating it! Anyway I came back to tell you this, because I'm still not coming back because if I were to do something so small as changing a single digit, you'll be extremely quick to just report me to WP:ANI and get me blocked, so it wouldn't matter anyway. So, goodbye...again.

Hulkeroni (talk) 01:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This is not an airport. No need to announce your departure.  Rob van  vee  06:06, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Robvanvee. Yeah, I realize that now that I re-read it.

Hulkeroni (talk) 05:50, 5 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.113.47.190 (talk)

Neurosis
It's been 30 years since the transitional The Word as Law has been released and that Neurosis has stopped being a (straightforward) hardcore punk band. It definitely should be mentionned in the infobox that if they are hardcore punk, it's on their early days only, that's something I tried to do. I didn't think it would be a problem to have this short mention.
 * Hi. Please sign your comments, thanks. Having read your message and reread the musical style section, I agree and have reverted back. Just refrain from adding small text to the infobox. Cheers!  Rob van  vee  07:45, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the change. Also, to stay in the infobox, don't you think that we could replace doom metal and industrial by sludge metal and avant-garde metal? It's a better definition of the style of the band in my opinion, and finally, very few albums of theirs have been described as (straightforward, I suppose) doom metal and industrial.
 * Again, please sign your comments. Feel free to propose it on the article's talk page and if no one objects after a few day to a week then go right ahead. But remember to stick to what reliable sources say and not your own opinion of what genre's best describe them as that argument is called original research and will quickly be reverted.  Rob van  vee  13:09, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Associated acts
I read the guidelines then you tell me to ask questions. Then you tell me not to right on your page. That makes no sense. You changed my legit edit to Tech N9ne's page. Then you turned around and took the edit off Bryzzo1744 (talk) 08:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I said not to write messages on my user page. This is my talk page which you have now correctly used. Do you understand the difference? If not you may have a hard time understanding the guideline I sent you, which you claim to have read but I'm having my doubts. If you had actually read it you would have noticed the little bit that states 1 (one) song is NOT enough to add an artist to the associated act section. They need to have collaborated multiple times.  Rob van  vee  08:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Danzig
No problem! No offense taken. I'll be trying to improve the article in the next month or so, any help is welcome. Musicaindustrial (talk) 16:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Great, shout for anything I could assist with!  Rob van  vee  16:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Musicaindustrial (talk) 21:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Charlie Brown Jr
Olá! Vamos colocar as informações corretas sobre o gênero da banda Charlie Brown Jr, ok? A banda não tem como gênero o pop rock e o crossover thrash, esta informação é FALSA. Eu conheço muito bem a banda e sei os gêneros corretos. Passar bem! Sid Croell (talk) 09:26, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You are at the wrong Wikipedia mate. This is the English language edition. Portuguese Wikipedia can be found here.  Rob van  vee  09:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

A New Proposal for the Danzig History section
When you can, check out my proposition for Danzig's historical section. Thanks! Musicaindustrial (talk) 20:22, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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The genres
Hello, first of all, sorry for the unsourced genres. Secondly, I think you are exaggerating me, cause before I always did useful edits, and I was never the problematic one here. Thirdly, saying me that I have difficulties with reading. What are you trying to say? Are you insulting me? Well, I am not the one who always revert my edits that are useful here. --Tobi999tomas (talk) 15:14, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Given that English is obviously not your first language, not much of that makes sense but I get your first point and that's all that really matters. Just reliably source your edits and I won't need to leave warnings on your talk page.  Rob van  vee  15:27, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I did a good job with explaining my points here. And if you don't understand my other points here, then I don't know what to say anymore, because I think I wrote it pretty well understandable. Or if you don't remember, check the revision history of the page Monomania and then you get the other points here. I want you to take that back and an apology from your side too. --Tobi999tomas (talk) 07:23, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You are on your final warning for adding unsourced info. Source your edits or we will be going to WP:ANI. End of story!  Rob van  vee  07:27, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Unnecessary Header
I erased a BLP more sources needed because 9 sources is quite a lot for that short of an article. Your description for undoing it's unclear. 100.2.48.168 (talk) 06:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * My apologies for the delayed reply. You are quite right and I apologize for my unclear edit summary. However, that is not how those banners work. Regardless of how many sources an article has, one has to look at the entire article body to see where the footnotes are located. If all the sources are found in the lead and the rest of the article is unsourced, is there still sufficient references? Take another look at that article and see if there are any sections that are unsourced. I found several, hence that article needing additional sources. Once the issue has been resolved and the sources added, the template can be removed and not simply because there are visually sufficient sources. Please read this guideline to removing templates from articles.  Rob van  vee  07:12, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Three Imaginary Boys Explaining the "?"
Three Imaginary Boys as pop punk? power pop? new wave? This record is essentially post-punk and there is no point in introducing sources as proof here because my editions will always be reversed in studio albums by The Cure. I am a autopatrol and rollback in Portuguese Wikipedia (check on my [talk page] or https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Johnny_Paes translate into english if you are a native speaker) and the user Marcos FTO who introduced these genres without any source has already edited articles in Portuguese, and is not a reliable user. Johnny Paes (talk) 06:58, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello ., would you like to comment here, given you have been mentioned? I'm not particularly keen on criticizing editors without the opportunity for them to defend themselves and to be honest, while Marcos' start here may have been sketchy, their contributions of late have certainly been more constructive. As for the genres you removed, they are all sourced in the reception section apart from "New wave" perhaps, hence my reverting. Please let me know if I am missing something else?  Rob van  vee  07:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Murder ballads genre.
Hi Rob,

A lot of the songs cited on both Murder Ballads and Let Love In are cited as gothic rock, as is the band's sound during that era, so I don't see why it's seen as breaching NPOV to add the genres:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=X-A0CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA27&lpg=PA27&dq=Nick+Cave+Red+Right+Hand+doom+rock&source=bl&ots=DgUANwg4FO&sig=ACfU3U0JnUCtj_jMSe7sv53TRUCPjS9qBg&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Nick%20Cave%20Red%20Right%20Hand%20doom%20rock&f=false

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-oct-28-wk-pop28-story.html

May I add the genres again?

Thanks!
 * Hi. So a quick perusal of the LA Times article shows it is discussing Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus and not Let Love In or MB. Songs you say are reliably sourced (I did not bother to check whether any are actually reliably sourced) relate to those songs and not necessarily the album or the artist. Sources need to specifically describe genres of an album for them to warrant inclusion and one of the 2 you have provided relates to a song while the other to the band/another album so it does breach NPOV unfortunately.  Rob van  vee  14:56, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Edits on Epic
Hey man! I appreciate your feedback on my edits on Epic Records. I'm not quite familiar with editing pages. I just thought I'd give it a shot cause it looked incomplete. I thought B.o.B was signed to them because of being a part of Grand Hustle, and I thought the N.W.A was previously signed because of being with Ruthless. Sorry for any inconveniences!!! Cay Vadnais (talk) 02:35, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey and welcome again to Wikipedia! Pardon my ignorance but I don't understand what Grand Hustle has to do with Epic. Ruthless was of course an affiliate of Epic but Epic is also owned by Sony and we don't need to add NWA, for example to Ruthless, Epic And Sony as we end up with overly extensive lists. These were the reasons for my reverting. Hope that makes sense.  Rob  van  vee  14:04, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Makes total sense!!! I just thought I read on Epics page that Grand Hustle was a subsidiary of Epic, and also seeing that T.I. and Travis Scott were also signed to Epic. I guess you know what they say about assumptions... Lol. Thank you for correcting me as I understand the errors of me assuming!!! Cay Vadnais (talk) 16:20, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No stress Cay and if there is ever anything else, just shout. Happy editing!  Rob van  vee  16:30, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
Hello, Robvanvee. There is a discussion at WP:ANI regarding a years-long IP-hopping genre vandal in the 2804 IP range. Since you have dealt with the person/people, any input you would have at the discussion would be appreciated. Thank you. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 07:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey Mungo. I see I did revert some of their edits and left warnings on several of the talk pages but to be perfectly honest I had no idea they were connected and I'm not sure I can contribute anything of value to the case at ANI, unless you can think of something? If not, good luck and I hope the disruptive turd is range blocked! Also, thanks for the heads-up.  Rob van  vee  07:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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Question
Just curious if you've still seen this sock around in your edits recently? I saw your name mentioned there. I've seen quite a few of their WP:DUCKs of late in sports articles. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 08:03, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey . Funny you should ask. Woke up this morning and saw several edits from that got my suspicions roused. Was going to look into their edits later when I had some time but see they are already blocked, good job! Yeah I have spent a lot of time tracking and SPI'ing that sock! Bbb23 used to be my go-to guy but I see you are an admin, awesome. Can I bring it up with you if they raise their head again?  Rob  van  vee  08:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If it wasn't for some persistent, distinctive edits like this w/ NYC, which doesn't seem to have widespread consensus for infoboxes, I'd probably just let it pass. Otherwise, there's a few idiosyncratic edits they make in basketball that aren't necessarily wrong, but distinctive.—Bagumba (talk) 08:52, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Regarding reports, sure, feel free to send them over. But I'll play it by ear, as they are persistent, and I reserve the right to have you spread the wealth at WP:SPI. Just give me a distinctive diff or two from the current and a prior user.—Bagumba (talk) 08:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Great stuff . In my experience (and there were so many directly reported to Bbb23 that are not listed in the case), they tend to focus on music, sport and casinos/hotels and more specifically, infobox details. He loves to tinker with figures and locations. Many thanks for the heads up.  Rob van  vee  09:06, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I tend to prefer a smoking gun of a trademark style, not just the topic itself. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 09:14, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * And I'll not disappoint  Rob  van  vee  09:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Hi Brendon. Many thanks for that kind gesture! There really is no need to "ask" me if you want to edit an article as no one can lay claim to any article on Wikipedia. You must be bold and make your edits but when a more experienced editor reverts you, it's always good to check their edit summary as well as their message on your talk page which, in my case most recently was referring to unsourced genres that you added to Breaking Benjamin. Best thing to do now would be to find some reliable sources for the genres or if that's not possible, to rather leave them out. Genres can be a contentious issue around here. Please shout if you need help with referencing or any other problem. Good luck.  Rob van  vee  18:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

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Killing in the Name Of
How would I go about adding a reliable source that shows that Killing in the Name is often incorrectly titled Killing in the Name Of? JJPMaster (talk) 14:49, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Adding the source is easy. Where did the claim originate ?  Rob van  vee  14:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

RE Riky Rick
Hi. I appreciate that we are both trying to fix heavily OR-influenced articles. I believe, if you review the following diffs show that I merely hid if not outright rv anything that was unsourced. In any event, it was not my intent to make any unhelpful edits. I see you are on the job. You may want to take a look at Mary Twala. I won't violate 3RR but I did do the best I could with a seriously flawed article. Yours, 2604:2000:EFC0:12:7922:1B66:98F2:E6E1 (talk) 14:06, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your good intentions and you are right it is seriously flawed as are millions of other articles on Wikipedia. That aside, I would advise against hiding unsourced info and as I said on your talk page, please do not add unsourced info accompanied by a cn tag. It really is not helpful. While some of what you added back to RR was sourced, not all of it was hence my undoing. Feel free to add back any reliably sourced info I reverted and thanks for the note.  Rob van  vee  14:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

109.180.174.125
 * Thanks. I just want to add that I agree that Adding unsourced info and then adding a cn tag is just lazy and goes against policy when editing WP:BLP articles. Source your edits properly or don't add the controversial information, but I certainly did not ADD anything, sourced or unsourced, to the Riky Rick article as I know nothing about him and arrived at his page by happenstance. My edits were all to either hide or remove unsourced text, not to add anything new. I wonder if you are referring to the sentence "Early life Riky Rick was born Rikhado ribeca Makhado in the KwaMashu township located in the north of the city of Durban in the KwaZulu-Natal province of South Africa" . I merely felt compelled to change it from its illiterate state to a literate one. One of my little idiosyncracies. I then added the fact tag as I did not realize that the sentence was "controversial". I get now why the Adding unsourced info and then adding a cn tag is just lazy and goes against policy when editing WP:BLP articles. Source your edits properly or don't add the controversial information'' comment. OK, all is explained. I understand your objections to the issue of hiding unsourced text. Yours, 2604:2000:EFC0:12:7922:1B66:98F2:E6E1 (talk) 14:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Just noticed that you also suffer from OCD (per your self-description). I do too. Welcome to the club, LOL. 2604:2000:EFC0:12:7922:1B66:98F2:E6E1 (talk) 14:29, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry for coming across as grouchy initially. Most IP editors don't really have the projects best interests at heart and I think I probably also misinterpreted your edit. You have been editing here prolifically since June 26. Why not create an account if I may ask? And my OCD is specifically Wikipedia related .  Rob  van  vee  14:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * That is fine. No problem, whatever. This is the newest version of the article in question -- I hope it meets with your approval. 2604:2000:EFC0:12:7922:1B66:98F2:E6E1 (talk) 14:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey John. I see the additions you are adding to your talk page and wanted to mention that you are permitted to remove all content from your talk page as it is considered read once you do. See this for more info and specifically WP:OWNTALK.  Rob van  vee  06:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Sourced materials
Dear RobVanVee, I was wondering what types of sourced material you would prefer to see when I make a band edit or so forth, please let me know and I will see what I can do, thanks.Miked1992 (talk) 05:10, 14 July 2020 (UTC)Miked1992Miked1992 (talk) 05:10, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Please could you do more of 2 things that will help the rest of us better understand your edits: edit summaries explaining where you acquired info such as this or this and more edits like this that include a reference however your reference should be at the end of the text or paragraph you are editing and not in the header. Does that make sense?  Rob van  vee  11:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Input if possible.
Hey how's it going? There seems to be some confusion regarding how album certifications and album sales work with an editor on my talk page. Was hoping you could help clear some things up for them (I tried explaining, but somehow they still don't get it). --Blastmaster11 (talk) 04:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey . All good and I hope you are too. Not really my area of expertise tbh and I would have probably asked as they are pretty clued up on that sort of thing.   Rob  van  vee  13:16, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Changing Genres
Thanks for reminding me to source the genres I changed- I done so accordingly. I haven't done much editing in music Wikipedia, but I'll be sure to remember that whenever I do more. Tinyds (talk) 14:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Thanks for the note. Great stuff, thanks for adding sources to your genre edits, a somewhat contentious area on Wikipedia as can be seen here. As per WP:ALBUMAVOID however, we should not source sites like Amazon that are motivated primarily by sales. You did add another source lower down so I have removed the Amazon reference. Happy editing!  Rob van  vee  17:13, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Re: Contributions
Hi Robvanvee-

I appreciate that you want contributions to be accurate. As a matter of fact, Gunnar Gehl is listed on the Big Machine web site (http://www.bigmachinelabelgroup.com/artists) as an artist with Big Machine Records and is a pop artist. Also, I noticed that you made other edits about other artists as well (I.E. those on Big Loud Records and Broken Bow.) The artists (Big Loud: Ben Burgess, Ashland Craft, ERNEST, Larry Fleet, Sean Stemaly and Broken Bow: Lainey Wilson, https://www.bbrmusicgroup.com) are still listed on their respective websites. Do you have sources to the contrary that say they are no longer with their labels?

Michael — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmoothDancer (talk • contribs) 18:59, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Sorry for the delayed reply. I got a bit distracted. Yes, I removed artists that failed verify. Feel free to add them back with a source as you have done with some of your edits, thanks. I'll fix them with WP:Refill once you have.  Rob van  vee  18:23, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Time flies
How do you know this album has not sold 2 million copies ?. 92.251.234.178 (talk) 16:46, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * How do you know it has?  Rob van  vee  19:29, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Because it is 4 times platinum in the uk and you are telling me it hasn't sold another 800k worldwide in 11 years cop on 92.251.225.190 (talk) 19:42, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe it has but only a reliable source will tell and that's what is required if you intend to change it as per policy.  Rob van  vee  19:59, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Mastodon (band) Article
Hi Robvanvee, just wanted to clarify that I added the source for my edit to the Mastodon (band) page about a new collection of rare tracks called "Medium Rarities." The source is direct from the horse's mouth: Mastodon's band page; but if that's not good enough for some reason, there are plenty of other music sites (Loudwire, Ultimate Guitar, etc.) that have announced it as well (based on the original posting I cited). Also, I added the Compilation section to the discography to make the page for "Medium Rarities" easy to access, and for accuracy added the other two as well, which have their own pages on Wikipedia ("Call of the Mastodon" and "Mastodon [album]"). Not sure how you would want me to further justify that section. Hope this helps!

RE Quality Control Music
Hi Robvanvee. You sent me the following note: “An edit that you recently made to Quality Control Music seemed to be a test and has been removed. If you want to practice editing, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits referred to above, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so that you can avoid further irrelevant notices."

Well, I have no idea what you are talking about as I have never been to that page and to the best of my knowledge this is not a shared IP address. This is not the first time I have received a note from one of the moderators telling me I did something which I did not. We tried to change my address but I see it did not help. Kaboodilski (talk) 07:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . When I look at your talk page, I don't see the note nor do I see anything in your talk page history that suggests I sent you a note. Bizarre! I issue many of those notes so don't remember specifically sending you one. The only person that received a message like that from me recently for editing said page was this IP. A quick glance over my recent contributions also shows no sign of a message to you. Unless I'm missing something...it's all most bizarre!  Rob van  vee  09:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

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Tupac Shakur article
Hey Robvanvee, I have a few questions I'm not sure exactly what the problem is with labeling Tupac as an activist....at all honestly. He in fact would be the perfect definition of an activist and a simple google search "tupac activism" would pull up a bunch of different scenarios that show he was trying to be an activist. I'm not sure why you labeled me as a vandal, that was not my intent. In the first edit, while I did put activist in his occupation description, I believed that the other words in the occupation should be capitalized too. Therefore when I saw that my edits were removed the first time, I though it was because the other words were capitalized and a quick "undo" from someone would be faster than manually lowercasing the words. I don't mean any harm at all, and I appreciate people who take time out of their day to help work on an incredible music artist wikipedia page. That being said, I don't understand the reason (or honestly the harm) for not labeling Tupac as an activist. In fact it undermines his career and overall message by just simply describing him as a rapper and actor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dopeboy95 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Please point me to the section in the article that pertains to his "activism" that is also reliably sourced as I am unable to find it. The WP:LEAD should summarize the contents of the article and the description of the person covered in a WP:BLP article should summarize the endeavors they are famous for. I, as stated am failing to see what exactly he has achieved notability for with regards to said "activism". I would agree that the lyrics to his songs were, in some way, a form of activism.  Rob van  vee  11:22, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I understand your point. I didn't realize that there had to be a section dedicated to that to be considered as an occupation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dopeboy95 (talk • contribs) 06:28, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Genre warriors
I blocked a few ranges, (a single rangeblock would've resulted in too much collateral damage). You can ping me if we need to tweak the blocks. OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:26, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * you're a mensch! Thank you.  Rob van  vee  14:41, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks for your time
Hello sir Fahad Purity (talk) 18:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. Is there something I can help you with?  Rob van  vee  19:04, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Nasty C
Hey Dude I Edited Nasty C's Page A Few Minutes Ago In The Nicknames Section I Added "Zulu Man With Some Power" Is His Nick Name Even Though I Did Not Give Any "Sources" And I Also Noticed You Were The Last One To Edit His Discography Please Edit The Albums Section Beacause Zulu Man With Some Power Was Released On The 28th Of August Thank You For Your Time...... Owami Mjobo II (talk) 19:20, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yo . If you know where we can find a source for that, I'll happily help.  Rob van  vee  19:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok Cool....I'd Appreciate The Help Owami Mjobo II (talk) 19:27, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Any Idea On Where I Can Find That Source (*_*) Owami Mjobo II (talk) 19:30, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * . Uitgesort ma bru!  Rob van  vee  19:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Crippled Black Phoenix
Hi Rob, just wanted to explain my changes on the subject. I did a morte exhaustive research and just put some members who had a different status (played only on short tours or in studio but never officially entered the band) in the right section instead of the "former members" one. due to the evergoing changing cast of musician is not an easy task to put order, but now i am sure and satisfied with the result.. and thanks for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.1.213.240 (talk) 19:01, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Eighty Seven. Excuse my late reply. Problem with that article is the Other studio and live personnel section. I'ts mostly unsourced non notable musicians. I'll need to do a clean up there. The article, as with all Wikipedia articles should have content that meets the notability criteria, which most of that does not I'm afraid.  Rob van  vee  13:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Rob, and thanks for your attention.I tried to fix some things and understood the other corrections. On the "Other studio and live personnel" "issue": the band has its own essence in rotating/collaborating with a whole lot of musicians. which implied a lot of work understanding who has been an official member, who a live session musician, who just a guest (which in their conception is not only a player/esecutor, but CONTRIBUTED to albums). some names are definitely notable in the music scene. if necessary i can provide sources for everyone of them, just tell. maybe we can have a sub-section, if it is not graphically great to have all this names listed, but as far as notability, my opinion is that there is a lot and helps to explane the project. Thanks again, cheers.

Spiller/Groovejet
Re: origin of 'Groovejet' name - didn't feel a citation was needed as it's common knowledge that the title of the track was named after the South Beach nightclub (which preceded the song by 2-3 years). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.195.146.244 (talk) 15:53, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, well WP:V says a citation is necessary.  Rob van  vee  15:55, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Personal Jesus
I added a topic to the Depeche Mode Personal Jesus talk page concerning the Def Leppard cover, though that doesn't seem to get many views or updates so I thought I'd send you a note too.

I am quite baffled at how the Def Leppard cover of Personal Jesus isn't considered to be a "notable cover". How much more notable can a song be that gets released as a single by a band in the rock and roll hall of fame, gets covered by Rolling Stone, and has an official video that has almost 2 million views on YouTube? There are thousands of lesser known covers that are accepted on wiki but for some reason, the DM pages have stricter rules than other artists. --2001:1970:4820:D000:452:672F:327:D89B (talk) 16:40, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Robvsnvee. I saw your post on my Wikipedia talk page and I wanted to reach out so I can become a better contributor to the site since I use it so much. I am not sure if this is the best way to contact you but I figured I would give it a shot. You have edited some of my previous posts so if this is not the place I am sure you will edit it out! Thank you in advance! Sevvy413 (talk) 20:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome once again to Wikipedia. I'd be more than happy to help you so reach out to me any time you need advice or assistance. Wikipedia is a fun place but becoming familiar with policies, while very important, can be challenging to new comers. Don't be shy to make an edit, in fact, be bold and if someone reverts you for good reason, don't take it personally. May I suggest clicking on some of those links in my welcome message on your talk page to start. Welcome again and happy editing!  Rob  van  vee  10:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

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File permission problem with File:Joseph Black, hip hop artist.png
Thanks for uploading File:Joseph Black, hip hop artist.png, which you've attributed to File:Joseph Black in Duluth.png. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file has agreed to release it under the given license.

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 * Yeah I must admit, it was done on the assumption that the original file was licensed but I've no idea if it was. Thanks for the heads up.  Rob van  vee  17:56, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I suggest you watchlist the Commons file. When the permission is resolved, the OTRS tag should be updated.  If OTRS confirmation is confirmed, you can crop the image  then.  Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 17:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will do. Would it be preferable to put the old image back for now?  Rob van  vee  18:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * After further pondering, I have a different suggestion. Use the file on Commons.  Tag the file you uploaded with db-author to have it deleted becasue it won't be needed with this suggestion.  Per c:Commons:Overwriting existing files, removing the black borders would qualify as minor cropping.  Overwrite the original file with the version with the borders cropped out on Commons.  You can upload the cropped version you have, or Commons has a gadget that you can enable in your preferences that will allow you to crop the image and it will execute the crop and upload on your behalf.  Now the image in the article will have no borders.  If permission is confirmed through OTRS, you have nothing more to do.  If permission is not confirmed, the image will be deleted.  You don't have to deal with a separate image that needs deleting.  Again, you have nothing more to do.  Cheers! -- Whpq (talk) 19:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Recent contributions you made: Sony Music Nashville
Hi, I noticed you made recent changes to Sony Music Nashville. You took off a section which included artists that were unassigned to an imprint. I would think that this is a valid and most correct edit to have. May I ask your reasoning for removing it. Also, Villa 40 is still listed, which has less to do with SMN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmoothDancer (talk • contribs) 19:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . I removed it for 2 reasons. First, no sources were provided and not all entries are reliably sourced on their respective articles and/or some don't have articles. Second, some of the entries link to people who are unquestionably not recording artists. Hope that answers your question and don't forget to sign your posts please. Thanks.  Rob van  vee  05:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Shadow of the Day
Can you source other articles on Wikipedia? (Minutes to Midnight (Linkin Park album)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:153:801:1C70:1F2:C0DA:A469:50D1 (talk) 10:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't understand your question. Please could you elaborate. I'm happy to help if you need assistance sourcing your info.  Rob van  vee  10:18, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What I mean is can editors use other Wikipedia articles as sources? My edit was consistent with the album personnel. I was trying to cite that as a reference. Is that a good enough elaboration? Can editors source other Wikipedia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:153:801:1C70:1F2:C0DA:A469:50D1 (talk) 10:46, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No, due to this policy but if you can point me to a reliable online source, I'll assist with adding.  Rob van  vee  15:17, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

DJ Foxx Tha Roc
Halo been editing an article with citations how can it be reviewed for it to be published? the article name is "DJ Foxx Tha Roc". Francinelumbala (talk) 01:09, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

DJ Foxx Tha Roc
There were issues with this article below https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DJ_Foxx_Tha_Roc

I have edited it with additional information and would like to request for it to be published. Thanks Francinelumbala (talk) 13:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Make sure you have addressed the reasons for its April declination (not adequately supported by reliable sources) and when ready, my advice would be to take it here. Good luck.  Rob van  vee  14:13, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Power of Dreams
Hello Robvanvee! Don't think we've crossed swords yet, nor do I want to! Erm, just a thought, but would not the Power of Dreams article be better as a as other bands/artistes that hail from Ireland use, (U2 for example). Although lots don't (The Corrs, Clannad etc). Just an observation, not too fussed either way. The joy of all things (talk) 15:12, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Happy to cross paths! I'm not quite sure I understand what you are suggesting but maybe I'm just being a bit thick. My intention was to sort out the collective noun issue and leave a hidden note as to why it shouldn't be changed back (I'm sure you know that). Are you recommending I add the template to the article? Or was I wrong in assuming Irish followed British English standards?  Rob  van  vee  15:42, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah-ha; me not being clear! The grammar and syntax is the same, but as they are from Ireland, I just assumed that using Irish English would be a default. Moreover it affects conversions, like metres and kilometres over feet and miles which is the default in British English. Obviously distances are unlikely to appear in an article about a fantastic indie band; as I say, just an observation! Toodles and happy editing. The joy of all things (talk) 15:54, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * So the hidden note should be changed to say "Irish English" and the template should be added to the article? Sorry to sound stupid but it's not my normal editing area. Whilst looking for something to do wikiwise, I thought I would go through all the Irish band/music articles and get some grammar uniformity across the board. Happy to do that if that is what you are suggesting?  Rob van  vee  16:00, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I am! Though like I say a bit divisive. So for example, you wouldn't put a British English template on an article about say, Guns 'n' Rose's or Savage Garden, as they are not from Britain. However, you might apply British English to The Mutton Birds as they spent so much time in London as a base, even though they are from New Zealand. I always imagined that the English variant template would be from the country of origin for bands, but, let's be fair to me, I am a bit of a muffin in these regards. Why U2 have an Irish English template and Clannad don't, is beyond me, as Clannad are fairly blinged up on the Celtic front and U2, well, are not so much. Like I say, it really is just an observation, not a fevered demand or anything. Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 16:17, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Right, I'm finally with you. Thanks for that and I guess there may be the occasional correction required depending on the circumstance and finer details involved. Cheers !  Rob van  vee  16:25, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

October 2020
I don't care what the genre of Murder Ballads is listed as, I just want to fill out its genre. If there is a list of approved websites that can be used as sources feel free to send one my way for future reference.99.230.58.230 (talk) 20:03, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's the problem. Aiming for quantity over quality. With that in mind, you may benefit more from this going forward.  Rob van  vee  07:10, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * While I have edited genre, I've also been the one to back down when it's been contested, like say on Mr. Bungle. Editing genre hardly makes up the majority of my edits if you look through my history. And even on the Nick Cave article, I did eventually find a correct source for the album genre. Alternative rock was never the only genre I tried to add, it was just the one most frequently described by the majority of source, even though you dismissed most of them as unreliable without providing a reason or claimed it didn't say as such (the article which also described a song as reggae also described the band as alt-rock, but you still painted it like I plucked alternative rock from nowhere). If you look through my edit history, you'll also this is hardly a single-purpose account dedicated to changing genres, I've edited for grammar, I've reverted edits that have broken pages, I've edited biographical information, I've done a lot. But sure, link me to an article on a demeaning internet term while staring down at me from your high horse. It must be nice knowing you're SO much better than me. That's what this is really about, not helping me make better edits.99.230.58.230 (talk) 18:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You start your conversation off with "I don't care what the genre of Murder Ballads is listed as, I just want to fill out its genre.. but then try tell me what a great editor you are in your rambling essay. If you don't "care" what content is added as long as it's added, then you are off to a pretty poor start and your attempting to make me look like an asshole has seemingly backfired. Quality over quantity or don't waste my time. If you are prepared to accept that and retract that initial statement, I'd be more than happy to help.  Rob van  vee  08:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

RE: October 2020 / Aftermath Entertainment
Hello Robvanvee, I received the following message from you:

October 2020 ''Hello, I'm Robvanvee. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Aftermath Entertainment, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Robvanvee 07:28, 25 October 2020 (UTC)''

'''It looks like you have made a mistake in removing and archiving my change. The change was meant to link the name mentioned in the article, Dion, to the artist's page here on Wikipedia [(Dion Jenkins)]. When you see Dion Jenkins profile you will see that they are the same person mentioned on the Aftermath Entertainment page under former acts. In addition to that the current source attached to Dion (29) on the Aftermath Entertainment / Former Acts section also provides clear context as to the validity of said information. Please advise at your earliest. Thanks!''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thejtcollective (talk • contribs) 19:59, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . You are quite right and I have reinstated your edit. Please accept my apologies.  Rob van  vee  08:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

alternative rock additions
Hi

About 50% of bands on the alternative rock list don't have explicit sources with them. Why are you singling out the ones I added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memetimeradiohour (talk • contribs) 18:47, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . Because of this policy that says: "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution". If you feel any of the existing artists are unduly listed due to this criteria, feel free to remove them but just remember that some may be sourced on their respective articles. Hope that answers your query?  Rob van  vee  19:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Thanks for info but I checked and all the bands I'd added were correctly sourced on their respective article so I didn't feel the need to add the source on the Alternative music List. I was merely following the lead from the other bands sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memetimeradiohour (talk • contribs) 19:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As long as it's reliably sourced either on the artists article or on the alt rock article there won't be a problem but if not (and some of those you listed earlier were not), they will be removed again.  Rob van  vee  19:21, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks. So I know what to look for, which ones were reliably sourced on the artist article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memetimeradiohour (talk • contribs) 21:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , ok so since last being online I see you have re-added many of the improperly sourced artists back to the alt rock article as well as to several other genre related lists. What you perhaps don't understand is that the artist needs to have a reliable source specifically calling them alt rock or a derivative thereof either in their respective article or when adding them to the genre list. Several of yours do not. You will be able to tell which are not from my reversions and their accompanying edit summaries.  Rob van  vee  15:04, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I used the genre listed on the allmusic page for the artists I added. The other music lists (punk, Indie rock) pages don't have specific citation rules so I'm not sure on what ground you can remove those additions on those pages. All of the musicians I have added are to the alt rock list are alternative rock from both the wiki page and the allmusic page. Is allmusic not a reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memetimeradiohour (talk • contribs) 15:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The AllMusic sidebar is not a reliable source as per WP:ALBUMAVOID. ALL of Wikipedia is governed by this policy including these lists and if you are not prepared to abide by it, you'll end up being blocked from editing. My suggestion is to read these policies and become familiar with them if you intend to be here for a while.  Rob van  vee  15:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

yeah to be fair I was unaware of that policy. I thought your removals were fair. thanks for the help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memetimeradiohour (talk • contribs) 15:43, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to piss on your battery, I'm just striving for high quality articles.  Rob van  vee  15:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello again. I don't think I understand why all my additions to the indie rock/pop page were removed. They had good 3rd party references on the page for the bands themselves. I don't think I understand what a good reliable wikipedia page for band is or isn't then. I urge you to reconsider the mass reversion of my edits. Please look in more detail for the bands pages themselves. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memetimeradiohour (talk • contribs) 11:25, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure explaining will help as my repeated attempts above seem to have either not been understood or simply not read. If there is not a reliable source calling band "X" "indie rock" accompanying your addition, then you need to be sure the genre is reliably sourced on the artists own respective article, either in the infobox or in the "musical style" section which you have yet to do, despite my ongoing attempts to explain something so simple. No, I will not consider reverting your unsourced edits and your continued disruptive edits will eventually lead to your editing privileges being removed. If you want to edit productively on Wikipedia you will need to actually read warnings and discussions from fellow editors such as myself, including the blue links provided. If you do not understand something I've written above or on your talk page, please tell me but don't say "ok, I understand" and then proceed with your mass unsourced additions.  Rob van  vee  11:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

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BlaQ Diamond
Hi. I recently made an extensive edit on BlaQ diamond and noticed a roll back. Please explain to me the reason. Most of the stats were qouted from sources and the pictures where correctly added. For example the fact that they moved to Johannesburg. And that there's actually 2 members NOT 3. (I don't know who "lilith" is and in all their interviews this name NEVER SHOWS UP) if you felt some quotes were not correctly sourced. I'm happy to hear from you, but why rollback the entire thing?. Especially if the original also has incorrect, unsourced information. MthobisiMseleku (talk) 13:52, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

RZA Page
Hi My edits on the rza page (which you deleted) where all legitimate

the page has only the first two albums, and doesnt have subsequent ones, I think it's legitimate to edit it the way I did to include them

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Why are you removing my edit? I added the fact that he is making an appearance on Blac Youngsta’s upcoming song this Friday. The source is the track listing on Blac Youngsta’s Instagram.
 * New messages to the bottom of talk page and sign your posts please. As per this policy, ALL info added needs to be reliably sourced, something you have not done, hence my removal and the warnings on your talk page.  Rob van  vee  05:46, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Darkcore
Hi, the issue is that the lede of the Darkcore article has been concise for a long time, and then User:Solidest added some very weak sources for later usages of the term Darkcore jungle, that were never taken to Talk. I added the maintenance tag because where it was once concise, it now isn't with that addition. And now a number of editors are piling in and they've no idea about the genre either! 77.86.103.78 (talk) 10:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * As per my edit summary, WP:BRD. The article talk page is the appropriate place to discuss this especially given, as you say, "a number of editors are piling in". BTW, while your repeated removal of your talk page warnings is allowed, it also suggests you have something to hide and possibly can't be trusted to have the projects best interests at heart. At least in my personal opinion that is.  Rob van  vee  11:32, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

False Blaming
Hi, I have been a Kid Rock fan for almost 20 years and the sample credit for his song "Wasting Time" as a matter of fact samples Paradise City, listen to both songs and you will see what I am talking about
 * We're only interested in what reliable sources say, and regardless of your fandom, you're not one. Please sign your comments.  Rob van  vee  05:56, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * And people that delete talk page warnings from their talk pages generally can't be trusted to have the projects best interests at heart, at least as far as I'm concerned.  Rob van  vee  06:02, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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 * Time sure does fly, Thanks Gerda!  Rob van  vee  11:33, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

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Finley Quaye
Hi Robvanee, regarding the recent update that I made to this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finley_Quaye I'm not confident in correctly adding citations, could you please reinstate my update and add the required citation? I added his latest album to the discography, evidence of its existence can be seen via the album's listing in Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/album/3FJZ4VVlp8I5KHOV6nznMO Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.226.19 (talk) 11:22, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. The problem is Spotify is not a reliable source for this, unfortunately. Any other publication that can confirm the release?  Rob van  vee  12:12, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, ah ok. It's mentioned on a few websites, for example this one - https://www.oldbakerystudios.co.uk/upcoming-events/finlayquayesept19 does that suffice? it's also available to purchase on amazon, apple music, etc.
 * All sorted, reference added. Thanks for your efforts!  Rob van  vee  14:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Brilliant, thanks a lot :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.226.19 (talk) 15:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

New Page Patrol December Newsletter
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"Rather unlikely"
I've been enjoying your edit summaries. Thank you! Hope you're well and that our paths cross again soon. Julie JSFarman (talk) 03:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey my friend! Hope all's well your side too and that you are coping in real life as best you can, covid and all. Yeah that's me just before I lose it and instead of an uncivil comment I opt for sarcastic until the rage has passed. Probably not my proudest moment but glad you derived some pleasure from it . How are things otherwise with regards to Wikipedia?  Rob van  vee  13:42, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I've been leaving edit summaries that say "Ugh" and "Really?" recently. Totally get it! My head was exploding when an editor removed Buddy Guy from that RCA list; they were correct in doing so, based on the criteria, but there is something very wrong with including, say, Cage the Elephant, and removing BUDDY GUY. That said, as long as I stay away from Talk:List of best-selling music artists I'm generally ok.   You??? JSFarman (talk) 17:51, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey again Julie and sorry for the late reply. Real life...blah blah blah. Yeah, I watched that page for a while but the fevered activity on the article saw me leave quietly a few days later. Waaaay too busy! I tend to stick to watching articles I know don't have hundreds of editors keeping an eye on them. Articles like Michael Jackson and Madonna don't need extra eyes. I do enjoy label lists and checking to see if the new entries are reliably sourced, genre checks on band, album and song articles as well as the occasional trip to report users to WP:ANI for disruptive editing. I am rather proud of my almost 100% track record for blocks there (though I probably shouldn't be). In fact, it was most likely that which led to this, something I'm also rather proud of, though to be honest, I would decline if asked again. The reason: I want to enjoy Wikipedia and I think that would change everything as I fear I may begin to loathe the task. Otherwise, all is well here apart from too many new account/wise guys but hey, I was there once too. Hope you are having a splendid festive season, staying covid free and my best wishes for 2021. Let's not wait that long again to communicate going forward!  Rob van  vee  08:27, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * And one more thing that drives me crazy, while we're on the subject: the ol' "fixed typo" that's anything but!  Rob  van  vee  18:37, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Biggie's other name
People do call Biggie Smalls by "Big". If you look at many documentaries and interviews about him including the Unsolved TV Show, you would hear people calling him by that name just like how they call 2Pac, "Pac" for short because everyone knows that's a short way of saying his name and many people call him by that. Even in this website here, in the article about him and Tupac's beef they call him by Big. I don't think there necessarily needs to be a source for him being being called "Big" since many people call him by that and media portraying him. Sami0015 (talk) 08:36, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see this policy regarding your concern. It is especially applicable given the article is a biography.  Rob van  vee  08:48, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Joe Walsh There Goes The Neighborhood
The release date of Joe Walsh's There Goes The Neighborhood, March 10, 1981 was incorrect. The correct release date is May 15, 1981. Go to: www.45worlds.com/vinyl/album/5e523 If this address is not blue and you can't click on it, carefully write it down on a piece of paper and type it in. Or type it in a search box. And it should take to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeckylback (talk • contribs) 08:01, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said, the correct place for this is here. FWIW, your source is unreliable according to WP:ALBUMAVOID as it fails WP:USERG.  Rob van  vee  08:04, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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