User talk:Rock Yeah

Mambo Graphics
Please note that advertising, and conflicts of interest, are still problematic even under your new username. --TeaDrinker (talk) 07:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

How am I advertising or conflicting interest? The text is very informative and is mostly taken from the part Mambo plays in current university lectures and text.Rock Yeah (talk) 07:14, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The tone of your text is unencyclopedic, it uses advertising slogans, and contains opinions about the products and nature of the company. --TeaDrinker (talk) 07:18, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I can change the tone of the text, although the current page also uses advertising slogans. I will re-think the text, though the current page is also very untrue and unencyclopedic. Rock Yeah (talk) 07:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * If there's any way I can help, let me know. Please do keep conflict of interest guidelines in mind, however.  Posting anything that resembles advertising is generally quickly removed, and draws the ire of many people.  Thanks for your interest in the project.  --TeaDrinker (talk) 16:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

October 2010
Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia. While objective prose about products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Thank you. TeaDrinker (talk) 04:03, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Tea Drinker, I am really trying to be as objective as possible and citing neutral links and a very reliable reference being SUPERBRANDS VOL. 5 http://www.superbrands.com.au/BrandDetails.aspx?id=67 which is non promotional text as well as articles in Time: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1853177-2,00.html none of what I have added is self promotional or original text. You need to remember that Mambo is a part of Australian history, art and culture as well as being a business and I am trying to link to Australian references rather than promoting Mambo as a company. Was there an issue with every paragraph in the text I added? If not, if I add each paragraph as a seperate edit could you not just delete or remove the edit you have an issue with?Rock Yeah (talk) 04:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * First, have you read WP:COI? If you have a conflict of interest, you are strongly discouraged from editing related to that.  I understand you are trying to be neutral, but it may be impossible if you're working for the company.  Start with this: what is absolutely the most negative thing you can think of about the company?  Why do you think it should not be included?  Second, take a statement like "Art has played a pivotal part in Mambo’s development."  Everything in Wikipedia should be referenced to an independent, reliable source. Do you have such a source for that statement?  Many of the statements you make have the same problem.  They are inappropriate for Wikipedia.  --TeaDrinker (talk) 04:29, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I have had a look at the COI page, I am trying to be informative. If an outsider was to write this article they would only be able to do it based on published text and news articles. The statement "Art has played a pivotal part in Mambo’s development." is taken directly from the book Superbrands Volume 5 http://www.superbrands.com.au/BrandDetails.aspx?id=67 it is listed under the heading HISTORY and is the start of the 3rd paragraph. I am trying to also use this page as an example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiksilver it would be very hard to believe that was written by anyone not directly copying text from the references cited.Rock Yeah (talk) 04:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Your addition has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Let me be very clear: you can not upload material under copyright to Wikipedia and you can not use Wikipedia for advertising or promotion. TeaDrinker (talk) 08:33, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Is this just the image that you are saying has a copyright?Rock Yeah (talk) 20:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, the text. I didn't realize the text was essentially lifted directly from the reference you were citing.  There are two problems: copyright and tone.  As far as copyright goes, text can not be copied from a source (even with modification). All text must be original.  Tone is a bit murkier, but the expression of opinions is not really consistent with WP:NPOV.  Even if a source says "Acme rollerskates are the most fashionable," we don't say that unless the opinion is fairly notable (and then it is attributed 'the industry guide notes ...').  Hope this helps, --TeaDrinker (talk) 22:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px]] If you add the material back, I will block you. We take copyright very seriously.  --TeaDrinker (talk) 22:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Are you at all going to let me edit this page? If I write the text it will be my opinion and that is also not allowed. I had removed all original text after you deleted my first few attempts, so that I could prove that the text was from an impartial source. I have not expressed my opinion and some of the links I had added to the page are not all 100% positive towards Mambo.Rock Yeah (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:COI guidelines exist precisely to avoid such circumstances. No, you are not going to be allowed to copy text from another source into Wikipedia, nor are you going to be allowed to advertise on Wikipedia.  There's no way you can use a Wikipedia article for improved PR.  If you have that as your goal, you should not be editing the article.  But copyright does come first; even if you think I am being unfair in my assessment of your point of view, no one is going to allow text under copyright to be used in the article.  --TeaDrinker (talk) 22:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I am not at all after improved PR, we get 100's of calls a week from uni and school students regarding Mambo and the assignments and texts that they have at school/UNI not being thorough enough for them to complete assignments etc. I don't understand how above you have said that every opinion needs to be referenced to an independent, yet I can't use actual text from my references. Just for your information the references I have used to write this are a Time Magazine article that was written on Mambo, The Superbrands Volume 5 and a book called Cult Streetwear that features Mambo as one of it's top brands. The current wikipedia page is not correct, even down to the fact that the image that is on it is not a Mambo logo and never has been. The "Poo Shooter" reference is also incorrect as this is another brand altogether and none of the references or links really provide any information about the topic of the page at all. I don't understand how the original page was ever allowed to be posted. I have been reading as many wikipedia pages as I can to get an idea of tone and correct text and citations and I have not actually done anything that others haven't on other pages. Would you like me to send you the text that I have written previous to posting it on the page? Rock Yeah (talk) 23:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to take a look at the problems you point out. --TeaDrinker (talk) 23:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)