User talk:Rockchalk717/Archives/2023/September

Kadarius Toney
Hey man, I know it may have been a tough loss for the Chiefs on Thursday night, but Toney's performance was pretty noteworthy and made national headlines on reliable sources. PFF's score (even though I also don't like them that much) was also somewhat notable. I don't want to start an edit war with you, but just wanted to talk it out. I may be a Bills fan, but even if a Bills player struggles, I wouldn't be opposed to putting something about his struggles if it's pretty noteworthy (see Nathan Peterman or even Josh Allen's three pick game against the Atlanta Falcons). WuTang94 (talk) 04:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It has absolutely nothing to do with my team losing. Several years ago we had a discussion at WT:NFL to only include notable games, like reaching career milestones, breaking records exceptionally good games (for example, a quarterback throwing for 400 yards and 4 TDs) and uncharacteristically bad games from good players (like if Patrick Mahomes threw for 125 yards no touchdowns and 4 interceptions). Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. A google search of his name primarily just brings up results of him deleting his Twitter account and mentioning he had a couple critical drops. None of that qualifies for the consensus we came up with a few years ago to prevent NFL articles from getting excessively long.-- Rockchalk 717 16:27, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh gotcha. I do notice that lots of pages still have language such as "against the [insert team here] so and so had [insert stats here]", which repeats for every game the player plays in a season and becomes repetitive and even crufty, when it can be summed up in just a few sentences such as "Daniel Jones had a much improved second half of the season" or "Kyler Murray struggled noticeably from week 4 to week 14 before injuring his knee", and I've already had to clean up Josh Allen's page a few times.
 * I just thought it was noteworthy due to how crucial his drops were and how much coverage they got (even the page view metrics for his Wikipedia page were the highest ever following the game). Arguably, that one drop that led to the pick six had more weight on the Chiefs losing, especially as they only lost by one point. But ultimately, it's your choice what ultimately do with Toney's page, but I do think this game might be a pivotal one in his career, as even with Nathan Peterman's page, obviously his five-pick first start is notable, but I'd at least expect some mention of his struggles in 2018 even if they weren't as noteworthy. Just my thoughts unless my edits really do go against the policy that was decided. WuTang94 (talk) 16:41, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You might be right and trust me as a Chiefs fan I was frustrated, even screaming "get him off the field" after that second drop, but once I log in here, my fandom is put aside and I edit based on policies and consensus, not my personal feelings.-- Rockchalk 717 22:32, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Could you point me to that conversation or the official policy on which performances are notable or not notable? That way I can know for next time. (I also figured to officially join the NFL WikiProject so hopefully that can allow me to stay up to date, especially after years of editing). Thanks, WuTang94 (talk) 01:02, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I wish I could point you directly to it but it is quite difficult to locate old conversations on the project talk page even using the search bar. It took me years to join too so no worries if you joined late lol.-- Rockchalk 717 01:17, 10 September 2023 (UTC)