User talk:Rockero/Archive03

January 2006

Chicano vs. Tejano?
Hey Rockero! Happy New Year! I hope this year comes to you with all the blessings you deserve.

By the way, nice photo with Sarah Jones. She is hot. I think I will add her to my list of 100 women I'd do..lol!

Anyways, when you told me I should add a background about the native Mexicans-Chicano rivalry in the Chacon vs. Limon article, I became intrigued. It so happens that my neighbors, good friends of ours for fifteen years, by the way, happen to be of Mexican background, so I went to them to inquire and find out somethings before I wrote the article. They didn't offer much, except this: They are from Texas, and don't consider themselves Chicanos (or Hispanic for that matter) but Tejanos. This left me intrigued. I wanted to ask you, do Tejanos fall under the Chicano label??? Nothing to write about from my part, I'm just curious and I thought you could help me figure this out because you are the eminence in Chicano issues here.

By the way, I wanted to let you know I nominated myself for arbitrator. Just to let you know.

Thanks for everything and as always Dios bless you, hermano.

Your friend always, Antonio Guajiro Martin

Congrats on your Estela Ruiz article
+waytogo! Joaquin Murietta 17:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

The Project
First, you are an inspiration to us all, you have great positive energy. Also, your list helps me focus and when I have a few minutes, I grab a topic, and try to go with it.

Yes, we seem to be focusing on biographies, but they are easier to write than the big topics. Like "Chicano Movement", where do I start? Maybe we need an outline? Where do we begin? Joaquin Murietta 07:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Saw your blog, what do you think of Mexifornia? Joaquin Murietta 05:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar(s) from Joaquin
(moved to Recognition section of my userpage)



Aztlan Flag
Dear Rockero: I was deeply moved and honored by your request to put the Aztlan flag in my page. It is there now.

The flag is next to the Argentine flag because Im placing the flags in an alphabetical order.

To me, this gesture means you consider me one of the group and that constitues an even greater honor.

Thank you so much and God bless you!

Your hermano en sangre y raza, Antonio Naranja y Coco Martin


 * Hey Rockero, Im trying to award you a barnstar with the flag of Puerto Rico but it doesnt come out. I will try again later. And don't even say "it's ok" because you deserve it. Your friend, Antonio Casta Latina Marin'


 * Hey Rockero:

Whats up man? No, I didnt put the bandit image, that must have been Joaquin.

No problem about the award, man, you deserve it.

Thanks for your message and God bless you!

Sincerely yours,

Antonio Real Life Goonie Martin

Theater/theatre
Hello, I notice you actively standardize English usage in Wikipedia articles. Kudos. One edit you made to the Aztec article made me wonder, however. I have been accustomed to the standard that "theater" was used for the place where a dramatic work is performed, while "theatre" was used for "the art" of playwrighting, performance, etc. What reference do you use to determine a country's standard? And are you familiar with the distinction I have made? I don't recall where I got it, so it is as likely that I read it somewhere as it is that I made it up and thought I read it, so I wouldn't mind being corrected if that's what's necessary. PAZ, --Rockero420 04:38, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I take it that "theatre" is British/Canadian spelling and "theater" is American spelling. The meaning is the same for both versions. For a reference see: . GreatWhiteNortherner 05:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

A plea from 220.247.254.88
man,I am struggling with my user page bro. Please could you help me out.

ALso,how do you add images from outside onto wikipedia. You put the photo of sarah jones from your files. I wanna do the same man.220.247.254.88 09:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Jose Antonio Martinez
Hey vato. Got your user talk. I am indeed referring to Padre Jose Antonio Martinez of Taos, who was regarded as one of the chief authors of the Taos Rebellion of 1847, though that was never proven. More than that, though, he was regarded as one of the most remarkable men ever identified with New Mexico history. Here's a good bio by a noted historian, Marc Simmons: www.freenewmexican.com/news/5796.html

Anyway, until I start an account I can't start new articles, but I am happy to add what I know to the mix. I am a native Nuevo Mexicano, and haven't been dabbling in Wiki very long (we just got computers in New Mexico), so I'm going to just hang out for a while.--(preceding unsigned comment by 12.47.174.185.)

WikiProject Puerto Rico
Hola Rockero. How's it going? I wanted to invite you to become a member of the new project about my pais. If you want to, just click there and list your name where it has the list of writers on the project. As you can see, the page is poorly formatted. I don't know how to build a country-box, but we'll work on it :) Just like I am a member of wikiproject:La Raza, it would be a great honor to have you helping us as a member here as well.

I hope I can see your name there soon! Thanks and God bless you!

Your wikifriend, Antonio Menudo (group) Metal Machine Martin hehehe...:)

Got an account
This is the New Mexican from yesterday -- got an account -- "Murcielago". Can I ask a favor? I'm new to starting a page from scratch. Just did my first one "Battle of Mora". Would you take a look at it and make some suggestions? Thanks.--(preceding unsigned comment by Murcielago)

Thanks a lot for the comments
Just getting started here. Sticking with the subject, did my second on on "Battle of Embudo Pass." Can't get the hang of the battle box, though. I'll diversify in subjects soon and get more Nuevo Mexicano Chicano-ness fired up. Thanks for the positive input. Hasta la victoria siempre. Murcielago 18:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Concha Melendez
Hey Rockero, who do think you are, messing with my article? Just kidding (smile), I heard that you really enjoyed reading the article that I wrote about Lolita Lebron. As you already know, I have written over 320+ articles already. One of the things that I have noticed is that the contributions that Hispanic women have made to the American society as a whole, have been largely overlooked and never mentioned in the history books. I made it my goal to make sure that some of these women receive the recognition that they deserve through our project. I think that you will enjoy reading three of my articles which deal with three women who were willing to sacrifice everything and fight for their believes, they are Blanca Canales, Luisa Capetillo and Olga Viscal Garriga. I hope you enjoy the reading. Let me know what you think about these remarkable women. Tony the Marine 00:18, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Mex-Am/Chicano cats
I see what you mean, but if you review, the articles i recategorized all have to do with both Chicano/Mexican American. Do you sugest in renaming the category to "Chicano/Mexican-American"? The main reason why i did this is because the Category:Mexican Americans is meant for people of that ethnicity. ---> Sagitario 03:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know... i personally think it's overcategorization, but if you think it's apropriate, go ahead. Anyway, it's complicated how both terms (Chicano and Mexican-Americans) refer to American people of Mexican descent or origin, but some people claim to be one over the other. If i were a Mexican-American, i'd prefer to be called that, a Mexican-American. ---> Sagitario 23:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Mexican-American singers
Sorry, I nominated it for deletion as part of a group of nominations of categories that I thought were just going too far in categorizing ethnicity+nationality+profession (i.e. the similar Eurasian-American singers, Greek-American singers, Jewish-American singers). I'll let you know if I nominate anything else in your area. Vulturell 05:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Why nominate a category for deletion? I know quite a lot more categories that merit deletion more than Mexican-American singers in any case. Antonio He-WoMan Martin

Puerto Rican independists
Hey Rockero! I wanted first to thank you for joining the WikiProject: Puerto Rico, even if only as an interested person for now. It is a great honor to have you there.

You know, you hit it right on the spot. Puerto Rican independence seems to be closer every day by now, and shall such monumentally historic moment happen (there is always statehood (I hate it!) option of course) we need to remember those who fought hard for it. Heck even if the loated statehood thing comes we should recognize those who fought for our independence, those who, in my mind, are real Puerto Ricans, unlike those PNP pende....you get the grid..lol

Im gonna ask dad to begin the category, in part because tonight I have to go over to WikiProject Argentina and do my due article there.

Thanks for everything, once again its an honor to have you at WikiProject:Puerto Rico and God bless you hermano!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Ozzy Monroe Martin

i just hit up your user page!!!
burn!!!!!!!!!!!--Deweydstone 21:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Plan de Ayala
Thanks for the copyedit too! I hate it when I get tired of writing and idioms start creeping in... By the way, I noticed you have a long list of "Mexican" articles to be written. You may wish to add some of them to Portal:Mexico/Things you can do to increase their visibility a little bit. That template is replicated in WikiProject Mexico too.

Oh, and the "Soldadera" article has been recently created in Soldaderas. Just thought of letting you know.

Cheers and happy editing. -- Run e Welsh | &tau;&alpha;&lambda;&kappa; 02:38, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Onterio Varrio Sur
I am going to be very honest. I am only interested in gang articles because many of them intersect with my interest in all things Southern Californian. I would much rather be editing anything but gang articles (and for that matter, school articles).

The big problem for me is that all the gang articles are filled with a large percentage of very crappy information, as well as violating many of the RULES and guidelines of the Wikipedia. For example, most of the information in them is Original research|, and much of it can not be verified. If you try to search the internet for quality information on street gangs, much of the info you will find is from police wannabes, gang wannabes, gang "consultants" who have their own agendas, clueless police departments who usually copy info from some of the previously mentioned sources, and human service agencies who sometimes have the best info available but are usually as clueless as everybody else. (I only trusted some info that was added to the Tattoo article after seeing some verification in a trial transcript that was online!)

The recent edits to the Onterio Varrio Sur violate everything I've mentioned above, but also much of the Wikipedia Manual of Style, so you should feel free to attack the edits at will. My suggestion is to try to incorporate at least some of the info, if anything is salvageable, rather than just doing a strait revert. You should clearly identify what you are doing in your edit summaries, and also add comments about your edits to the talk/discussion page. Because the anon editors on that page will probably not see any of those remarks, you should also add some HTML comments into the text mentioning that any additions must pass certain Wikipedia standards (to add HTML comments, begin the comments with ).

Although I am strongly against warning banners on article pages in most cases, I think that all the articles on gangs probably should have one. My version of the warning would probably go: "Anyone reading this article on modern street gangs should be cautious of relying upon the information in this article. Anyone edits and adds information to this article should read the Wikipedia rules an guidelines first and make sure the information they add is verifiable and not original research."

The best thing for you may be to try to recruit some of the people who are regularly editing and reverting the vandalism on many of the gang articles on the Wikipedia (look at the Crips and Bloods articles, for example), and then create a street gangs WikiProject.The start with an article like Stanley Williams that already has many inline references and convert the article to the current Wikipedia standard for references and footnotes. Then do the same for the Crips and Bloods articles. Once that's done, it will make it much easier to delete any crap that's added because you can say anything without citations gets deleted.

I am also tempted to nominate some of the gang articles on the Wikipedia for deletion, such as the List of Los Angeles street gangs, because they are almost 100% original research and will never come close to meeting Wikipedia standards.

Also, for short gang articles, there is now a gang-stub so that it will be easier to identify them.

Good luck with your editing. I'll try to keep an eye on the article as well. BlankVerse 08:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Nativist or Anti-illegal immigrant, pro-secure borders organizations?
The names for these organizations are extremely confusing and I think it's almost half the reason why there is so much controversy connected to articles concerning these organizations. How does a wikipedia article remain NPOV without stripping any and all titles like these from organizations? If you call a nativist organization "anti-illegal immigrant" it seems like it is giving them some form of legitimacy while making a judgement on their actions. It also seems to throw in individuals and groups that truly care about the U.S. borders in with less than savory organizations. I don't think anyone would agree that Lou Dobbs, of CNN, belongs anywhere near Joe Turner, the leader of Save Our State. The former seems to genuinely care about border issues while the latter spends his time hanging around hate groups and protesting anything that doesn't look like "white culture." However both try to fall under the "anti-illegal immigrant" label. The word "natavist" seems to have fallen into disuse as groups try to avoid that label and I also think naming an organization that would be POV. I mention this here because it seems as good a place as any to discuss this. Mosquito-001 16:56, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right, this is a tough question. I think the easiest way around it, which is sort of weaselly, is to describe the group as "a self-described secure borders" (or anti-illegal immigration, etc.) group.  This puts the description into their own mouths.  Other labels others have applied to them can go later on in the article when discussing criticism and opposition.  Then the problem becomes categorization.  I think the simplest way around that problem is to categorize these groups/phenomena under Category:History of immigration to the United States.  I think the word nativist ought only be used to describe the historical Know-Nothing party and its adherents.--Rockero420 18:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Cantinflas
Thanks, I appreciate the compliment. You might be surprised to know that I've only seen one Cantinflas film, but my parents absolutely adore him. I figured it should have an article comparable to that of Charlie Chaplin. Gflores Talk 02:29, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've sent Cantinflas to peer-review. Please post any comments or suggestions here. I wouldn't mind some help, either. :) Gflores Talk 22:07, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That's great! I found a short book about him at my school's library. Someone has the book you mentioned checked out, unfortunately. I'm going to make a table for his filmography, but I'm going to leave out the director column (other FA for actors don't seem to have that column). Also, apparently, Cantinflas has a cd! Gflores Talk 23:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Catolicos-por-la-raza.jpg
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Save our state prototype
I like it. It obviously needs more input from all the editors with different viewpoints but I like its format and where it is heading with all the different sources. Great job! Mosquito-001 22:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Copyright status of Catolicos por la Raza.jpg
Hi. Your bot found an image I uploaded whose copyright status I was unsure of. I understand that the photographer is generally the copyright holder of photographic images, but I was unable to determine the name of the photographer. The photo is from a collection of personal papers housed in an archive at an educational institution. The person who donated the papers has passed away, and the University disavows ownership of the copyrights. So what are we to do?--Rockero420 17:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * In that case, the copyright is most likely to be owned by the photographer's heirs. As I see it, there are three options: (1) you can track down the owner of the copyright and ask for permission, (2) if you feel that the image is essential to the article, and cannot be replaced by a free-license image, you can claim "fair use" and tag it with the Non-free fair use in tag, or (3) you can wait until 70 years after the photographer's death, at which point (hopefully) the copyright will have expired. --Carnildo 04:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Aztlan and Fanon
My knowledge of Chicano history is disgracefully thin and I added Fanon mainly as a way of trying to link the movement to other movements with similar ideas around the same time. This in turn was as a kind of placeholder in response to your note--and don't ask me how I stumbled on to your user page because I can't even remember--that this page was in need of a change. The critiques of MEChA from the likes of Michelle Malkin and The American Patrol are so offensively ahistorical and distorting that even someone with essentially no knowledge of MEChA's history can improve on them, which is basically how you can think of my first pass at this. So, delete my additions at will; and I think your suggestion about how to use Fanon is a reasonable one. On the Internet I wasn't able to find a whole lot that directly dealt with this on the first pass--a lot of the panam.edu MEChA links are now broken. I won't be able to work in any detail on this until next week probably. Joewright 19:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Re:SFD
Actually, my main concern is that there are very few articles in a stub category. At WP:WSS we try to avoid small categories for a simple reason - the list of existing stub types (WP:WSS/ST) is very long, it takes a while to scroll through it, not mentioning the possibility to remember them all for effective sorting. That's why it's requested to have a minimum of 60 articles in a category (Wikiprojects have 50% discount).

As for Mexican-American/Chicano Stub, if there exist at least 30 articles on the topic, by all means add the template to them and mention it at WP:SFD. Stub sorters (me at least) will be much more inclined to keep it. (I believe that maintaining a list of 6 articles is a piece of cake, but not 30 or 100.) During the previous discussion it seemed to turn out that the idea of your template sounds ok, provided it's not used for people just on the grounds of their race. I'd like to see the unwieldy template name changed, also. Conscious 19:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Aztlan template?
Hey Rockero, whats up? I added the WikiProject Mexican-Americans to the list of projects Im involved with as well as the WikiProject Mexico (which I spelled MeJico because thats the right way to write it. Anyways, I was wondering if there is a template to the flag of Aztlan, becuase it will be my honor to place it next to the wikiproject link, just like Ive done with the other projects I've been involved with.

Recently I finished Juan Pachot for the Puerto Rican project. Let me know what you think. Also Im working on Ruben Castillo, let me know what you think so far. I will soon work on Evita Peron's designer. He said the famous words "In this country, Being poor, being gay and being a woman are all the same, because the ones in power always set us aside. Being gay is my biggest poverty". Now, you have to remember this was way back a long time ago, but I find this man fascinating. Evita Peron actually became more than a client to him, they became friends. Evita, of course, is one of my heroes.

Well amigo, let me know about those articles Ive finished or am in the proccess to. Also, about the template to the flag of Aztlan.

Thanks for everything and God bless you as always!

Sincerely yours, your wiki-friend, Antonio Por Toda Hispano America Martin