User talk:Rod mcinnes

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Rod mcinnes! Thank you for your contributions. I am Marek69 and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Questions or type at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name using four tildes ( ~ ); that will automatically produce your username and the date. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Marek . 69  talk 03:24, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
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Kondinin article - please note that the bottom of the article has an alert of sorts - we dont use et al in citations per the WP:MOS.

Also if you are west oz based person - note that we have a set of enthusiastic editors at the WA group in perth - and other things to do with editing in WA in general...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Western_Australia - if you are elsewhere - at least you have a possible point of contact. User:JarrahTree 01:15, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

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When leaving a message, they go at the bottom of the previous messages, and you need to learn to WP:SIGN - well worth doing that User:JarrahTree 03:02, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

In fact the best is to actually go through the items in the first message above - I haven mislaid my good link for the et al business, hope to get back to you about that. Never be put off by a persons edit numbers, it is more whether they behave civilly on talk pages is always a good measure...

cheers User:JarrahTree 03:06, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!
No I don't have an interest. I was following a link for John MacCallum, Skippy's creator, whose father managed the theatre. I found the site a bit frustrating in that the address, though accurate, can't be followed in a current street map, and the article ignores the existing Cremorne Theatre. I find I have a passion for improving the usability of random pages when I have free time, like today.
 * I understand entirely; with Wikipedia, one thing does seem to lead to another :-) Kerry (talk) 02:40, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Copy and pasting
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 * Hi, Rod! Although not stated, I am guessing this refers to your draft on James Ellis, which reads like something out of the Trove newspapers. If so, it is OK to use verbatim (if pre-1955) as it is in the public domain. However, you are supposed to acknowledge it by doing something like (below) the References section (after the references are dumped out). Note that the reference to the newspaper article here is just me using the "Cite" feature of Trove from that newspaper article (which is an easy way to do it, but it's fine to refer to it in other ways if you wish). I'll drop it in your draft to illustrate. Kerry (talk) 00:05, 1 September 2015 (UTC

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Copy and pasting Response

 * Kerry, I can't see what LeadSongDog meant either. The James Ellis text is copy and paste, but it is just a text dump in my sandbox which I am going to rewrite. I thought that it would be safe from deletion there. I did copy and paste some text in the main Cremorne Theatre article from a (cited) North Sydney flyer, which I thought would be public domain.  Reading the guidelines, it perhaps isn't, so I'll rewrite that.  Thanks for the pointers.  Rod mcinnes (talk) 07:44, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Kerry, I've now added all the Trove citations correctly. Still working out how to make the other citations look standard.Rod mcinnes (talk) 10:49, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I can help with advice on citations. Can you point me at an example of one that isn't "standard"? Kerry (talk) 21:04, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Any of the other weblinks. I know I'm supposed to use this format:




 * But it looks like hard work. My other problem is repeated citations.  I tried editing the multiple citation type (a b c d) (eg. the theatre database), but just stuffed it up.  I need to know how to define variables. Rod mcinnes (talk) 21:47, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Quick tutorial on citations
OK, it looks like you already know how to add a pre-formatted citation from Trove. (Let me know if that's not so).

Next, let's talk about non-Trove citations. Saying "it's hard work" suggest to me that you have not yet discovered the "Cite" on the toolbar. If you click it, the arrow to the left of the word Cite will become a downward pointing arrow and you will get a 2nd line of toolbar with "Templates" dropdown, "Named references", and "Error Check". If you look on the Templates dropdown, you will see four options: cite web, cite news, cite book, and cite journal. So when you want to create a citation, click your mouse at the spot in the article where you want the citation to appear (where you would otherwise have started typing ). If you select the citation type that best meets your needs, you will get a pop-up form for the commonly used information in that kind of citation. Just fill out the form with as many fields as you know and click Insert. Magically the horrible syntax will be written for you.

As a concrete example, if you wanted to cite the webpage http://www.qpac.com.au/explore_and_learn/qpac/venues/cremorne_theatre/ you would choose "cite web" from the drop down and then fill in these fields:
 * Title: Cremorne Theatre
 * URL : http://www.qpac.com.au/explore_and_learn/qpac/venues/cremorne_theatre/
 * Publisher: Queensland Performing Arts Centre
 * Accessdate : click the calendar symbol to get today's date (almost always when you looked at the webpage!)
 * Reference name: qpac (a short but memorable way to refer to this citation -- needed for re-use)

Then click Insert. What you will see added into the article is:

which will look like this as a citation:

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