User talk:RodgersR

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Further questions about my blocking
How is the Coming Home Network not notable? Four other pages reference the Network on Wikipedia, instead of referring to rules please explain this in your own words. C John McClosky, an advisor for the CHNetwork, wished an internal link to the Coming Home Network in his article, the reason for my writing the Coming Home page. EWTNs page directly references the Journey Home Program and Marcus Grodi founder of the Coming Home Network. As to the copy write laws, all material posted is our property we can do with it as we wish. Please feel free to contact me through my personal email as I am unable to do such through my Wiki account rob@chnetwork.org, my thanks in advance.
 * Your blocking was purely for the username. We do not allow username to represent an organization of any sort. As for notability, I'll copy and paste the notability criterion:

Primary criterion
"A notable has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works that are reliable and independent of the subject." The depth of coverage of the subject by the sources should be considered in determining the number of sources needed. In the absence of multiple sources, it must be possible to verify that the source reflects a neutral point of view and is credible. Lack of multiple sources suggests that the topic is more suitable for inclusion in an article on a broader topic. Further definition of this concept is provided at the notability guideline.

Examples of sources to satisfy the criterion include reliable published works in all forms, such as (for examples) newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations except for the following:
 * Press releases; autobiographies; advertising for the company, corporation, organization, or group; and other works where the company, corporation, organization, or group talks about itself &mdash; whether published by the company, corporation, organization, or group itself, or re-printed by other people. Self-published material or published at the direction of the subject of the article would be a primary source and falls under a different policy.


 * Works carrying merely trivial coverage; such as (for examples) newspaper articles that simply report meeting times or extended shopping hours, or the publications of telephone numbers, addresses, and directions in business directories.

To explain this, it doesn't matter how many times it's referenced, it needs to have secondary sources outside of Wikipedia (Wikipedia is not a reliable source for Wikipedia articles) and the organization itself that state it is important in some way. In its current state upon deletion, it had no such sources. Also, it would have been deleted as it was a verbatim copy and paste from here. This is not licensed under the GFDL and therefore not allowed on Wikipedia. You have to remember that even though you own the copyright, you have not given express permission to Wikipedia to use it. There's another process to this if you're interested but you would then lose the copyright on the original page and it would be transferred to a GFDL license. Thanks. Sasquatch t|c 17:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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 * Sorry about the large amount of reading material. Cheers and happy editing. Sasquatch t|c 17:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

my apologies
Sasquatch I was mistaken, my pages keep switching from CHNetwork and RodgersR, which is working fine. When you have time please read my responses to your posts on CHNetwork user talk thanks and again for the help RodgersR 18:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Coming Home Network
A tag has been placed on Coming Home Network, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Pan Dan 14:49, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

This is on your page as well
Greetings Pan Dan, you removed the Coming Home Network page before I could even write a hang on. The CHNetwork is huge asset to thousands of peoples lives who are looking to learn about the Catholic faith. It is known throughout North America and in numerous countries around the world it does not need further advertizing. The purpose of wikipedia is to explain what it is and the valued role it plays in thousands of lives each year. Just do a search on the internet, "coming home network", and you would see the size this apostolate. The use of the Advertizing clause is relative to the viewer, I could say such about just about any article on Wikipedia. The vaule of this information is huge to people and your removal is not just by the reasoning given, tell me what is Scott Hahn's page, or EWTN's page.RodgersR 15:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your note. To avoid deletion in the future, please find reliable sources about CHN, that are independent of CHN, and write the article using those.  In this way you will be able to write an article that is both verified and neutral in tone -- these two policies are central to Wikipedia.  The sources must also, of course, be sufficiently in-depth, so that there is actually enough source material for an encyclopedia article.  If there are currently no in-depth, reliable, independent sources on CHN, then please wait for such sources to emerge before writing an article on CHN. By the way, the admin who deleted the article (it wasn't me because I'm not an admin so I can't delete articles :)) noted that the article appeared to be a copy from CHN's website. See .  It didn't look to me like it was a direct copy from that website.  However, it did appear promotional, which is why I tagged it for deletion.  As above, a Wikipedia article that is both verified and neutral must be written from sources independent of the subject, so it's really not a good idea to use CHN's website as a source. Finally, please note that any other articles on Wikipedia that are not verified or neutral should be fixed or deleted also -- existence of non-neutral articles about other topics is not a reason to allow a non-neutral article about CHN. Pan Dan 19:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Alpha and Omega Ministries
Pan is this not outright advertizing? Alpha and Omega Ministries offers no links, on real verification of who it is other then by it own page. This is my confusion with the CHNetwork being labelled as such. Thank you RodgersR 16:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Coming Home Network
A tag has been placed on Coming Home Network, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you feel that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add  on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

p.s. I've added this tag because the article was previously speedy deleted and it still does not appear to meet our notability guidelines.  JHMM13  20:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)