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Featured article candidates/Jade Goody/archive1
Were you ready for the article to be listed at WP:FAC? Dabomb87 (talk) 21:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no view on it either way, but I might take a look at it. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  21:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Possible move of Nazi plunder
I have started a discussion on possibly moving Nazi plunder. As you are currently a reasonably active editor, as well as a past contributor to the article, I hope you can find some time to make comments at renaming Nazi plunder. Un sch  ool  17:46, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've taken a look at this, and have no opinion either way. Whatever consensus is reached is fine with me. Rodhull  andemu  17:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Advice needed
Per User talk:Vianello (permalink), an admin from the Vietnamese Wikipedia could use some advice about dealing with page-move vandals. Since the admin that was asked doesn't know what to do to combat this vandalism, I've contacted you to see if you can give him some advice. If you can help, please reply at User talk:Vinhtantran (to keep discussion centralized since I've posted this message at the talk pages of several admins). Thanks, Cunard (talk) 00:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks to me that he's had the correct advice already. Rodhull  andemu  13:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The Beatles
Hi. I will start by saying "hi!". Anyway, concerning the very openning sentence for The Beatles article, I was wondering might you be able to re-adjust it as this: The Beatles were a pop/rock band formed at their native home of Liverpool, England in 1960. Also, I have this discography I've worked on for awhile now, ABBA discography, which I believe to be finally complete. Might you be able to check this out for me, nominate it as a Featured Article, if you think it's deserving enough (I think so, and hope it is), and in return, knowing you've done countless edits on making Wikipedia a better place, I will reward you with an Original Barnstar award. Even if the discography does not hold up as to being FA nominated material, at least re-adjust The Beatles' openning sentence and I'll still give you a Barnstar that you truly deserve. --76.198.234.254 (talk) 15:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There is currently a discussion on this wording at Talk:The Beatles, and I think consensus is going to end up being for "were", so if you don't mind, I'll not edit-war and let that develop for a short time. As for the ABBA Discography, I'm not very experienced with Featured Articles and rarely have the time to get involved in lengthy processes- however, I'll take a look at it and see if there any glaring problems. I'll get back to you. Cheers. Rodhull  andemu  15:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Threat?
Look at this and tell me if you think there's a reason to be concerned.  R ad io pa th y  •talk•  17:42, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We have time to act on this; I'm looking into it. Rodhull  andemu  17:54, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It occurred to me that the last day of school might be this Friday, the tenth - isn't that correct? - which could make that edit just a sick hoax.   But anyway, the wording itself, and naming a name really freaked me out, and I think the right thing was done.  R ad io pa th y  •talk•   00:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

FYI
Thriller album will be appearing on the main page on Tuesday, please watchlist it. — Please comment  R  2  23:05, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ It's good to see you back here, and I sincerely hope you are feeling able to overcome your natural grief; it will take a little while for the dust to settle, and that will impact on most MJ-related articles, although I have most of them watchlisted. Please drop me a line here or by email if you need to talk. I'm not so much an ogre as I appear to be sometimes; in fact I have spent some time this evening going through old family photos, and that concentrates the mind somewhat. I have had to throw away pics of people I never knew, and never would, since we weren't that great about keeping family records. However, I have limited space and time to deal with such things, but they should be valued. Rodhull  andemu  23:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm feeling better, I know the funeral will be crushing though. I'm sure Jackson would be delighted by the support the public have been showing him in death. At his core, I'm sure he was a nice person. It's a shame he died so young, but there's only so much a single person can put up with before they break. A lesser man would have broke years ago. — Please comment  R  2  23:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with that analysis; I've seen MJ interviews in which he comes across as child-like, rather than childish, and I can understand that. Against that, he probably trusted nobody who might say to him, "Er, Michael, that isn't going to look that good", and that's a natural result of paradise syndrome. In financial and psychological terms, he could buy anything he wanted, including friends, but that is no substitute for deep relationships, and I think his upbringing, fame, and criticism of him made him somewhat resistant to making commitments like that. Who knows what he might have further achieved had he lived, but the same could be said of Buddy Holly, Otis Redding, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, John Lennon and Kurt Cobain. Meanwhile, his legacy of music should be enough to ensure his extended longevity. Rodhull  andemu  23:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

All his own work
Could you cast your eyes over the files uploaded here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bankhallbretherton. I sent a guidance note to his user talk and received a rather discourteous and confusing reply. He seems to be under the misapprehension that if he photographs a postcard or poster he can claim "I created it" and apply his own Commons licence. 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 00:24, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, he's incorrect, and you've rightly tagged them as "licence disputed". Meanwhile, he seems to have gone quiet. I'd suggest that unless he provides valid dates for these postcards to establish copyright status, he needs to get escalating warnings, but having his uploads speedily deleted and some direction towards copyright policy might concentrate his mind. Rodhull  andemu  00:36, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

What about this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Haunted_House_of_Horror_(1969).jpg "All my own work" and a Commons Licence again 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 00:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Deleted as having improper licence, and I'll leave a note on his talk page. Rodhull  andemu  00:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Last one and I am off to bed now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lilford_Hall_PC.jpg 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 01:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Uncredited Unresourced & Linkage Problems
I'm not sure what the policy for adding to or editing info is on this site. Exactly how does one add further information about a particular subject without it being removed?

Sources were given correctly. Does that mean I have to list website sources too? How will I know if my efforts will be rewarded by seeing my newly added information is correct or up standard.

This site has changed too much for me to locate the expectations or rules for establishing my goal of sharing that I discovered. I don't understand how it could be of good faith.

Why can't blogs be listed? Do they not contain information intended for the subject linked to? What type of sites are only added as links? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Armoredavian (talk • contribs) 11:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What are considered reliable sources are listed here. When adding content, you should cite such sources to support your edit. We do not generally regard blogs as such, because they are self-published and unverifiable. The the types of external links we may use and may not use are set out here. Hope that helps. Rodhull  andemu  13:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

List of honorific titles in popular music
There is an issue at the top of the list, Roy Acuff is out if sync (in the list, not musically, well maybe...) and at the top. It dates back to this edit, I am just on my way out the door and don't have the time to sort it out, but would appreciate if you could take a look at it. If you don't have a chance to fix it today I will look at it tomorrow. Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 23:26, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am about to go to bed myself and am too tired to deal right now. Tomorrow, perhaps. Rodhull  andemu  23:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like you got it fixed, thanks. --kelapstick (talk) 15:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

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Long term spammer
A favor please: I would normally ask User:A. B. or User:Ckatz since they are very familiar with WP:UNID who is a long term spammer. The spammer loves attention, and aims to promote his bogus websites by mentioning them in articles and in edit summaries. Per WP:DENY I avoid mentioning names etc. Anyway, the above two admins have been away for several days, and the spammer (124.185.79.154 and 124.185.18.187) is getting pushy at Rod Beckstrom. I think this is the most recent block (it would be hard for you to confirm that the users I've mentioned are the same, but some investigation makes it crystal clear). I'm hoping you will keep an eye on the page. If you want any more info, please reply here (or email). Thanks. Johnuniq (talk) 05:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've had time to take a look at this, and will monitor the page. Thanks for letting me know. Rodhull  andemu  16:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Ianto Jones, Dead or Alive
I see you've been reverting changes to Ianto Jones to show that he's still alive. What evidence do you have to support that he's still alive? Whilst I may want him to still be alive he is obviously dead. And as no time technology is involved with the Hub being destroyed and the Tardis nowhere in sight, there's no chance of a "reset" as seen in the finale of Series 3. Jammy (talk) 22:08, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * He may appear to be dead right now; tomorrow, well, we just don't know. Remember this is fiction, and strange things may happen, which we should wait to resolve. We are not a news service, especially where fiction is concerned, and shouldn't try to anticipate the ending. There's no rush on this one., and remember that "gloves usually come in pairs". Rodhull  andemu  22:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Both gloves are gone though, and even if one still exists that cast member wouldn't live long still. There is no possible way for this character to come back though, saying he is still alive is like saying the rift died when the Hub was destroyed, logically impossible. Jammy (talk) 22:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't know that, and we have never seen Jack Harkness operating the glove, have we? I suggest this could wait 24 hours for a resolution, rather than rely on assumptions. Believe me, RTD can be a real teaser and produce rabbits from non-existent hats. Rodhull  andemu  22:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We have seen Jack Harkness operating the glove, he used the second glove to bring back Owen Harper. The glove was then destroyed when after it had aged Martha Jones. Both gloves are gone. And yes I agree, lets leave things until Day Five has aired, but until then Ianto Jones has been officially declared dead within the show, so will be noted as dead on Wikipedia until contradicted by the show. Jammy (talk) 22:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:RECENTISM. We are not a "blow by blow account" of a fictional work, and I prefer to let the dust settle. However, if you want to take on the short-term updating of speculation here, fair play to you. I try to take a wider perspective. Rodhull  andemu  22:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Kristen Stewart
Could you re-protect her, please? Or maybe semi-protection? A few tabloids rumors led to edit war. Barraki (talk) 21:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ until the rumour mill grinds down. Rodhull  andemu  22:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Award
 

Rod Hull & Emu A no-nonsense award for vigilance on Cunt pablo <sub style="background-color: #ffc; color: #c30;">hablo. 19:22, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Much obliged, but I'm only trying to keep that article within encyclopedic limits. It's what I do here. Rodhull  andemu  20:00, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Beatles Yellow Submarine
I find it funny, your insisting on a by the book interpretation of Wiki rules to remove information even when it is an astute observation (in this case by me when I wrote that the Chief Blue Meanie Character in the film Yellow Submarine is clearly based on the character Norma Desmond in the film Sunset Boulevard. If you have any doubts, I suggest you watch both films and look for the resemblance, which is obvious. How's that for reference? Character one is based on character two in said film. What else do you need?) Your erasing of such insights is, ironically, very Blue Meanie in it's bureaucratic by the rule book action. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedps1998 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it's not just me. It's the whole Wikipedia community over the last seven years, which has perhaps irrationally come to the conclusion that we are an encyclopedia rather than a vehicle for personal speculation based on comparison of two sources, however correct that may be, and insists on the citing of reliable sources for material we publish here. On balance, I think that's right for us, since there are plenty of other websites where such material is welcome- it's just that this isn't one of them. If you want to persist in purveying your personal insights, please go elsewhere, but they are not welcome here. We are a tertiary source, and not purveyors of original thought. Sorry if you feel unable to realise that. Rodhull  andemu  21:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Beatles Yellow Submarine(2)
Like a Blue Meanie Bureaucrat, you're not even consistent in enforcing the so-called rules. The following passage to the very same section I wrote to contains the following, which isn't sourced: "The term 'Blue Meanies' is actually a metaphor for bad people in government and corporations, who force their wills on good people (Pepperlanders), and carelessly deplete and ruin the natural environment, resources, colour and landscape. They are carefree about their destructive ways and will do whatever necessary to crush those (the Beatles) who oppose them." Yes? Said what source? What I am able to realize is your policing here is arbitrary, and inconsistent, and along with making snide comments about what I may or may not be able to realize is very Blue Meanie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedps1998 (talk • contribs) 22:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * With respect, that is irrelevant and an example of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and if it's unsourced, you are perfectly free to delete it with an edit summary of "unsourced", or tag it cn, or even try to find a source yourself, if you care to have to the time to do so. However, whereas when writing about movies, we are free to use the movie itself as a primary source as regards plot events and characters, drawing extraneous conclusions unsupported by external references is forbidden- and that's where you've erred, albeit in good faith. Meanwhile, I've been here long enough to recognise the epithet "snide comments" as a breach of WP:AGF and civility policy, and I challenge you to show that my comments were otherwise than good faith, bearing in mind that I watchlist about 1700 articles, I cannot monitor them all in detail, but that I do know when an edit is contrary to policy and guidelines. That's why I'm an admin, arguably, but that's no big deal- but when edits are out of policy, particularly when apparently made using sockpuppetry to evade scrutiny, it's annoying, because it destroys my assumption of good faith. It also helps to avoid edit conflicts if you remember to sign your posts. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  22:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Andy Murray and Fan Site Links
Hi again Rod and apologies if, once again, I ask you to look into something. A debate, which in my view is now locked, is taking place on the Andy Murray discussion page. Although it looked like we had reached a consensus a couple of days ago, that appears not to be the case any longer and the problem has grown in that the discussion is now taking place in multiple threads on different pages. I've been thinking of how to resolve it and the only way that I can see is that it needs a firm hand to consolidate it (i.e. pull it all into one place) and formally confirm what the rules mean. If they mean something other than that which I've been saying, so be it. I would appreciate your help - thanks. David T Tokyo (talk) 05:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've taken a quick look at this, and both "sides" appear to be making valid points with respect to the guidelines and the merits of the website itself- I would say that purely numerically, consensus exists to retain it, but I see an RFC has since been raised to elicit comments from other editors, so that might change. Rather than step in with an opinion, I should let the RFC take its course. I'll keep an eye on it, however. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  15:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rod. David T Tokyo (talk) 06:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know whether you managed to take a look at it again but I'd certainly be interested in your views. I'm learning that there's a whole side to Wikipedia that I never knew existed...  David T Tokyo (talk) 12:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Crocodiles at Murchison Falls
You have reverted my edit concerning large crocodiles at Murchison Falls. It is a shame you feel able to "correct" things you know nothing about.

During the 1950s and early 1960s the crocodiles at Murchison Falls were considered one of the wonders of Africa. I stayed at Paraa Lodge in the Queen Elizabeth National Park in 1962, and saw these animals with my own eyes, up close, from a boat that was smaller than many of the crocs.

As I stated, the reason the crocs reached such a huge size was the food supply. You are perhaps unaware (read the Wikipedia article) that at Murchison Falls the Nile is forced through a very narrow gap, and in order for this to happen, the water above the falls moves very rapidly. Any fish caught in this has no alternative but to go over the falls and be killed. The river is extremely rich in fish, and some of them are themselves huge. The food supply is therefore abundant, and there is no need to expend any effort to secure it. This means that old (and therefore large) crocodiles can still eat - and get larger. Australian salt-water crocs are not so pampered.

I shall endeavour to find some independent corroboration for this, and it is possible that I might be able to find some photographs in my late father's collection. However, the fact that there were huge crocodiles at Murchison is not in dispute by anybody who knew East Africa fifty years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sebrof (talk • contribs) 12:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not doubting the veracity of your edit, it's just that any information added to Wikipedia must be verifiable using reliable sources. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  13:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Nigella Lawson vandal
This anonymous IP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/65.50.103.227 dives into Nigella Lawson every few days and deletes the intobox image ... has also in the past attempted to replace it with a non-wikipedia picture of her. No edit summaries so not sure what his/her beef is with the current image. Any help would be appreciated. <b style="font-family:arial; color:green;">21st CENTURY</b> <b style="font-family:arial; color:green;"> GREENSTUFF</b> 12:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Has done it again after a final warning, so anonblocked for three months. Rodhull andemu  13:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Death of Baby P
I removed an occurrence of the (purported) surname which appeared in a comment on the talk page of this article. I do not know what, if any, further action should be taken to erase it / discuss with the IP who left the comment. Rachel Pearce (talk) 15:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, they're usually oversighted; leave it with me, I'll email them. Rodhull  andemu  15:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

For your attention
MAJOR flagcrufter has run-amuck. The Real Libs-speak politely 16:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * New user, probably unaware of policy, so I have left him advice; he's already had a block warning, and is clearly not a native English-speaker. I'll keep an eye on him. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  16:34, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Murchison crocs again
Rod said: "I am not doubting the veracity of your edit, it's just that any information added to Wikipedia must be verifiable using reliable sources. Thanks."

So you'll be deleting this, presumably:

"Wildlife experts, however, argue that the largest crocodile so far found in the Bhitarkanika was almost 25 feet (7.6 m) long, which could be traced from the skull preserved by the Kanika Royal Family. The crocodile was shot near Dhamara in 1926 and later its skull was preserved by the then Kanika King. Crocodile experts estimate the animal at about 7.62 metres (25.0 ft) long, as the size of the skull was measured one seventh of the total length of the body.[citation needed]"

When you've finished, there won't be much of Wikipedia left.

Sebrof (talk) 19:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * At least it's tagged for citation, and needs a who to follow "wildlife experts". As for who should take care of this, please see WP:BURDEN. And I have actually contributed vast amounts of content here, all scrupulously sourced, including over 100 photographs and some Good Articles. So on balance, I think I'm going in the correct direction. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  19:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The physical evidence of these crocs has gone. Apart from the Idi Amin period, there was little hunting of these animals (they were after all in a game park in latter years), so there are no skins, no skeletons, no formal records. I don't know if they are mentioned in Karamoja Bell's books, but if not, then, as witnesses like me fade away, their existence may be forgotten. It seems a shame that there is no place in Wikipedia for things that occurred and were witnessed, but were not written down in books. How much of what has been known to humanity may be lost through unimaginitive pruning?

I should have thought that this particular snippet could in fact have a place if prefaced by something like: "A witness claims to have seen...".

Sebrof (talk) 20:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is that personal recollections and experiences fail verification, which is pretty much a non-negotiable requirement here. However, this page claims that crocodiles may still be seen at Murchison Falls, so your recollection may have been overtaken. Even so, your proposed solution wouldn't work since somebody will still tag it with citation needed. Rodhull  andemu  20:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK Newsletter - July 2009 Issue
Summary: This month, we bring exciting news about our Wikimedia Foundation Grant, as well as news on our chapter Initiatives (get involved!) and our opt-out of Phorm. We also talk about Business Cards, a recent interview of our Secretary for use in university courses and Wikimania 2013 - which seems a long way off! We also include our regular features of chapter activities from around the globe, press coverage, and meetups!

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Forgiveness of Zozca
Hello, Rodhullandemu. Are you an administrator of Wikipedia? If so, please don't block Zozca. I want to give him one chance, but he can only get a chance, if he will pardon for forgiveness. I just want an apology from Zozca. Thank you.--Mark Linton (talk) 20:23, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I am. Meanwhile, I didn't block Zozca, that was AzaToth, who decided that Zozca was not here to contribute effectively. However, if Zozca wants to be unblocked, he can request that on his own Talk page. Rodhull  andemu  20:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Retirement
Thanks for all your support in recent months, I'm glad that we were able so overcome disagreement in the distant past. I have decided to leave Wikipedia and I won't be returning. My email is always open, please take care of yourself. — Please comment  R  2  15:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Truly sorry to see you go, you've put in a great amount of work here. I hope you won't mind if I drop you the occasional email, and I wish you good luck. Rodhull  andemu  15:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Stephen Dent redirect
Hi! Thanks for doing this and have a great day! K69 (talk) 18:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

jackson 5
Hi,

is it generally forbidden to link to youtube? How do you know that there's a copy right violation concerning this (old and probably unreleased) audition video? I think a link would add to the Jackson 5 page of wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.185.229.209 (talk) 14:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Somebody owns the copyright to that clip, and I doubt it's the person who uploaded it to YouTube. It's more likely to be the company or person who took the original film- therefore, it can't be used here. We have to be careful about our legal liability here. Rodhull  andemu  14:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks...
...for the speedy keep (shows I was right :-P ) and the unfortunate block of the editor. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 14:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought it better than an uninvolved admin close that, as you had already advised the editor; I might be prepared to unblock if he shows some commitment to fitting in here, but that rampage on WP:ANI sealed his doom as far as I was concerned. And he does seem unduly familiar with our processes for a brand new editor, so WP:DUCK seems likely. Rodhull  andemu  14:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, although based on his lack of signing skills, and absolute misunderstanding of WP:N, or even a lack of understanding what I meant about linking in other articles, he quite possibly not be a sock. If he is, then he's the sock of an equally bad editor. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 14:51, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Either way, I think the encyclopedia can live without his, er, talents. Rodhull  andemu  14:55, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I even went so far as to try and WP:AGF and search for Mr. Chesterfield ... no such luck. Of course, he was supposedly born in 1899, and is currently only about 87 yrs old ... isn't that what I read in the article? Maybe he was born on Feb 29, so he's had fewer birthdays?  ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 15:07, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

User:Misterstephen
It seems this user has a few good-faith edits (hard to tell though), so could you perhaps revisit your VOA block? Cheers, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:40, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Not all vandalism, perhaps, but the reviewing admin has clearly viewed his contribs and declined an unblock. I take the view that someone with a so-so record of edits who suddenly goes off the wall has become a VOA or the account is compromised. In either case, we can no longer trust this account to contribute effectively, and although the reason may technically be wrong, I think the result is correct. Rodhull  andemu  07:16, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

AWB
I had applied for pemission to use AWB. However, before I could check whether it was granted the page was cleaned up, adn I can't find any info on the archive pages. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You seem to have been approved by Jamie, and you are listed as approved. Let me know if you have any problems. Cheera. Rodhull  andemu  13:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Ohkay, thanks a lot then. Cheers.. :D --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 17:25, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

My talk page
In the past, you have raised a concern about my talk page "wizard" system. I have changed this to an FAQ-based system (User talk:Stifle/FAQs), and would appreciate your feedback at User talk:Stifle/FAQs/feedback or elsewhere. Stifle (talk) 12:01, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. Rodhull  andemu  15:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Enrique Iglesias
Yes.. thousands of kids go to summer camp each year. But how many world famous entertainers, singers, actors, etc go to summer camp each year. Please undo your removal of the Camp Kawanhee For Boys reference in the Enrique Iglesias page. It is a noteworthy fact that he attended this summer camp. It would be a non-noteworthy fact if there were a reference to you and your summer camp experience because you are not a famous and influential person. Furthermore, expanding on the bio of famous individuals only adds to the pool of information from which we draw, if we quash that information then where do we end. For example, millions of kids go to college every year so should we delete those references too??? --You Talkin&#39; to Me??? (talk) 15:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * First, the link you are inserting did not state that Iglesias attended that camp, accordingly it looks more like you are trying to promote it, which is forbidden not only generally, but also by this. I still don't see how it is "noteworthy" that he attended this camp, because it's a minor detail of his biography and is of more use in, er, promoting the camp itself. We don't put every minor detail of every person's life into their articles- or at least, we shouldn't. If you want to argue it on Talk:Enrique Iglesias, feel free to do so, but I don't think it's important enough to include, particularly in its dubious (and unsourced) context. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  15:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry...Hollie Steel again
Maybe you could reinforce to this user that this is indeed not encyclopaedic content. I left a note on his talk page. He started a new section at the article's talk page. Thank you.  R ad io pa th y  •talk•  04:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Commented on Talk. Rodhull  andemu  13:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Anton Peterlin
Hi. I've started a discussion on whether Anton Peterlin should be listed in the Everton first team squad here. Your input would be appreciated. Dancarney (talk) 10:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

my mistake
Thanks for catching this so quickly, wholly my mistake. Cheers, Gwen Gale (talk) 13:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

About the revert of Harry Patch
What I ment is that he was the WWI veteran man from the 19th century. Sorry for the mix-up. Plyjacks (talk) 00:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

To warn or not to warn
I was going to put a vandal warning on User talk:Ultimate sickness for this and this (which I reverted). However, judging by the talk page and the contribs leaving more warnings is unlikely to be helpful. I have no idea whether it is better to leave these editors alone until they leave school (and I know WP:AIV is not interested in this low level of vandalism), so I thought I'd leave it for your judgment (sorry!). Johnuniq (talk) 01:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * After a review of contributions, this editor is overall of no benefit to the project, and has had several final warnings. I've blocked him indefinitely as a VOA. Thanks for letting me know. Rodhull  andemu  17:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Natasha Richardson
I have deleted your edit and added sources confirming that Richardson was an American citizen. I am baffled by your comments. Nobody said that she was a citizen because she lived in America. She applied for and received American Citizenship, and that has been well documented. I certainly do not need to be regularly undoing vandalism.(75.69.241.91 (talk) 08:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC))
 * Per WP:BLP, it needs a source, as does anything here. Neither do I need to be undoing vandalism, but I spend up to twelve hours a day doing just that. So it doesn't help when people add unsourced "information" to biographies; that just adds to the workload. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  08:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I have added sources to the page, I would hope that should be acceptable. Thank You.(75.69.241.91 (talk) 09:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC))

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John Lennon and Elvis Fan
Hi Rodhullandemu,

I'm an editor on the Elvis Aritcle and I'm really not sure why I am contacting you. I have recently made a comment on the Elvis Talk Page,under the discussion Tiltled: "A Stolen Suggestion", where I have mentioned this article and have made a comment earlier title: "Just An Observation" and yes again, I mentioned this article in there to.

I must admitI'm a huge fan of the late John Lennon and would love to participate with this article,but hence you don't need me. But in saying that in my discussions I have mentioned about the Lennon Article being GA and I admire this,you did it and my only wish is that we could get the Elvis article to a GA rating as well. But I fear that this won't happen at the rate were going,till hell freazers over.

Again I admire and respect what you've done with this article and thank's for listening.--Jaye9 (talk) 05:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Tesco
Hello,

I would suggest that we leave in Tesco's computers for schools for the historical record but I will reduce it to one line. I imagine that this was inserted by their marketing department but wikipedia is not an advertising forum. Seen as you are a senior editor, I would appreciate your thoughts before proceeding.

Best wishes,

Skreen (talk) 21:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No such thing as a "senior editor", but I think a one-liner would suffice. It's hardly promotional any more. Cheers. Rodhull  andemu  21:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Sheridan Smith
I hadn't realised that the People from Epworth category was a sub-category of People from Lincolnshire - sorry. Zozzie 9t9 (talk) 08:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Michael Jackson
I would like to be informed as to how my edit to Michael Jackson was disruptive or a personal view at all. I was merely following a wikipedia notice that suggested I create links to the new article A Place With No Name within other articles. I found it extremely necessary to start a section of the article labeled "Posthumous Career" as his first pre-recorded song has been leaked. My logic was not from a personal point of view at all, I was thinking that if an individual desired to find out what songs have been leaked from Jackson, they would have no other way of doing so, than looking at his article. Once again it would be much appreciated if you showed me a piece of my edit that shows the slightest bit of personal bias. Thank You, --JDelo93 (talk) 16:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, I observed that you marked my edit as vandalism to a prior edit by Pyrrhus16. I would, once again, like you to show me in what way the edit i made was vandalism when i did not change a word in the edit by Pyrrhus16. I added to it with significant sources and truthful facts. I would really appreciate it if you reevaluated my edit with more thought. Thank You --JDelo93 (talk) 17:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't regard digitalspy or TMZ as necessarily reliable sources. "The song bears a resemblance to A Horse With No Name" is original research without a source and "if released, would mark the beginning of Jackson's much anticipated, posthumous career." is speculation and not neutrally-written. Per WP:CRYSTAL, we don't anticipate future events unless they are reliably-sourced. If you can rewrite that content, using reliable sources and with some certainty, that would be fine. Rodhull  andemu  17:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

TMZ is fairly reliable and is also not the only news source listed, they provide the clip of the song in the web link if you want to argue reliability. The fact that the song bears resemblance is not original research it is in the TMZ article as is a quote by a former America band manager verifying the resemblance. Also, the future events to be anticipated are very reliably sourced, i have linked the story of the Epic Records President confirming future song releases, and even explained so in my edit. Simple source misunderstandings or wrongly worded sentences should NOT constitute as vandalism, nor should i have received a message threatening to ban me from wikipedia. If possible I would like to request a removal or voiding of that notice. --JDelo93 (talk) 20:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I've removed it. The concern about the unsourced "if released, would mark the beginning of Jackson's much anticipated, posthumous career." remains, however. Thanks. Rodhull  andemu  21:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

sorry
I am very, very sorry.I tried to improve a page of total drama action.Sorry again jjonduncan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjonduncan (talk • contribs) 00:52, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:Hornbook -- a new WP:Law task force for the J.D. curriculum
Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 05:44, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Your note
"Cunt" is not necessarily profane, and the issue here is denigrating a fellow editor, not a scientific discussion of human anatomy. And if there are worse examples elsewhere, then we need to fix them all, not give up. Crum375 (talk) 23:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Profanity isn't the issue, unless you regard Jimbo as some sort of deity or that the word used implied some sort of irreverence- both of which I think Jimbo would reject. It's a matter of calling a spade a spade. We represent a broad spread of opinions here, but (a) editing comments to mollify language has never appeared acceptable, per WP:NOTCENSORED and (b) editing another's comments, unless they breach WP:OUTING, is NEVER acceptable, per WP:TALK. How long have you been an admin anyway? Rodhull  andemu  23:09, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Discussion about the refactoring at Jimbo's page. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think refactoring comments, however nasty, on another editor's Talk page, even Jimbo's, is permitted by WP:TALK. WP:NOTCENSORED is of moot application here, as is WP:SPADE. Sanctions exist for editors abusing others via WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. But neither of those implies a duty, or a right, of other editors, to refactor those comments on the basis of anything other than personal preference. And that's why it should have been left to Jimbo, if anyone, to manage his own Talk page. I get the impression he's mature enough to be able to cope with that. He's had worse. Rodhull  andemu  23:21, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Jimbo's user talk is more of a public space than the talk page of any other user, and has more direct bearing on the image of the project as a whole. By reverting you and Griffin both also engaged in calling someone an asshole, pretty shoddy behaviour from an admin, especially in such a public space over a stupidity that should have been removed without any unnecessary drama. Thanks, SqueakBox talk 00:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No. No. No. This is an open project, with accountability being allegedly of major importance. If someone wants to call another editor an asshole, that should have consequences, but it does not mean that we should sweep it under the carpet for reasons of taste. It was a stupid and unhelpful insult, true, but your response wasn't helpful either. If we are all to be adults here (and I am prepared to be), we have to accept that we will encounter things we don't like. Tough. Go somewhere else if you can't stand the heat in this kitchen. Rodhull  andemu  00:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the exception. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Go to sleep (you will need it). If I get blocked again there are admins at simpleWP and they will unblock me. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I totally disagree, the reason I removed it is because we do not want to work in a poisonous atmosphere where its fine of people to tell each other to fuck off etc; your heat in the kitchen comment is way off; we need a cool atmosphere in order to maximise our ability to create a great encyclopeida; the atmosphere of a classroom may attract unruly kids but not the knowledgeable people we need to make the project even better, indeed it turns these people away. Thanks, SqueakBox talk 02:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It was a translation, it wasn't a comment. That's the difference. In this case, it was acceptable, but in most cases it shouldn't be (IMO). Griffinofwales (talk) 03:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Wheel warring
There was no misunderstanding. Griffinofwales ‎was blocked for continuing to revert war. Please don't wheel war again like you've just done in your unblock. You're clearly involved and not the person to be undoing my admin actions.  Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 00:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Read WP:WHEEL again. It hasn't happened yet. And whereas I am involved, User:Griffinofwales edited User talk:Jimbo Wales on the basis of advice that I gave. He should not pay for that by being blocked. If I'm in the wrong, I'll say so, but I gave my opinion. That opinion, of course, is not infallible, but is based on about 44,000 hours editing here, some of which time I have managed to spend making articles; the rest is on combating vandalism and dealing with trivia like this. Rodhull  andemu  00:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 44,000 hours? There are only 8760 hours in a year and you have only been editing for 2 years. If you work here 6 hours a day you will have worked approx 4400 hours, maybe that is what you meant. Thanks, SqueakBox talk 02:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've undone your granting of IP Block exemption, and restored the block. I started a thread on ANI. Additionally IPBE should never be granted to override a single autoblock. The autoblock should be removed. I strongly suggest you not do that. Prodego  <sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk  05:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
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Enrolled vs Enroled
Just a note: You are right in insisting that the British spelling is "enrol" and "enrolment"; however, there is no such word as "enroled". Even the British spelling is "enrolled". Ccrashh (talk) 20:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, I meant to change it, as "enroled" (if it existed) would mean "placed into a role" rather than "placed on a roll". Thanks for fixing it. Rodhull  andemu  20:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ah...ok. Thought you got confused by the constant differences between Brit English and US English like I do.  I have a freaking "cheat" sheet about three pages long :) Thanks for protecting Hogwarts by the way! Ccrashh (talk) 20:06, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Hornbook/UBX
Hi, I got enthusiastic and made the change before you made your reply. Does the current version count as a "headed linear list"? The left and right columns make it easy to add the userboxes and to identify people who're using them, respectively.

Also -- even though I created this page for the benefit of WP:Hornbook, I think it ought to be hosted by WP:LAW, so feel free to move it to the page of your preference. Andrew Gradman talk/WP:Hornbook 22:37, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, yes, that's what I meant. I've no particular preference as to where it should be, so @ill leave it & see how thinks develop. Cheers. Rodhull  andemu  22:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

adoption?
I have an IP that might be a candidate for adoption. The IP does vandalize Wikipedia, but it also fixes things here. Since we have a policy of welcoming newcomers, I was wondering whether you (or someone you know) could adopt this IP, and try to get it to be 100% productive. As far as I know, the IP has never been blocked here (does have 3 lvl4 warnings however), but is blocked for a week at simpleWP (my other project). The IP number is 99.151.253.124‎‎. Please leave a tb or a response at my talk page. Thanks for all the stuff you do here! Griffinofwales (talk) 23:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to say I have some problems with that. First, if someone is going to commit to being a good editor here, they'll register an account and get used to our ways, which does not include vandalism. Second, at present I don't have much time or patience for that sort of activity. My holiday is long, long overdue (by about 20 years), and I'm tired. I will take a look at his contribs here and see where he might be guided, but at present (since it's way after midnight), I'll make no promises. Leave it with me, I'll get back to you. Rodhull  andemu  00:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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Why have you deleted my edit? I am in no way affiliated with Johnny Falstaff. I just LOVE the song, and am trying to turn people on to this great version. What Gives? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.158.25.2 (talk) 19:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Apologies.
Thank you for correcting my post. It was an error on my part; my source was not authentic. My apologies. Dantesqueman (talk) 01:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What source? Meanwhile, anyone who inserts "Cunt" into Immanuel Kant is bound to be assured of my *special* attention. Please tread carefully if you wish your edits to be taken seriously here; the alternative is that we'll just say "goodbye" to you, and forget you ever existed. Looking at your edit history so far, it's difficult to resist the conclusion that you are here just to take the piss. Rodhull  andemu  01:22, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello...
I just thought I would ask you for some help in dealing with a seemingly confused editor User:Unschool. I recently made some small edits to improve the sentence structure on the lead of the Abraham Lincoln article. This is all I did, all the info in the lead remains the same. But for some reason, he seems to think I have "Changed" the lead into something else which i clearly have not. If you could care to take a look for me...--Frank Fontaine (talk) 09:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've had a quick look, and this seems to be a content dispute which should be discussed on Talk:Abraham Lincoln, and not one requiring any admin intervention just yet. If you can't reach agreement, you may want to look at some sort of dispute resolution such as getting third opinion. I will keep an eye on things, however. Thanks.  Rodhull  andemu  13:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)