User talk:Rodolph/Archive4

Please could these deletions be reviewed?

 * File:Flowersongrave.jpg (my photo of SAS wreath, for Lord Jellicoe) - deleted as orphaned with no forseeable use. Is there a page you can see this being used in ?
 * File:PashaNikAksenovPantherHouseMountPleasant2003.jpg (my photo-very good contemporary art image) - the subject (painter) is not identified. Was deleted as there was no forseeable use without identification.
 * File:TidcombeModel.JPG (good photo by me of a 3-d thing) - photo of a model house with a (?) wax snowman in front. - deleted as orphaned with no forseeable use. Is there a page you can see this being used in ?
 * File:PotassiumCyanidePot.jpg (my photo, of old cyanide pot) - restored and on commons now.
 * File:GlassSlideofCulloden.jpg (good pre-1900 image/scan) - The slide is not dated, are you sure this is pre-1900 ?
 * File:Houseportcullis.png (useful png ?) - very low resolution version of File:Crowned Portcullis.svg
 * File:JamesEarlStanhopeDennerdetail.jpg (good photo by me, better than the one I replaced it with) - I have uploaded this over the latter one.
 * File:DecoyPigeons.jpg (my photo-good of decoy doves) - was deleted as orphaned and no forseeable encyclopedic use. Is there a page you can see this being used in ?
 * File:CharlesFanebyJohnVanderbank.jpg (this was a better version of what I replaced it with) - image is essentially identical to File:Charles ffane, 1st Viscount fane by John Vanderbank.jpg. Same resolution, same scan quality, differs only by a few pixels in placement.
 * File:FrancisFaneofFulbeck.jpg (painting of 1630-thus very old)


 * File:FingSilhouetteSteveAbbott23Feb2.jpg (permission from Steve Abbott)


 * File:Litup.jpg (Nick Thackeray) - OTRS permission not given. No free licence nominated by the copyright holder
 * File:Jinkers.jpg (Nick Thackeray - OTRS permission not given. No free licence nominated by the copyright holder
 * File:Fingask40thBirthday.jpg (Nick Thackeray - OTRS permission not given. No free licence nominated by the copyright holder
 * File:Fingaskreeling.jpg (Nick Thackeray) - OTRS permission not given. No free licence nominated by the copyright holder
 * File:FingaskTrio.jpg (Nick Thackeray, has given permission for all the above photos. -OTRS-possibly not, can't remember) - OTRS permission not given. No free licence nominated by the copyright holder


 * File:GeorgeBrocas.jpg (public figure (=2nd Earl Jellicoe as a boy), photographer c1920 unknown). If the subject is correctly identified the this image will be PD-UK. How have you identified that the subject is correct.
 * File:GeorgeJellicoe3.jpg (public figure, anon. photo, taken during the 1939-45 war) - almost certainly copyrighted. Even if the subject is correct you can't be sure this is in the public domain until 70 years after the end of his service...say 2018 to be safe. If the photographer is discoverable then it may be in copyright for much longer.


 * File:EarlJellicoe.jpg (photo by Philippa Jellicoe/Dunne, his widow, who has given permission, indirect OTRS) restored - found the OTRS email
 * File:JellicoeGrin.jpg (photo by Philippa Jellicoe/Dunne, his widow, who has given permission) restored - found the OTRS email
 * File:JellicoeSkiing.jpg (photo by Philippa Jellicoe/Dunne, his widow, who has given permission) restored - found the OTRS email
 * File:PeersRobes1970s.jpg (Lord Jellicoe-public figure. Photo by his brother-in-law, Sir Thomas Dunne, KG, who has given permission) no OTRS permission for this image.
 * File:Baghdad.JPG (photo by Philippa Jellicoe/Dunne, his widow, who has given permission)) - no OTRS permission for this image.

Rodolph2 (talk)
 * File:JarvisJune2005bySamWhatmore.jpg (Sam Whatmore, permission given-useful image for a lookalikes page)- OTRS permission not given. No free licence nominated by the copyright holder


 * OK, I've asked an admin to take a look, If there was an e-mail sent to the OTRS permission queue for any of these it would be useful to know. If not, I would strongly advise sending either an e-mail or letter about these. Others have advised about what would be required in such letters. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * thank you.Rodolph (talk) 08:28, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've gone through them all. four are restored (one because it looked useful, three I found a related OTRS email). For the rest see my comments above - Peripitus (Talk) 10:12, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * In respect of File:GeorgeJellicoe3.jpg, is this likely to be an official photo? (If so, then I think WMF has HMSO on record as saying they understood crown works prior to around 1950 to be unenceumbered.) If it's not an offical photo, then it may need some additional investigation to show it's truly anonymous.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:43, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think this is an official photo. It's a tight headshot with him with sunglasses and smiling. The texture indicates that this is not a scan of the original photo but is instead a scan of a printed reproduction, so we are many steps away from the source - Peripitus (Talk) 21:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * In respect of, File:DecoyPigeons.jpg - Wikipedia has an article on  Duck_decoy_(model),Depending on quality, the image would be useful in supporting commentary (if it were written) on the use of 'decoy' models in other forms of wild-fowl hunting or capture, something that I understand was undertaken on "estates" in Britan.

I also note Wikipedia has an article on Waterfowl_decoy_collecting although without further comment, I'm not sure what constitutes 'notable' in terms of collectible items. ( As a side note here, I will note that in addition to decoys, wild-fowl were ocassionaly the subject of 3d artworks, and in one instance an automata.)

A clarification as to them being Dove decoys or Pegion decoys is probably desirable, but could be resolved in appropriate captioning.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Only if we have an article that needs an out-of-focus, tightly framed image of only the heads to two weathered polystyrene decoys against a red background. Seriously though this image is never going to find use here - Peripitus (Talk) 21:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * OK. If it's an issue of image quality.. Perhaps we can ask the uploader if they have a better image? (Decoys are notable, just not out of focuse ones.)Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:19, 18 May 2014 (UTC)


 * In respect of File:TidcombeModel.JPG - Where was this a representation of? There are some references on Google to a not immediatly notable Tidicombe House in North Devon? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * No idea which building this is supposed to be. It's slightly similar to, but not the same as, the building you mentioned in North Devon. - Peripitus (Talk) 21:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, for checking.


 * In respect of File:PashaNikAksenovPantherHouseMountPleasant2003.jpg - The painter shown is possibly a Pavel Askenov. Google produced some Russian language sources on that name. I don't read Russian, so it needs some clarifications.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Could be but we really need the image's creator to clearly identify it. The only hint is in the image's title. - Peripitus (Talk) 21:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and like I said, I don't read russian :( Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:19, 18 May 2014 (UTC)


 * PASHA AKSENOV (for Sfan & Peripitus)
 * http://forum.artinvestment.ru/blog.php?b=159592&langid=5

Visual Thesis Paul Aksenova Posted 13-02-2012 at 02:09 by ART4.RU opened in Izhevsk ; man show Pavel Aksenov, a legendary party trehprudnenskoy commune. In the White Room Gallery of the newspaper "Izvestia of the Udmurt Republic" posted twenty graphic sheets, each of which depicts the work of someone else, had an influence on the artist. In fact, this exhibition - a story about the difficult fate of pyatidesyatidvuhletnego Aksenov. Talk to the legendary commune Trekhprudny, he emigrated from Russia to France in 1993. Soon connection broke off, heard only vague rumors Pasha moved to England, the poor, insane, and was treated at the clinic for the mentally ill. In 2008, he was suddenly deported to Russia and was sent to his native Izhevsk, where he has since lived with his mother in a two-bedroom apartment.


 * http://www.divus.cc/london/en/article/trekhprudny-time-to-ask-naive-questions?printLayout=true

For the action entitled, Sea of Vodka (Aksenov, Reunov and Ter-Oganian), the magnificent painter Valery Koshlyakov painted a splendid wave on one of the Gallery’s walls, in front of which was placed a table with cups of vodka.

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Some answers
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 * File:Flowersongrave.jpg (my photo of SAS wreath, for Lord Jellicoe) - deleted as orphaned with no forseeable use. Is there a page you can see this being used in ? [SAS wreath, discinctive blue. SAS has a following, and it was on Lord Jellicoe's grave, he was a founder of SBS/SAS. My own photo.]Rodolph (talk) 22:42, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * File:PashaNikAksenovPantherHouseMountPleasant2003.jpg (my photo-very good contemporary art image) - the subject (painter) is not identified. Was deleted as there was no forseeable use without identification. [Aksenov was in London c.1992-c.2004. Russian. I took photo of him in my studio, which I had lent him.]
 * reference to Aksenov
 * a reference to the Trekprudny gallery
 * He was part of the circle of this man: Oleg_Tistol.Rodolph (talk) 22:42, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Title of photo: -Nik/Pavel Aksenov, aka 'Quite useful art geezer: 'Rudolf Storage''-, at Panther House, Mount Pleasant, London, 2003.

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 * File:TidcombeModel.JPG (good photo by me of a 3-d thing) - photo of a model house with a (?) wax snowman in front. - deleted as orphaned with no forseeable use. Is there a page you can see this being used in ? [Is a photo (my photo) of  3D model of 2nd Lord Jellicoe's house, in Wiltshire, which was once part of the estate of 1st Duke of Northumberland, mid-C18th.].
 * File:DecoyPigeons.jpg (my photo-good of decoy doves) - was deleted as orphaned and no forseeable encyclopedic use. Is there a page you can see this being used in ? [could be used also in love section?] [pigeons/dove decoys date from 1940s or before. I took the photo.]
 * File:FrancisFaneofFulbeck.jpg (painting of 1630-thus very old) [worth having back]
 * File:GeorgeBrocas.jpg (public figure (=2nd Earl Jellicoe as a boy), photographer c1920 unknown). If the subject is correctly identified the this image will be PD-UK. How have you identified that the subject is correct. [knowledge of the sitter and his family, it is of young 2nd Earl Jellicoe]
 * File:GeorgeJellicoe3.jpg (public figure, anon. photo, taken during the 1939-45 war) - almost certainly copyrighted. Even if the subject is correct you can't be sure this is in the public domain until 70 years after the end of his service...say 2018 to be safe. If the photographer is discoverable then it may be in copyright for much longer.

A clarification as to them being Dove decoys or Pegion decoys is probably desirable, but could be resolved in appropriate captioning.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Only if we have an article that needs an out-of-focus, tightly framed image of only the heads to two weathered polystyrene decoys against a red background. Seriously though this image is never going to find use here - Peripitus (Talk) 21:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * OK. If it's an issue of image quality.. Perhaps we can ask the uploader if they have a better image? (Decoys are notable, just not out of focuse ones.)Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:19, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

+	 Rodolph (talk) 22:27, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

File:EarlJellicoe.jpg
OTRS found, image restored (see above), updated the information. Noted the biographical article on the subject had no image so I added the image back. Image flagged as a commons transfer. Should this file be renamed? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * File renamed : File:George Jellicoe, 2nd Earl Jellicoe.jpgSfan00 IMG (talk) 10:49, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

File:JellicoeSkiing.jpg
Longshot, Do you have information as to which resort this might be? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:44, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Genalogical source material
Having asked for information, I thought it was reasonable for once to mention something that may be of interest in bolstering historical/genealogical research you've contributed to.

Whilst looking for something else entirly I came across this :- http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yKlVAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA228&lpg=PA228&dq=1st+Viscount+Ffane&source=bl&ots=Vzc0pyFdeT&sig=nAFge4BrwOxiVp6dTYImkq53T7o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=gpp4U56uH8WhO83JgMAL&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=1st%20Viscount%20Ffane&f=false

Scrolling back through it appears be a scanned version of one of the volumes of an Early 18th century work called "The peerage of England: or, an historical and genealogical account of the present nobility ... continu'd down to this present year, 1709 ... Collected as well from our best historians, publick records, and other sufficient authorities; as from the personal informations of most of the nobility. To which is prefix'd an introduction of the present Royal Family of Great-Britain, trac'd thro' its several branches down to this time, etc. Compiled by Arthur Collins"

Whilst it may be a work of which you were already aware, I thought it was reasonable to leave a mention of it here, given that the Google Books interface, appears to make suggestions as to related works of a similar nature or age.

I hope it aids your research.

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

In response to new informations
(Apologies for what seems to have been an edit conflict.) Thank you, this is a further response, ( I will assume the other contributor User:Peripitus is monitoring). )


 * File:Flowersongrave.jpg - A wreath I feel qualifies as a work of artistic craftsmanship so Freedom of Panorama applies, In terms of context and scope,  I feel it would be reasonable to include an image of the wreath in the article on the figure concerned, It would be my suggestion that a memorial of this nature be sensitively considered in the section about an individuals passing, especially if it's a wreath in respect of a former unit with which the individual served.
 * (it was a quite subtle photo, I think.Rodolph (talk) 23:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC))
 * I've restored this and tagged to go to commons - Peripitus (Talk) 06:22, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


 * File:TidcombeModel.JPG -3D object, FoP possibly applicable,  Potential use would in an article disscussing either the owners, or the house (Depending on the scale or importance of architectural work shown.)


 * File:FrancisFaneofFulbeck.jpg - Given the age this one would clearly be PD-art, Was there a quality issue which led to it's deletion?. I would consider it reasonable to retain old portraits that are of persons related to those that have articles, even if the subject of portrait may not necessarily have their own article yet.
 * (it belonged here: Francis Fane (royalist)Rodolph (talk) 23:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC))


 * File:GeorgeBrocas.jpg - I am willing, given the uploaders many contributions on relevant related articles to assume good faith here in respect of the information presented here.
 * (thank you!Rodolph (talk) 23:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC))


 * File:PashaNikAksenovPantherHouseMountPleasant2003.jpg - It's reasonable to assume good faith here, given the new information.

In respect of the other images which seemed to have been deleted over 'permissions' concerns, It seems a reasonable suggestion would be to encourage the apparent owners to re-send the permissions e-mails, Whilst it is unfortunate and regretable, things do ocassionally get lost in the system. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:47, 18 May 2014 (UTC) (:::thank you.. I'm deeply impressed and grateful.Rodolph (talk) 23:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC))

Reviewing image uploads by User:Rodolph
Your patient response to what must seem like a vast number of questions and queries is commendable,

Although, I am applying common-sense, I am starting to feel a little out of my depth on some technical aspects of Wikipedia image policy at the moment, I've therefore asked for some wider views at WP:ANI, in the following thread. Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents (Your are being told of this because WP:ANI's guidelines state I am supposed to let those who may be the subject of discussions there know in the interests of transparency.)

This should hopefully bring the issue of the relevant images to the attention of some more experienced contributors, who will be able to advise on the more arcane aspects of Wikipedia image policy. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 23:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't thank you enough for your amazing efforts.Rodolph (talk) 00:13, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Rodolph, there seems to be a lot going on here and I'm not sure where to begin. I don't want to teach granny to suck eggs and go back to all the basics of copyright and Wikipedia image use unless you want me or anyone else to do so.  I also don't want to bombard you with lots of specific queries/clarifiactions either.  Can I make a couple of suggestions to start off with?
 * This talk page is getting rather long. Why don't you copy and paste everything that is from February this year or earlier and archive it at User talk:Rodolph/Archive1 (click on the redlink to create the page). That will get rid of a lot of very old, very stale notices.
 * Make a list of the areas that you feel there may be some confusion around. At this stage I don't mean specific images but genral topics, like attribution, copyright of deceased persons etc that can be discussed and then we can move onto specific.
 * You've obviously got some great sources and some really good images that can be used and to lose them or you because of the arcaneness and complexities of international copyright law would be a real pity. (I've added this page to my watchlist, so you can reply here and I will be aware of it) Nthep (talk) 09:12, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * thank you! Done and more here User talk:Rodolph/Archive2.Rodolph (talk) 09:46, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Great, mch less scrolling :-) Nthep (talk) 10:02, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I still don't understand. Can anyone please explain. I've just seen some images of work by Giovanni Giamcometti who died in 1933 on Wiki Commons. Why is this not deleted? Rodolph (talk) 01:37, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I wonder if any of these deleted images might actually be ok under fair use?

 * all photos taken by me but a small part of each photo includes book covers by someone else. All had/would have good places on the site.


 * File:Isabel Lambert catalogues.jpg
 * File:Moncreiffe of that Ilk bookcover.jpg
 * File:The World through Blunted sight cover.jpg
 * File:Marlborough Gallery Bacon catalogue.jpg
 * File:Sonia Leon by Craxton Christopher Hull Gallery catalogue.jpg
 * File:Roumeli cover by Craxton.jpg
 * File:CraxtoncoversforPMLF.jpg
 * File:Mani by Patrick Leigh Fermor.jpg

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Estate Archives.
It was noted in an external item for the Wikipedia Library project newsletter for March 2014 [Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/March2014] the specific etxernal item being (http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2014/04/14/public-access-to-public-books-the-case-of-the-national-trust/) that the National Trust should consider developing an appropriate scholarly access program to works held in country house libraries (some of which can be extensive private collections).

This made me wonder, if there were other 'private collections' in 'libraries' which contain public domain works, or archive materials that were not necessarily preserved in better known archives or collections, whilst still being relevant to scholarly and academic researchers. It is also noted that some "estates" (including those of the National Trust and English Heritage) hold historic works of art (and of craftmanship), which whilst significant may not be widely known to a wider academic community.

Given that you have contributed archive material from your own families collection (some letters in particular, for which you are due thanks.), I felt it would be reasonable to ask if it was worth asking the wider Wikipedia community including yourself on how "family and estate archives" could be encouraged to contribute to "Gallery, Library and Museum (GLAM)" type projects?

Given the issues you've experienced in respect of some material (to which the reviews on your talk page previously attest), there is also the consideration that some archives may be reluctant to contribute a project they feel is run by those lacking certain forms of credibility or integrity. This is something a consultation with the Wikipedia community could also consider.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * thank you for writing. I'm pondering your question, as how to encourage contribution. I'd think that most archives would love to put their stuff here, as nowhere is less stagnant, nor better in terms of sharing and gaining from that inter-connectivity.


 * In the meantime regarding chattels and other things that have been given 'conditional exemption from tax' see here, the owners are required to give some sort of access, very varied, from, say, six months a year to never, because it might be one inconsequential portrait or salver in a flat that no one asks to see. As part of the need to allow some sort of access, sensibly this amount of access is grey, as explained, the owners could be encouraged to put images of their exempt things on Wikipedia. Rodolph (talk) 15:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I wasn't aware that certain heartige items got tax emexption, Thanks! ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:03, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


 * And passing a wiki-link back to you - GLAM is the portal which is the 'entry-point' for co-ordination of a number of GLAM projects. You might want to address some of your response to my enquiry to volunteers and contributors there, a number it seems who have connections to expertise I could never claim to have. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * the award is very touching and deeply appreciated. Thank you very much.Rodolph (talk) 17:05, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

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Portrait of hitherto unidentified members of Bisse-Challoner's family by Arthur Devis (1712-87)
Greetings Rodolph! I've uploaded a newer version of a file you've uploaded (File:Portrait of a man of the Bisse, or associated, family, and two women, by Arthur Devis (1712-87).jpg), you can feel free to revert it, if needed. I did tilt-correction as well as brightness and contrast edits. Best, ///Euro Car  GT  04:27, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * that's useful, thanks, to have both, one showing its good Georgian frame, and your nice and straight one.Rodolph (talk) 09:21, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

File:Henry,5th Earl of Bath.jpg
It would be very useful if you could state where this painting of Henry Bourchier, 5th Earl of Bath, is located. It would be great one day if possible to get a better image. Many thanks. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 10:32, 25 May 2014 (UTC))
 * addedRodolph (talk) 10:46, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * BUT look on Local not Commons for new information  Rodolph (talk) 12:21, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. I'll add "private collection" to caption. Nice image.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 17:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC))

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 * but they are not non-free, please explain. What does multichill mean anyway?!!!Rodolph (talk)
 * You have constantly re-added File:A Time for Gifts Craxton cover.jpg, which is listed as non-free, to that page. Please stop doing this. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I had'nt realised this. I won't use the page again.Rodolph (talk) 23:15, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Only today was it declared non-free. So I may have put it on that page with that in mind. I think your tone is rather aggressive?Rodolph (talk) 23:21, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The file has been listed as unfree since 17 May and you have inserted it on the page at least three times after that date. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ok, but I did'nt have any notice that this was wrong, or unfree, as I don't have a Watch notice on that page, so I must have put it back without realising it had been taken down twice before by you. (I've asked to be sent a copy of the original of that file for my records). What else can I remove from that page? Rodolph (talk) 20:23, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Upon a quick look, I do not find any other unfree files on that page, so I don't think that more action currently is needed there. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

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Inland Waterways
Hi, this is a going to sound like a very odd question.

In an article on Wikipedia it is noted that Bradshaw's Canals & Navigable Rivers of England & Wales, 1904, 1918 and 1928. was written by a Henry de Salis. He died in 1936, ( so the work he wrote in 1918 would have expired under EU copyrights, as well as being in the public domain in the US. Much as it would be reasonable to consider the 1928 work, I wasn't sure if it had a US publication, and subsequent renewal.)

Previously on Wikisource, an early 19th century Bradshaw guide to the Canals and Navigable Waterways was already transcribed, (and I am currently working slowly at getting a very early Bradshaw rail timetable transcribed.).

If a suitable scanned (or better OCR) version could be provided, transcription of an important work on Inland Waterways (The article where I got the name from notes he gave evidence to a Royal Commission on the subject) could be attempted for Wikisource.

I am writing to you about this because Wikisource prefers 1st printings (if not 1st editions) and it was felt you might be in a good position to advise on where suitable scans might be obtained.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:58, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * thanks for asking. There is much stuff I'd love to scan and load up. How does one do it?Rodolph (talk) 00:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, it depends on what you have access to. I've personally scanned an old book in using a flatbed scanner (which takes a while). Flat-bed Scanners will typically save scans in a format called TIFF (or if color possibly JPEG).  Depending on the software used this will either be single page scans(TIFF or JPEG), or a multipage TIFF. For document purposes Commons apparently prefers an archival format called Djvu, There are software tools that will convert TIFF (and JPEG) to Djvu (although they can be complex to set up).

I would suggest asking on the English Wikisource Scriptorum, as contributors there have more experience with the tools needed for document capture. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:33, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * In terms of initial capture the following may be of interest - http://www.subchaser.org/photographing-documents I will note that for really old material (Typically pre 18th Century), the lighting used must be 'appropriate', as certain types of lamp can damage old documents. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * From a technical perspective, at minimum old documents should be 300-600dpi full page color scans.(per the link I give above).Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * thank you! Splendid information. (Though it is an interesting act of faith to load up a whole book, and then to watch it then being effortlessly 're-sold' on ebay or abebooks, print-on-demand, for £30 or so. But worth it all the same). Thanks esp. for the info re. potential bulb damage. I've an ordinary scanner or else could use a camera on a tripod, and then snap away...whole albums, books, lifetimes of correspondence. Exciting prospect. I had'nt really taken in Wikisource until you mentioned it.Rodolph (talk) 23:51, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

File:Allan, David - Bashkirs - 1814.jpg
As you were an art historian, I figured you might be able to help out on expanding the description, (and possibly the provenance) of this.

It was (wrongly) described as being by a David Allan, when it's by a William Allan. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:59, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * sorted. Info from Hermitage website.Rodolph (talk) 22:53, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 15:36, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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File:Wooden bridge Schaffhausen.JPG - Image is early 19th century, but a rough year would be nice. The source link given appeared to be a dead one for me, otherwise I would have consulted it. The article on the Swiss artist is sadly only a stub.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 15:38, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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 * the plate was made two hundred years ago, and I took the photo. Wassup?!!Rodolph (talk) 12:22, 2 July 2014 (UTC)