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Romanian Women's Football
Hello, Now all Romanian Liga I (women's football) clubs have a wiki page. If you want to contribute to their development, you're welcome. FC CFR Timișoara (women), FC Fair Play București, ACS Fortuna Becicherecu Mic (women), ACS Heniu Prundu Bârgăului (women), AS Independența Baia Mare, FCU Olimpia Cluj, CSȘ Târgoviște (women's football), CS Universitatea Alexandria, FC Universitatea Galați and Vasas Femina FC. Rhinen


 * Thank you! They will be improved, one at a time. Roff17


 * You're welcome, how about moving the season by season tables under the current squad and staff, I think it will look better. :D Rhinen


 * To be honest, I've seen the order not being consistent at all across Romanian and International clubs. The only reason I've put "Season by season" just after "Honours" because it made sense (both things relate to a season's results). I'd believe a good order would be: History > Crest, Colours and Kits > Stadium > Honours > Season by Season > Current Players > Current Staff > Notable Former Players and Staff, with some of them optional like Stadium, Honours and Notable Former Players and Staff. But I don't know, you could pick another order, I suppose it's less important right now- more importantly it's the level of detail one would aim to achieve with these articles. And more importantly- their aspect should be consistent with one another. BTW I don't consider my "Season by season" table format to be the best or definitive one, but as a WIP it works for now. Maybe we should discuss more details in regards to what could be done for a good development of the articles of this kind (so we don't proceed forward with opposing visions). That is if you're interested in contributing to fleshing them out in the long run. Roff17


 * ASA 2013 and CSM Targu Mures are not the same club...in other cases of re-foundation, they have the record, old logo, same colors, approximately same name, in this case are very different. I made different pages also for the men's football team or basketball, all clubs from Targu Mures went bankrupt after their finances were cut off. Now all were "reborn" under Municipality new club CSM Târgu Mureș. See also ASA 2013 Târgu Mureș and CSM Târgu Mureș (football). :D Also I would agree with this move if only the men's team went bankrupt and the women's team was just moved, as was moved in the past from City us to FCM, then ASA, but the women's team was on the same company ASA 2013 Târgu Mureș, which went bankrupt...Rhinen


 * I agree it is a pretty murky situation, as I did not take the action very lightly. First of all, it is absolutely clear that ASA and CSM are not the same club (as in "legal entity"). However, it is customary for women's sections to move to other parent clubs, as it happened with Juvisy FCF to Paris FC, or FCF Val d'Orge.
 * As for symbolistic (not a real word, I know) continuity, CSM does use part of the old logo- the subtle city crest that is between the little man's arms- symbol which has been kept in all eras, and suggest it's a team associated with the municipality- which always was heavily involved, having a stake in ownership. The woman's team has always been regarded as the "city's team", as the municipality was the main sponsor for this section (women's section in all eras). CS Municipal Târgu Mureș is a direct reference to FC Municipal Târgu Mureș, the previous refounding. That FC Municipal's genius leadership at a time tried to confiscate ASA Târgu Mureș (1962)'s legacy by rebranding itself and stealing the colours was the real offense. Like Cătălin Rufă's antics (one of the shadiests owner in Romania IMO): Damila Măciuca -> Metalul Reșița -> CS Sportul Snagov or even Nicolae Sarcină's (the other shadiest owner in Romania): Șirineasa -> Jiul Petroșani steal attempt -> ACS Energeticianul.
 * My point is that symbolistically, ASA was a temporary failed branding of Municipal, and the ASA name was just a grab like Rufă's Metalul and Sarcină's Jiul. The main theme of the team was the "city"/ the "municipality".
 * While the men's team might not claim continuity (different people, different staff and don't really care about continuity), the women's does (same people: coach, a lot of the staff and players + same grounds and municipality involvement) - and they were forced to fold by their parent entity, but they fixed their goal to refound the section with the very next occasion. While I agree that it is unusual to claim continuity to a section of a club- but not other, the precedent of female teams being moved is real. The bankrupting of the club due to the lack of financing was the municipality's attempt to root out some bad/unwelcome people from the previous entity, and the women's team were in essence a victim of this war.
 * While some debacles are really controversial - Wikipedia lists both CSA Steaua and FCSB as being founded in 1947, FCU vs. CSU is even worse of a matter, and virtually any refounded club should raise eyebrows (Ripensia Timișoara, Carmen București, Club Atletic Oradea), our Târgu Mureș continuity issue probably won't even be controversial, as per articles cited -Ref. 7 of the article - it is "understood" by the general public and press the women's team is the same. The only hurdle is what does the Federation actually say, to which I have no definite answer. It is probably an issue they didn't bother to bring up. And the record ("palmares") of the women's team might be too uninteresting in order for someone to ask in court to be assigned to them, or to buy it from the ones who allegedly "have it".
 * I believe your objections are more related to the early withdrawal in the 2017-2018 season (and implicit banktrupcy), and the moving of one section of the club, but not another. If the women's team had just finished the season, you wouldn't have had any problem I assume? Closely related, there's the issue of BC Sirius continuity- you've accepted the CSM women's basketball team as a successor (I assume there is the issue of staff/player/venue continuity, but not owner/entity/symbolistic continuity).
 * Lastly, I am not opposed to separating in 2 pages (I definitely won't start an edit war over something almost nobody cares-unlike FCSB/CSA; CSU/FCU fanatics), but I'd rather investigate the matter, if no good references are found that disprove the female team's continuity- then I'd lean in keeping it like it is for now- but I strongly believe that this whole issue (continuity uncertainty) should be mentioned on the page. And I hope that as the team rises back to the top of Romanian football (it will most likely promote to Liga II this summer), they will be more vocal in making clear they claim the record.
 * Roff17

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