User talk:Roke/Archive 2

Middle-earth maps
Great job on the maps for Middle-earth articles. It's good to get rid of those GFDL incompatible 'Encyclopedia of Arda' maps. --CBD &#x260E; &#x2709; 11:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Map of Queensland
Astrokey, you rock! Thanks for the map of Queensland. It's great! I really like it. Just two small comments. The state in the south west corner is SA, not NSW. Also, if you felt like fiddling around with it a bit, you might want to add the major cities mentioned in the article (Cairns, Townsville, Mackay, Rockhampton, Bundaberg, Hervey Bay, Brisbane, Toowoomba, Mount Isa), but I can see that that might be problematic because the fonts would be too small to read from within the article. It looks really good. I like it! Thanks again! And thanks for biting the bullet and getting the article started. I've been meaning to do it for ages. I hope you don't mind all the additions I've made to it. Let me know if you have any suggestions to improve it. (see my comments on WP:AWNB under 'Regions of Queensland' article heading). -- Adz 11:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks about the map and Arrgh! cant believe I messed up the states, it should be alright now. I really liked the way you expanded the article, I made a pretty crappy start - couldnt find any official info on the regions. It looks alot better now. I'll see what I can do about adding the cities -- Astrokey44 |talk 12:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. They both look great! Don't worry too much about the cities on the Qld one unless you really want to. Would be nice, but I'm sure you have better things to do. I also came across these locator maps which I thought might be useful to you. They are being used on National Park pages like this one but I'm not sure how you locate the dot where you want it to. You might be able to work it out. (I'm still having trouble importing images into Inkscape and playing with it, so I'm not getting very far!).
 * By the way - how do you make the link to your talk page appear in your signature? Is there a way of formatting the four tildas ~ ? -- Adz 05:24, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I can't believe you haven't been awarded a barnstar for all your map work yet! -- Adz 05:53, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The cities look right to me. Mouth Isa is right, and Toowoomba is on the border, but this map puts it just in SEQ, so it works well for me. the barnstar was my pleasure. You seem to do a lot of work on maps and things and it doesn't go un noticed. Credit where credit is due. Thanks for the tip about signatures. Astrokey44|talk 21:51, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Signature
OOOPS! I've just noticed that myself! I'm REALLY sorry. I'm about to go back to make sure i haven't used it on any talk pages. (I think I may have). I'm VERY sory. :-|


 * - Looks like Talk:Newcastle, New South Wales was the only one and I've fixed it. Caught before I managed to do too much damage. thanks for pointing it out! -- Adz|talk 23:35, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

COTW Project
You voted for Humanities, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. -- King of Hearts | (talk) 00:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

deviant art artists
I noticed some of the articles you're making on deviant art artists. I'm not very familiar with deviant art so a question for you is whether the artists should be listed by their real names (Brianna Garcia) or their nicknames (Bri-chan). Since I don't know the community I don't know whether their real names are recognizable, which is why I'm leaving the decision to you. WHichever you pick, a case can be made that there should be redirects. --Bachrach44 01:32, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I think its probably the nickname which is notable. the nickname receives more google hits than the real name -- Astrokey44 |talk 02:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Maps and Stuff
Hi, Thanks a lot for the barnstar. I was pretty happy with the animated map I did for the bushfire page, I just wish I had a bit more of a knack for graphic design, as they never look quite as good as I hoped they would. I can try doing seperate district maps with the other dirsticts greyed out, if you think they would be better. Might get a chance to have a go at them tonight. Of course many images are failing to load on wikipedi for me at the moment, nothing unusual there. --Martyman- (talk) 06:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I got the district maps done and uploaded. See User:Martyman/My Images/Maps/Canberra Districts. Are they what you where thinking of? Anyway I am off to bed as it is my first day back at work tomorrow, feel free to add them to the articles if you are happy with them. See ya. --Martyman- (talk) 11:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

The Hacker Test
What do you think of the hacker test?

COTW Project
You voted for Invasion, this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. -- King of Hearts | (talk) 18:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Deletion_review
An AfD you participated in is now at deletion review. - brenneman (t) (c)  23:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

third world
i'll participate, but i'm not clear on what the alternatives are right now. i still believe an option with flexible ("some think-some don't") maps and possibly multiple maps would be best. thanks for letting me know. Arre 03:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * aha, sorry, i hadn't read the whole debate. that's fine. btw, if you get some spare time after that, i think we could use your map making skills on Lebanese Civil War. :-) Arre 04:20, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

WS
Hi! Can you give your opinion about naming the flag of SADR page. Thank you and best regards. :) Daryou 19:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks :) .Daryou 23:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

date formats
G'day Astrokey,

properly-wikified dates always appear the way the user's settings would have them appear, regardless of how they're written in the code. I've got mine set to always appear "21 January 2006", for instance. As such, it doesn't matter how they're written in the code. I always revert changes to the date format or the spelling variant (e.g. colour -> color) on principle, unless the person making the change has a good reason. A good reason for mispelling "colour" as "color" might be that the article's about an American person, or that the article's being rewritten and the author feels more comfortable with his own variant (a bad reason would be "I didn't know colour was a real word", and I have seen it). A good reason for changing the date from "21 January 2006" to "January 21 2006" might be that there's already six dates in there, all using a different format, or, as above, the whole rewrite thing (a bad reason, which I've also seen, is "I like it better this way").

As for why I use yyyy-mm-dd when I'm writing, there's two reasons. One is that when I use dd-M-yyyy it's often edited by silly Americans, and the other is that I have a tendency to transpose digits and make other silly errors, and by using an unfamiliar date format to write I'm less likely to make a silly mistake because I've got to take more care. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 09:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the warm welcome. Jurrien 13:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Río de la Plata
If you think it should stay at Río de la Plata please help and vote for the option. :):):) Thanks! Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Washington
Your comments referred to an already-defeated move, and were sure (I thought) to provoke an angry response, so I removed them. I would strongly advise your own removal of them, but I'll leave the comments there in good faith. Matt Yeager 03:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * ok Ill remove the New York part since that doesnt relate to the Washington article. But I was referring to a different move than the one discussed: make Washington direct to the city, I thought the one that was discussed was to make it a disambig -- Astrokey44 |talk 04:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Teagames
The discussion on WP:DRV seemed pretty much unanimous so I undeleted this article. The article could probably do with some cleanup. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 08:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Brisbane
Hi Astrokey. Thank you for the extra work that you have done on your map of Brisbane CBD. I have now deleted the comment with regard to the Mall and the shopping centres on the Mall. Regards. Figaro 15:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Invasion - Peer review
Invasion has been submitted for peer review, and your help thus far has been valuable so I wanted to invite you take a look and make any suggestions you have on improving the article further. Thanks! Kafziel 14:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Sydney CBD
Hi, I want to use Image:Map of Sydney central bus district.PNG in the culture section of the Sydney article to show local attractions. I was hpoing that you'd be able to make a small alteration so that the museum in Hyde Park should be the Australian Museum. Could you also add centrepont tower? A north point and scale would also be useful for the reader. Thanks in advance. --nixie 22:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks again.--nixie 02:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Oregon boundary map
Great job on the map for the Oregon boundary dispute. Thanks for making it!

Would it be possible for you to make an adjustment? I think the map could be simplified a bit so that readers will better understand the dispute. Tak a look at this map, which shows an area labeled "disputed area". Your map has two colors for this area (light green and dark brown), which could be changed into one color. Likewise you have three colors for the United States (dark green, peach, and gray), which could be simplified into one color.

Also, have you checked out the map color suggestions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps? They've suggested map colors which are perhaps a little easier on the eyes than your colors. ;-) --Kevin Myers | (complaint dept.) 02:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick response! --Kevin Myers | (complaint dept.) 03:36, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sort of a regional history specialist for the Pacific Northwest; please see my notes on the Oregon map on the Requested Maps list and also on Kevin Myer's Talk page. I see the washington-edu map linked above also has the same failings as the other maps/map features I'm critical of as being non-POV.  There are a lot of assumptions about the history of the Oregon Dispute which Americans easily fall into; conversely because it is a British Columbian issue and therefore low on the priority of Canadian historians, it gets ignored from our side of the border as do most things to do with BC history; but there are some trenchant facts that have to be included, and without them the map and any articles it is used illustrate will not be non-POV.Skookum1 19:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Saw your note on my page and am responding here; just briefly I hope but it's been a bit since I got it so here goes with some preliminaries. There's textual things that have to be written as well but I don't ahve the time right now due to other commitments and life being what it is and all that; and needing to find all those cites etc. is time consuming. Basic thing is that historically the term Oregon Country is entirely American, at least from within the viewpoint of the British Empire, and of the Hudson's Bay Company, for whom it was the Columbia District. North of that, with a boundary roughly somewhere at Kamloops, was New Caledonia (the coastal Fort Simpson was part of the New Caledonia fur district. The Fort Langley establishment and its satellites were subordinate to the Columbia District, via Fort Douglas which once established also administered the north coastal forts; a precise boundary between "Columbia" and New Caledonia was never established, although it appears to at least be the line of the Thompson River in the Interior.  Kamloops was administered (I think) from Fort Vancouver (later from Fort Victoria).

So point is there should be that boundary shown - the two British administrative units (the HBC functioning as the British proxy-by-claim/monopoly in the region, even though it did not have outright ownership as it did east of the Rockies). Speaking of east of the Rockies, that's properly Rupert's Land, and "British North America" could be subtitled, as was the custom on old Canadian historical maps such as in were my textbooks in the '60s (most published in the '50s, no doubt). British North America was only a loose collective term for the collective of British colonies and the Company's half-continent trade monopoly, and the farflung Pacific Northwest collection of forts and small settlements; quite a disparate bunch and the term didn't become politically loaded until the movement towards Confederation later in the 1860s, such that "British North America Act" was the name of the Canadian constitution until 1982. Note that it was not the Canadas and Maritimes Act, or the Canada Act, but the British North America Act; the name was an inducement and a reminder to the Pacific colonies to join up, instead of resist union, despite the impossibilities of independence or continued colonial status. So anyway, your term "British North America" would also include "Disputed Territory" and the Orange Blob, which also is/was disputed territory from the British point of view.

I haven't dug up the cites for the sketch maps I had of the competing claims and their sequencing/evolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Oregon_boundary_dispute, but I know them well; most of the offerings were British propositions, or ones entertained at least by American negotiators (at the cost of a few good dinners and not a few bottles of good wine); there's an actual sequence of dates somewhere I read, but not in table form; maybe in the Akriggs' Chronicles. If you know the country, the boundary propositions were all quite logical; the 49th Parallel only seemed to be the most rational, certainly the easiest to survey (or NOT, actually); "the summit of this range", "the line of that river" and so on. It wasn't necessary to survey such lines, nor in those days very possible at all. The Line-of-the-Cascades boundary was secondarily important, if in an arcane way, as the head British military official in the colonies wanted to invade and re-take Puget Sound during the American Civil War. Douglas favoured this, but London turned it down anyway; all part of that Crane affair or whatever it's called with the blockade etc. In a real escalation of British action against the Union during that war any British success would have gained at least the line of the Columbia, and sought more if in outright victory, including everything south of the Columbia, or even the Snake. If the British had followed up Cook's and Vancouver's recommendations that the area be used for a transplantation colony (derailed because of that Napoleon guy) and so "we" would have been composed of all those fun types who wound up in Australia; Lord knows what living under the rain full-time would turn them into, though. Point here is that long before the Whitman Party showed up the British, if they listened to their captains' research, would have populated the country and the US would have been potentially shut off the Pacific entirely. That's a subject for soc.history.what-if and not here, but worth remembering when looking at the different POVs on this. The British presence was very real, but is always under-rated in American-written texts, despite the favourable image of McLoughlin common in US-published books (and not so much in Canadian ones, by the way; Simpson on the other hand is eulogized, Douglas nearly sainted).

Back to the map. A series of shadings might work; typically in old atlases they used diagonal colour bars, with finer grades for smaller areas and so forth. I've got an old version of this somewhere - hmm, where did I get that basemap from? - has all the smaller rivers that yours doesn't; although some boundary propositions were montane spines rather than rivers; such as that of the Cascades (the last-ditch British position until the 49th was treatied). The British were at one point ready to sacrifice the Kootenays - the Big Bend of the Columbia from its source and to the south of that - in a bid to keep the right bank of the Columbia to the sea; or that was Douglas' hope anyway; London didn't understand what they were signing away; if there was any hesitation it was because there was growing awareness of the timber and coal resourcesoof the Puget Sound, Georgia Strait and Queen Charlotte Strait, which were of stragetic value to the Royal Navy.

Items that should be on the map: Fort Victoria and its port Esquimalt (subtitle Royal Navy Base or RN base), Forts Kamloops and Colville and I'll have to give some thought as to which others (there were many across the north). Forts Langley, Nisqually and Puyallup definitely have to be on the map, and I think Fort Rupert.

The most important trade route is the route of annual Express from Fort Vancouver for Port Churchhill on Hudson's Bay, which ran up the Okanagan and across the Cariboo to Fort Saint James before heading down the Peace River to the Prairies; there was no equivalent overland route from the Canadas, i.e. a settlement route; what hadn't come via the Express route (HBC employees and their local offspring) was marine by nature - for most of the rest of the 19th Century, in fact. Canadians also like to see the "routes of the explorers"; in our region it's one propaganda tool to prove that "we" were around the area before "you" were; Alexander, Fraser, Thompson and of course your infidel Lewis and Clark and that pirate Captain Grey and all those wild-eyed catskinner types that haunted the country before the days of the Williamette settlement. The fur-co explorers' routes coincide with the important fur trade routes anyway, though, so no need to obsess over them as well I guess. The main routes which were the vital links within the area at the time of the introduction of the Oregon Trail should be given context (as it was only the newest way to get to the area, not the first), and the presence of the British infrastructure and the old pre-Oregon Trail routes, that should be shown. The caption to the map should also be The Oregon Country a.k.a. The Columbia District.

Cute little Union Jacks and Old Glories and miniature forts and so on might be fun to spiff it up with, maybe.

Anyway, I'll draft up some other important trail/trade routes from our end of things and post them here when I've done that; and also find those other basemaps that I colourized a bit, though not quite in this context but you'll get the idea. Gotta zzzzzzz.

Thanks for the map
Thanks for the map you've done for the Chew Valley Lake page, I hope all the issues raised on the peer review have been addressed & I'm thinking of putting it up for featured article. Rod 18:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Cayman Islands in BOT map
Thanks for pointing that out. I will update the map accordingly. Astrotrain 21:22, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Maps again
Hello again Astrokey! Last fall you said to let you know if I had any map requests. Well, now I do! Most of the articles that are compiled at Lists of unofficial regions by country could use a map for illustration, especially Traditional districts of Norway and other Subdivisions of Norden. Also, many articles about languages/dialects and stateless groups of people (e.g. Frisians, Copts or Mapuche) would be enhanced if a simple map were included for that quick visual/graphic reference and overview. I'd appreciate it if you would take a look at any one of these. A more comprehensive list of requested maps can be found at Category:Wikipedia requested maps. Thanks! =J //Big Adamsky 07:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Your newest maps
Gudday, Astro! I can see that you have made that thematic map for nuclear test sites that I put up a request for a while ago. It's excellent, in fact it's just the way I had envisioned it with dots whose diameter correlate to quantity. Keep 'em coming! :} //Big Adamsky 15:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Norway
The small regions in Norway are traditional and not always very precisely defined (cf. traditional regions of Québec. I think they probably correspond more or less to medieval pre-unification jurisdictions/spheres of power, known as "petty kingdoms", "clandoms" or "chiefdoms". However, for practical reasons it makes good sense to simply lump together the clusters of contemporary administrative divisions (municipalities and counties) as indicated on the WP articles. Some districts do overlap while other areas do not fit neatly into any traditional district. Btw, the term "district" in this context was a compromise translation that wikipedians came up with for this specific purpose, since "region" had already been taken (with the meaning larger groups of counties). "Region" or "province" would still be a better rendering in my opinion, though. Oh well. =] Take care! //Big Adamsky 08:21, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I've ben everywhere
Hi - the map is brilliant - many thanks. I will not have a chancetoday - but tomorrow I will give you the lat and long for the missing pllces Regards--A Y  Arktos 19:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Locations
I'll see what I can do. I can only remember maybe 1 or 2 locations from each book, but most (like the films) have several. I'll think about it and try to come up with a list. K1Bond007 20:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

map of municipalities of greenland
Great work with the Greenland maps! I was planning to do the same, but you got to do it first. Keep it up! User:Jensbn 11:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, they are very pleasant and clear in colours and layout! One suggestion, though: To remove the English translation of toponyms as they clutter up the narrow vertical surfaces on the image. Also, consider adding an extra striped layer to show the vastness of the largest national park in the world? :] //Big Adamsky 14:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

AfD on James Watkins and
A nominator made a very peculiar "joint nomination" of these two persons (perhaps because they are married to each other). However, each person has a very different purport to notability, and the deletions should be decided independently. It would be great if you could clarify on each AfD what your voting intent is. Thanks. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 19:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, your intent seems clear (unlike some voters), but I'd rather you made the edits rather than me presume them.

I strongly object to this comment remaining on this page. One of these articles has been deleted, and this comment should be deleted also because it no longer applies to both articles. I've removed the name of the deleted article, please do not edit it back in again. shelagh 13:53, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Invasion
I just want to let you know that Invasion which you voted for as a COTW is now being considered for a featured article. Leave your input at Featured article candidates/Invasion. RENTA FOR LET?  03:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Image:2006 Winter olympics team numbers.PNG
Your map, Image:2006 Winter olympics team numbers1.PNG, (a copy of Image:2006 Winter olympics team numbers.PNG from commons), is being used on 2006 Winter Olympics. Though, I can't figure out what the license is supposed to be? I assume it's just an oversight, that the license tag was omitted. Please update it or let me know what it's supposed to be. Thanks. --Aude ( talk | contribs ) 17:32, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Australia's Big Things
Cheers for the quick merge at Australia's Big Things and Big Banana. I have been wondering about what should be done with Australia's Big Things and List of World's Largest Roadside Attractions. Maybe make ABT a subpage of LoWLRA. Any ideas?

Thanks again. Blarneytherinosaur 03:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Great suggestion. ABT should definately continue, I just didn't see the point of duplicating it on LoWLRA. Thanks again. Blarneytherinosaur 23:20, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Your reversion
Was inaapropriate - you removed more than the source you objected to - please be more careful--A Y  Arktos 00:03, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Deletion comments
Hello Astrokey, please read the comments that accompany deletions -- and use them when you delete pages. There is a reason that comment area is required. Comments help explain why the deletion took place; in this case, I'm doing a history merge. +sj + 08:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

PNG Maps
Great work on the Maps of Rivers and other locations for PNG. Double thumbs up. Nomadtales 23:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I second that. Great job! Are you going to making maps for Western New Guinea as well? --Khoikhoi 23:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll let you know if I see a page that needs a map. --Khoikhoi 23:49, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Survivor bios on AFD
I generally agree on the non-notability of reality show contestants, but a few of these people seem to have genuine claims for non-Survivor notability. If you get a chance, could you take another look at them (particularly Hunter Ellis and Tammy Leitner)? -Colin Kimbrell 01:08, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

summer olympics map
Hi there, you've done some really great maps - just have a quick comment though... on your Summer Olympic Games map you've put 2010 down as the date for London when it should be 2012. If you still have your original from when you made the map then if you could change it that would be great. Also, you've put London as an orange dot (two games) but because you're including future ones too it seems slightly confusing. Maybe italicise future games? But I guess that just means it goes out of date more quickly so perhaps a different colour for cities that have hosted it three or more time? Sorry to be such a pain! Keep up the map-making! Iancaddy 02:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * And I've just noticed the following comment posted at the image's discussion page: Iancaddy 03:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi ! What about Alaska ? should be blue as the rest of USA, doesn't it ? :) --Pontauxchats 18:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for pointing that out.. and also welcome to wikipedia :) I have changed London to a red dot (which it actually was in a previous version that I just replaced today . Also fixed Alaska, 2012 and made the future dates italic. Regards, -- Astrokey44 |talk 04:31, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Catastrophic
It was catastrophic for the indigenous Australians as a people. They lost their lands and their autonomy, and the majority, one way of another, lost their lives. I doubt the fact that their descendents a century later would live in houses with electricity was much consolation. Adam 05:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Commonwealth Games map
Thank you very much for creating the Commonwealth Games map - it enhances the Commonwealth Games article greatly. Rhyddfrydol 20:16, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Salvation Army map
Would you consider creating a map showing the expansion worldwide of the Salvation Army? I will be creating a flags gallery on the Salvation Army page. Rhyddfrydol 20:19, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much - I am very pleased and impressed with the map you have created. Rhyddfrydol 17:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Chew Valley Lake FAC
Hi, I've resubmitted Chew Valley Lake as a featured article candidate, because it didn't receive enough support last time.

As you have edited this page in the past I wondered if you would be willing to visit and comment/support on the nomination? Rod 20:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Jordanhill
Thanks for the map, I've moved it to Commons. -- user:zanimum
 * What did you use for source data for this map? ed g2s &bull; talk 17:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, I used information mostly from . I was under the impression that the main data in a map like main roads and suburbs, which is the same as that used by other companies such as  could be used to make a map with a different design -- Astrokey44 |talk 20:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The map data is licensed from other companies at great cost, read here. ed g2s &bull; talk 09:23, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You should probably go through your other maps and add the correct license information, and remove them from the Commons where appropriate. I know it's a pain, but someone taking these images from here and using them for a commercial project could end up in trouble. ed g2s &bull; talk 19:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I dont think you can copyright data which is in common use - many different companies have made maps of the same thing, plus aerial photography etc. A company cant hold copyright over the basic data of a city where millions of people live. For instance I could probably draw from memory a map of my suburb and all those around me, and so could anyone else in whatever city it was. The thing thats copyright is the design of the map. What led to the court case as mentioned here was tiny details which were copied, so as long as youre using the main information with a new design surely its ok -- Astrokey44 |talk 22:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid not, map data can be copyrighted. If you acquire the data by yourself from memory / your own photos / a GPS machine, then that's fine. In the court case you mention, the small details were used as evidence that the rest of the map of the area had been copied. While it would make sense to say that geographic data can't be copyrighted, a reading that I take for the location of a crossroads will invariably be slightly different to a reading anyone else takes. ed g2s &bull; talk 12:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)